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Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« on: December 20, 2025, 10:20:39 am »
Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
A Plain-Language Explanation of What Happened to Food Prices, 2015–2025

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If you feel like your grocery bill quietly doubled while no one in charge ever gave a straight answer, you’re not imagining things.

From 2015 through the late 2010s, grocery prices moved slowly and predictably. After 2020, they didn’t. Prices surged, then dipped unevenly, before settling into a permanently higher range. And despite endless political talking points about “inflation coming down,” most grocery items never returned to anything close to their old prices.

This wasn’t corporate greed in isolation. It wasn’t one war, one virus, or one policy mistake. It was a pile-up of government decisions, monetary expansion, supply shocks, and structural fragility — all landing on the most basic thing people buy: food.

“From 2015 to 2019, grocery prices rose slowly. After 2020, they jumped — and most never went back.”

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2025, 10:30:53 am »
Well done and comprehensive. Discouraging, for good reasons.   
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2025, 10:47:21 am »
Well done and comprehensive. Discouraging, for good reasons.

You are right; not exactly encouraging, that's for sure.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2025, 11:07:19 am »
You are right; not exactly encouraging, that's for sure.

The bottom line is that we’re going to have to catch up to Biden’s destruction of the dollar.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2025, 11:24:33 am »
Prices rose because the government increased the supply of money (making dollars worth less).

Prices are not falling because government refuses to decrease the supply of money (which would make dollars worth more).

You want to fix this?  Then pay back every dollar that the federal government owes the Fed, and remove those dollars from circulation.  Permanently destroy them.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2025, 11:30:52 am »
Well, I was buying eggs for over $4 per dozen earlier this year.  Now under $2

How much are they selling for where you live?
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2025, 01:41:19 pm »
Finally crude and gas will start to fall, which I hope will help.

Wages I'm afraid are baked into the cake and that is a major roadblock, as is the constant money printing.

Then there's alot of asymmetric supply side stuff, like supposed pathogens in animal herds forcing them to be culled or not imported, China, govt reindeer games, or take your pick.

None of the solutions are particularly short termed.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2025, 01:56:32 pm »
Well, I was buying eggs for over $4 per dozen earlier this year.  Now under $2

How much are they selling for where you live?

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2025, 02:23:08 pm »
The bottom line is that we’re going to have to catch up to Biden’s destruction of the dollar.

It is disingenuous to hang it on Biden alone - Tumpy printed money with the best of em. And I would assert, still does, and still will.

This problem is endemic to big.gov - Not democrat vs. republican. Both. ALL.

The solution is , as always, way, way, way less government.
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2025, 02:54:29 pm »
Well, I was buying eggs for over $4 per dozen earlier this year.  Now under $2

How much are they selling for where you live?

Half my neighbors have chickens now ... (not kidding).
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2025, 03:01:20 pm »
It is disingenuous to hang it on Biden alone - Tumpy printed money with the best of em. And I would assert, still does, and still will.

This problem is endemic to big.gov - Not democrat vs. republican. Both. ALL.

The solution is , as always, way, way, way less government.
small.gov has little need to print money.

Tariffs are a factor too. I'm sorry but they just are. Maybe not as much is believed, sure. But they're a factor. Even indirect tariffs like things used by our farms will have an impact.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2025, 03:10:45 pm »
Tariffs are a factor too. I'm sorry but they just are. Maybe not as much is believed, sure. But they're a factor. Even indirect tariffs like things used by our farms will have an impact.

How are tariffs a factor?

There weren't any (or many) tariffs in place until this year, and prices increased to a level that has never come back down four years ago.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2025, 03:17:09 pm »
How are tariffs a factor?

There weren't any (or many) tariffs in place until this year, and prices increased to a level that has never come back down four years ago.

It's a tax that is paid by someone, and it's basic effect is to to raise prices. Idiotic to assume otherwise. This is like arguing with liberals that raising the minimum wage doesn't have a negative affect. Except it's out of your blind devotion to Trump. Thought our side was above the cult of personality.

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2025, 03:21:31 pm »
Tariffs are a factor too. I'm sorry but they just are. Maybe not as much is believed, sure. But they're a factor. Even indirect tariffs like things used by our farms will have an impact.

St. Louis Fed analysis for 2025 finds tariffs explain about 0.5 percentage points of headline PCE inflation (around 11% of recent annualized inflation). Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

That is less than a point total impact.

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2025, 03:26:00 pm »
Idiotic to assume otherwise.

Is it not equally idiotic for nations dependent on the US market for economic stability to NOT absorb the cost and maintain access to the world's greatest consumer's market?

There were many times when I made street-level decisions to absorb costs to keep an account, even if I had to lower my margins, to maintain the volume.

It's just business.
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2025, 03:29:59 pm »
Is it not equally idiotic for nations dependent on the US market for economic stability to NOT absorb the cost and maintain access to the world's greatest consumer's market?

There were many times when I made street-level decisions to absorb costs to keep an account, even if I had to lower my margins, to maintain the volume.

It's just business.

Right, just like employers will absorb the cost for higher minimum wages. Same argument.

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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2025, 03:39:38 pm »
It is disingenuous to hang it on Biden alone - Tumpy printed money with the best of em. And I would assert, still does, and still will.

This problem is endemic to big.gov - Not democrat vs. republican. Both. ALL.

The solution is , as always, way, way, way less government.
small.gov has little need to print money.
While I agree about the money supply, Biden was an egregious offender (or whoever was at the reins).
Consider every action taken by the Biden Administration to hamper the exploration for and production of Oil and Gas, as if batteries were going to replace the feedstock for fertilizer. Fuels jumped in price, and when you raise the cost of fuel, the cost of everything it is used to produce and transport goes up, too.

While that is only part of the problem, in the food chain, it intersects production (fuel, fertilizer) at tilling, planting, harvesting, transport, processing, transport, packaging, transport, and even when you go to the store or have it delivered. Add in panic disruptions due to this bug or that quality issue, and prices jump higher. Blame global warming if one must, but no rain means no fodder, and the herds will be cut as an adjustment by all but the most flush (farming is often done with thin reserves; many farmers take out 'production loans' to even get a crop planted or to buy heifers for breeding.

But where it really hurt is in the tremendous amount of fraud involved when Government starts throwing around a lot of money. Minnesota is just one place where it has been noted, and doubtless there are dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of other instances where money that was supposed to help people through tough times ended up diverted to the pockets of crooks and politicians and political entities which backed (naturally) even more fraud and the money to fund it.

Until the 'money supply' is reduced, as in paying down the debt, we will be in the unenviable position of having to pay incredible amounts of interest just to 'service' the debt. It's like having a large credit card balance and making the minimum payment: most of it goes to interest, only a little to pay down the actual amount owed--a rat trap, I thankfully escaped this past year--at the start of the year I was paying a couple hundred a month in interest, now I pay the bill in full each month and pay no interest. It took a bit of austerity to get there, but it's done.

With so many people out there heavily leveraged through credit card, auto loan, and mortgage debt and paying hundreds of dollars a month in interest (money they effectively lose, because all it buys them is time for their debt), Americans from the top to the bottom need to tighten their collective belt and reduce the amount they are in thrall to the banksters.

Keep in mind that my credit score is well over 800, so the interest rates I was paying are at the low end of the spectrum. The high end is nearly double per dollar owed per month, which would have made it much harder to pay off the five figure debt I retired.

Now consider trillions of debt, with 'money' floating around that never should have been borrowed, and the whole problem gets worse, especially when much of that money never went where it was supposedly going, and the money that did (EBT, Medicaid) only fueled higher prices in vital sectors that the rest of us had to pay on our own, even as we paid for the largesses (pun intended) shuffling down grocery store aisles and eating better than we could have dreamed of.

When we were kids, most poor folks were skinny. Now we have the fattest poor people in the world.
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2025, 03:41:07 pm »
Right, just like employers will absorb the cost for higher minimum wages. Same argument.

Facts. Not argument.

Tariffs impact on prices 0.05%
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2025, 03:45:16 pm »
Facts. Not argument.

Tariffs impact on prices 0.05%

So far. And Trump has rescinded some of the food tariffs remember. it could be way worse.

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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2025, 03:48:56 pm »
So far. And Trump has rescinded some of the food tariffs remember. it could be way worse.

Higher tariffs (before being rescinded) didn’t raise prices either.

Tariffs have impacted the economy by less than one half of one per cent YTD.

Nothing follows.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2025, 03:54:21 pm »
Higher tariffs (before being rescinded) didn’t raise prices either.

Tariffs have impacted the economy by less than one half of one per cent YTD.

Nothing follows.

 :shrug: It's a factor. I won't pretend to know which way the economy will go in the next few years, but 2028 will hinge on it. The tariffs are not popular is a fact as well, rightly or wrongly.

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2025, 03:55:52 pm »
It's a tax that is paid by someone, and it's basic effect is to to raise prices. Idiotic to assume otherwise. This is like arguing with liberals that raising the minimum wage doesn't have a negative affect. Except it's out of your blind devotion to Trump. Thought our side was above the cult of personality.
I have asked this question repeatedly on this forum, and not received an answer that is direct, so I will once again ask: How have the tariffs directly affected you?

You see, I don't buy a whole lot that comes from outside the US. No foreign vehicles, although I buy occasional parts for small engines (almost all made in China or the Far East), vehicle parts which often have foreign origins, but the dollar amount of those purchases remains low, so the actual increase is not noticeable. I don't drink imported beverages, with the exception of coffee beans which have crop production issues worldwide which account for the increase in cost (coffee, like orange juice or pork bellies or even oil is sold on bid--the traders set the price). I don't eat a lot of imported food--I even check canned mushrooms for nation of origin, partly because I don't trust much from China because of quality control.

Which brings up the quintessential question of whether any personal impact to you could be avoided by buying American products. It seems to me that with a few exceptions, purchasing something subject to a tariff is optional. But then, that is the idea: to make buying American Made goods more attractive, which would increase the revenue of domestic industry and possibly fuel expansion thereof, with jobs, etc. resulting from that, increased demands on limited domestic labor pools and higher wages--an adjustment to the lower value of the dollar on a broad scale. Foreign auto companies are investing in manufacturing plants here in the US, for instance, to build (at least assemble) vehicles here to evade the tariffs, which should increase the number of jobs in the manufacturing sector.

We can't leave AI out of the equation, either, as moronic machines are replacing moronic people in interface roles for customer service. It's just as bad (or even worse), but cheaper for the companies which do so, at least so far. Long term effects on the market remain unknown as the effect of being able to talk with a human being remains an intangible factor in sorting out problems that just don't fit into the voice menu and getting do-looped by the AI into serious frustration.

So, can you tell me just what sort of things you buy that tariffs have directly affected you?
I an genuinely curious, because compared to the other factors involved in increased prices, I'm not seeing it.
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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2025, 04:03:50 pm »
:shrug: It's a factor. I won't pretend to know which way the economy will go in the next few years, but 2028 will hinge on it. The tariffs are not popular is a fact as well, rightly or wrongly.

So, three years remain to either prove the policies wrong, or right, as well as three years to educate the voters and put $$$ in their pocket.

As @Bigun correctly pointed out, politicians have been messing around with the dollar for over 100 years. It may take more than 11 months for Trump to be in office to turn this bigass aircraft carrier around.

As for 2026, that is why and why the GOP exists.

I have some digging saved up that I did while putting info together for the 5-part series that assessed the options and why politicians opted for inflation in as a tool.

I’ll put that in some sort of readable order.
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2025, 04:06:42 pm »
I have asked this question repeatedly on this forum, and not received an answer that is direct, so I will once again ask: How have the tariffs directly affected you?

You see, I don't buy a whole lot that comes from outside the US. No foreign vehicles, although I buy occasional parts for small engines (almost all made in China or the Far East), vehicle parts which often have foreign origins, but the dollar amount of those purchases remains low, so the actual increase is not noticeable. I don't drink imported beverages, with the exception of coffee beans which have crop production issues worldwide which account for the increase in cost (coffee, like orange juice or pork bellies or even oil is sold on bid--the traders set the price). I don't eat a lot of imported food--I even check canned mushrooms for nation of origin, partly because I don't trust much from China because of quality control.

Which brings up the quintessential question of whether any personal impact to you could be avoided by buying American products. It seems to me that with a few exceptions, purchasing something subject to a tariff is optional. But then, that is the idea: to make buying American Made goods more attractive, which would increase the revenue of domestic industry and possibly fuel expansion thereof, with jobs, etc. resulting from that, increased demands on limited domestic labor pools and higher wages--an adjustment to the lower value of the dollar on a broad scale. Foreign auto companies are investing in manufacturing plants here in the US, for instance, to build (at least assemble) vehicles here to evade the tariffs, which should increase the number of jobs in the manufacturing sector.

We can't leave AI out of the equation, either, as moronic machines are replacing moronic people in interface roles for customer service. It's just as bad (or even worse), but cheaper for the companies which do so, at least so far. Long term effects on the market remain unknown as the effect of being able to talk with a human being remains an intangible factor in sorting out problems that just don't fit into the voice menu and getting do-looped by the AI into serious frustration.

So, can you tell me just what sort of things you buy that tariffs have directly affected you?
I an genuinely curious, because compared to the other factors involved in increased prices, I'm not seeing it.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2025, 04:16:16 pm »
Is it not equally idiotic for nations dependent on the US market for economic stability to NOT absorb the cost and maintain access to the world's greatest consumer's market?

There were many times when I made street-level decisions to absorb costs to keep an account, even if I had to lower my margins, to maintain the volume.

It's just business.

And as far as China's part, tariffs 1) compensate for the uncompetitive slave labor and 2) hinder their war machine.
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2025, 04:17:45 pm »
And as far as China's part, tariffs 1) compensate for the uncompetitive slave labor and 2) hinder their war machine.

Yes, those are Chinese tariffs. They are only one of the tariffs. Trump should have handled them better, maybe applied them to China only.

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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2025, 04:18:42 pm »
I have asked this question repeatedly on this forum, and not received an answer that is direct, so I will once again ask: How have the tariffs directly affected you?

You see, I don't buy a whole lot that comes from outside the US. No foreign vehicles, although I buy occasional parts for small engines (almost all made in China or the Far East), vehicle parts which often have foreign origins, but the dollar amount of those purchases remains low, so the actual increase is not noticeable. I don't drink imported beverages, with the exception of coffee beans which have crop production issues worldwide which account for the increase in cost (coffee, like orange juice or pork bellies or even oil is sold on bid--the traders set the price). I don't eat a lot of imported food--I even check canned mushrooms for nation of origin, partly because I don't trust much from China because of quality control.

Which brings up the quintessential question of whether any personal impact to you could be avoided by buying American products. It seems to me that with a few exceptions, purchasing something subject to a tariff is optional. But then, that is the idea: to make buying American Made goods more attractive, which would increase the revenue of domestic industry and possibly fuel expansion thereof, with jobs, etc. resulting from that, increased demands on limited domestic labor pools and higher wages--an adjustment to the lower value of the dollar on a broad scale. Foreign auto companies are investing in manufacturing plants here in the US, for instance, to build (at least assemble) vehicles here to evade the tariffs, which should increase the number of jobs in the manufacturing sector.

We can't leave AI out of the equation, either, as moronic machines are replacing moronic people in interface roles for customer service. It's just as bad (or even worse), but cheaper for the companies which do so, at least so far. Long term effects on the market remain unknown as the effect of being able to talk with a human being remains an intangible factor in sorting out problems that just don't fit into the voice menu and getting do-looped by the AI into serious frustration.

So, can you tell me just what sort of things you buy that tariffs have directly affected you?
I an genuinely curious, because compared to the other factors involved in increased prices, I'm not seeing it.

Tariffs affect every single person who consumes just about anything, either directly or indirectly.

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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2025, 04:23:49 pm »
Tariffs affect every single person who consumes just about anything, either directly or indirectly.

Except they haven't really showed up in the numbers, as posted in the above data.

They've affect those nations that haven't chose to raise prices, but that's it so far.

Rising costs don't necessarily mean higher prices for consumers.
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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2025, 04:51:22 pm »
Tariffs affect every single person who consumes just about anything, either directly or indirectly.
Still looking for specific examples of tariff induced pain.
Again.
(If you want a universal pain inducer, it was fuel prices under Biden. Those have come down significantly since, unless your State/local governments have kept them up through taxation or policy. Fuel prices literally affect the cost of everything, tariffs, not so much, unless you only get everything from overseas.)

Where have the tariffs hurt you?
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2025, 05:02:25 pm »
Tariffs are a factor too. I'm sorry but they just are. Maybe not as much is believed, sure. But they're a factor. Even indirect tariffs like things used by our farms will have an impact.

A great impact! You're absolutely right.

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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2025, 05:06:03 pm »
Still looking for specific examples of tariff induced pain.
Again.
(If you want a universal pain inducer, it was fuel prices under Biden. Those have come down significantly since, unless your State/local governments have kept them up through taxation or policy. Fuel prices literally affect the cost of everything, tariffs, not so much, unless you only get everything from overseas.)

Where have the tariffs hurt you?

Well, high costs do absolutely personally affect me: food, fuel, medicine, electronics. Tariffs are a small part of the high costs for some of those items. Food costs are definitely hurting our family for example. I guess we'll see what happens in the next few years.

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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2025, 05:19:43 pm »
While I agree about the money supply, Biden was an egregious offender (or whoever was at the reins).


I agree with everything you wrote. But yours is a subjective argument - Because Tumpy's last administration was well past egregious too. Now we're arguing about which is more egregious, rather than being incensed that we must put up with egregiousness *at all*, from ANY of em...

At some point, I stop giving a shit about pointy fingers toward the other side. My butt is sore because ALL of em have their fingers in my wallet. ALL of em are at fault.  Every last one of them sombiches need a trip to the woodshed, at the very least.

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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2025, 05:21:22 pm »
Well, high costs do absolutely personally affect me: food, fuel, medicine, electronics. Tariffs are a small part of the high costs for some of those items. Food costs are definitely hurting our family for example. I guess we'll see what happens in the next few years.
Okay, I work in the oil industry. I'm not seeing where fuel is subject to tariffs.

High oil prices under Biden (including fuels) have affected the rest of the markets except electronics, and even then, shipping costs are still up. But tariffs aren't a big factor as we produce most of what we use. Past policy hurt us all there, and that happened before Trump took office.

That leaves electronics. I can buy a bigger, smarter, television for less than I paid for the 42 inch I have used for years now. Still not feeling pain.

And, as I said, if you look at supply chain factors, fuel is a big driver in grocery costs (production, transportation), but that factor came before tariffs, and should be easing because fuel prices have dropped considerably in most places not run by idiots. Your State may have enacted polices which affect you that I'm just not seeing here.  You have given me generalities, I'm still looking for specific products.
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2025, 05:33:44 pm »
Still looking for specific examples of tariff induced pain.
Again.
(If you want a universal pain inducer, it was fuel prices under Biden. Those have come down significantly since, unless your State/local governments have kept them up through taxation or policy. Fuel prices literally affect the cost of everything, tariffs, not so much, unless you only get everything from overseas.)

Where have the tariffs hurt you?

One example; the cost of Hallmark ornaments.  The Hallmark "Dream Book" (catalog) came out and the prices were already printed.  A few months before their June "Premiere" when ornaments are available to members, we received a letter from Hallmark with price increases for each ornament.  Their reasoning was because of tariffs. The letter specifically stated tariffs.

It was quite a deception IMO on their part because also in the letter it stated that most of the ornaments are made in Kansas City, Kansas.  So -- if indeed they are made in KCK, then why are they impacted by tariffs.  Manufacturing of the ornaments abroad and shipping costs would be my guess. 

Though I do understand that not many collect or purchase Hallmark ornaments anymore -- I am a collector and yes, I was affected by tariffs.  I realize that this example is limited to a very small sector

I have been collecting since 1993, so I have a rather extensive collection.  I did cut back on the amount of ornaments I purchased because of the price increases  due to tariffs.
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2025, 05:37:04 pm »
:shrug: It's a factor. I won't pretend to know which way the economy will go in the next few years, but 2028 will hinge on it. The tariffs are not popular is a fact as well, rightly or wrongly.

That's because the biggest factor of all is our lying, complicit, main stream media spreading the commie line 24/7/365.
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2025, 05:45:06 pm »
A great impact! You're absolutely right.

It is impossible for a tariff to affect the price of anything not from a foreign source.
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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2025, 05:46:28 pm »
That's because the biggest factor of all is our lying, complicit, main stream media spreading the commie line 24/7/365.

Do I really need to post all the videos of Milton Friedman explaining why tariffs are bad?

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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2025, 05:47:30 pm »
It is impossible for a tariff to affect the price of anything not from a foreign source.

Completely false, tariffs remove the downward pressure on prices that imports have.

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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2025, 05:54:25 pm »
Still looking for specific examples of tariff induced pain.
Again.
(If you want a universal pain inducer, it was fuel prices under Biden. Those have come down significantly since, unless your State/local governments have kept them up through taxation or policy. Fuel prices literally affect the cost of everything, tariffs, not so much, unless you only get everything from overseas.)

Where have the tariffs hurt you?

Parts, parts, Parts, PArts, PARts, PARTs, PARTS, FRIGGIN PARTS!

Everything made over there is cost in tariffs to things made over here.

Try and get parts. Automotive. Electronics. Smalls. Appliances. It doesn't matter. Any and all of em fraught with massive delays, IF the part is available at all. Those are the SAME parts used in manufacturing, Whether here or over there. Which means manufacturers can't get em any more than I can.

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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2025, 05:57:00 pm »
Do I really need to post all the videos of Milton Friedman explaining why tariffs are bad?

No! I've seen them already. Friedman is correct IF we had all our other ducks in a row but we definitely DO NOT!
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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2025, 05:57:48 pm »
Completely false, tariffs remove the downward pressure on prices that imports have.

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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2025, 05:59:26 pm »
Parts, parts, Parts, PArts, PARts, PARTs, PARTS, FRIGGIN PARTS!

Everything made over there is cost in tariffs to things made over here.

Try and get parts. Automotive. Electronics. Smalls. Appliances. It doesn't matter. Any and all of em fraught with massive delays, IF the part is available at all. Those are the SAME parts used in manufacturing, Whether here or over there. Which means manufacturers can't get em any more than I can.

YOU are talking about symptoms rather than the disease and you aren't the only one!
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2025, 06:24:01 pm »
Parts, parts, Parts, PArts, PARts, PARTs, PARTS, FRIGGIN PARTS!

Everything made over there is cost in tariffs to things made over here.

Try and get parts. Automotive. Electronics. Smalls. Appliances. It doesn't matter. Any and all of em fraught with massive delays, IF the part is available at all. Those are the SAME parts used in manufacturing, Whether here or over there. Which means manufacturers can't get em any more than I can.
What? People actually fix things?  :whistle: :laugh:

I really haven't had much trouble, personally. Yeah, it took a few days extra for me to get my new carb for the snowblower; twenty bucks with shipping, direct from China (customs check). A new snowblower would have been nearly (or just into) 4 figures. I'm not sure how much of the $20 was tariff.
As  for automotive parts, I have three vehicles from the same model block, so I bought parts a few years ago, anticipating the need. If I have to, one vehicle can be a donor. That leaves the Dodge ('87) and N.O.S. or salvaged parts for the big stuff.

I get if you are doing a lot of electronics (which I know you do), because not much of that is made here.

I also understand that part of the tariff strategy is to keep the prices higher/stable so they hopefully will be made here, but that problem is every bit as much regulatory, which has contributed to the expense of domestic production, coupled with uncertainty about foreign sources dumping on the US market to kill competition. We will need some stability in our government vis-a-vis environmental regulations or nothing will help.

So, point taken, some parts are more expensive.
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2025, 06:41:02 pm »
YOU are talking about symptoms rather than the disease and you aren't the only one!

No, I am not! This is not a symptom. Tariffs are directly imposed. Purposefully enacted. It doesn't have to be that way.

And to be in favor of it is sheer lunacy.

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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2025, 06:43:44 pm »
Parts, parts, Parts, PArts, PARts, PARTs, PARTS, FRIGGIN PARTS!

Everything made over there is cost in tariffs to things made over here.

Try and get parts. Automotive. Electronics. Smalls. Appliances. It doesn't matter. Any and all of em fraught with massive delays, IF the part is available at all. Those are the SAME parts used in manufacturing, Whether here or over there. Which means manufacturers can't get em any more than I can.

Parts to build homes and autos?  Skyrocketing prices on both.  Due to tariffs?? Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2025, 06:47:13 pm »
I also understand that part of the tariff strategy is to keep the prices higher/stable so they hopefully will be made here, but that problem is every bit as much regulatory, which has contributed to the expense of domestic production, coupled with uncertainty about foreign sources dumping on the US market to kill competition. We will need some stability in our government vis-a-vis environmental regulations or nothing will help.

So, point taken, some parts are more expensive.

That's pretty close. Capturing market, or attempting to, by force, without fixing the problems in our economy that drove all that business offshore in the first place. It's like California's exit tax... Stupid.

And it ain't gonna work.
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2025, 06:50:41 pm »
Parts to build homes and autos?  Skyrocketing prices on both.  Due to tariffs?? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Homes, autos, blenders, toasters... It don't matter where you look. ALL of it has huge wait times, huge shipping costs. You pay through the nose and get to wait weeks and weeks.

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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2025, 06:52:16 pm »
It is impossible for a tariff to affect the price of anything not from a foreign source.

A tariff can affect the price of a domestic good by reducing competitive pricing.   Not that this what is happening now.  Tariffs force foreign producers to become even more competitive while making domestic producers complacent and lazy.  Autos and steel are two examples.
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2025, 06:54:14 pm »
Tariffs are not inflationary.  A price increase in one area will lead to lower demand.
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Re: Why Grocery Prices Rose — And Why They Didn’t Come Back Down
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2025, 06:54:57 pm »
Homes, autos, blenders, toasters... It don't matter where you look. ALL of it has huge wait times, huge shipping costs. You pay through the nose and get to wait weeks and weeks.

If you look back, paying additional shipping costs and long wait times started during the pandemic though.

Trump is trying to equalize the cost of tariffs so that the U.S. doesn't continue to get the short end of the stick.
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