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Polish PM says it would be 'good to know' who wrote the plan to end war in Ukrainehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/nov/23/ukrainian-us-emergency-talks-plan-war-russia-liveThere have been lots of conflicting reports about who wrote the 28-point plan to end the war in Ukraine, which is widely seen to favour Russia as it endorses some of Moscow’s key maximalist positions.
A group of US senators say they were told by Marco Rubio that the plan is in fact not an American proposal and did not reflect Washington’s official position, claims heavily disputed by the US state department.
The senators claim that the secretary of state told them it was a Russian plan leaked by a representative from Moscow that the US had agreed to pass along to Ukraine to consider and then respond to.
“Secretary Rubio made a phone call to us this afternoon. I think he made it very clear to us that we are the recipients of a proposal that was delivered to one of our representatives. It is not our recommendation, it is not our peace plan. It is a proposal that was received,” Republican senator Mike Rounds, who sits on the Senate intelligence committee, was quoted as having said on Saturday.
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The plan, which endorsed some of Russia’s key demands, emerged after Russian envoy Kirill Dmitriev reportedly spent three days with his American counterpart Steve Witkoff in Miami.
Dmitriev is a key Putin ally and head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, one of Russia’s largest sovereign wealth funds.
Witkoff and US secretary of state Marco Rubio had been “quietly” working on the plan with both Russia and Ukraine for around a month, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters on Thursday. Rubio says the plan was “authored by the US”.
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The plan is Witkoff's and Dmitriev's, and Dmitriev leaked it, leaving Rubio twisting in the wind. Weasel words all overt the place, and Leavitt has no crediblity on this this thing.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/20/us-news/senior-us-officials-confirm-details-of-28-point-plan-to-end-ukraine-war/Senior US officials believe Dmitriev leaked the plan to Axios as a way to put their “their POV out there first [because] it seemed like they were winning,” one of the officials said. “This is just a tit for tat. Always has been.”
Witkoff appeared to have surmised the same in a quickly deleted post to X in response to the article Tuesday night.
“He must have got this from K,” Witkoff wrote of the Axios author, Barak Ravid — apparently meaning to send it as a DM referring to Dmitriev by his first initial.
To be fair, "K" is probably Kellogg instead of Dmitriev.
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