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Massachusetts Lawmakers to Weigh Bill Opening up Gun Makers to Lawsuits

AWR Hawkins 2 Nov 2025

Massachusetts lawmakers will get the opportunity to consider a bill opening up firearm makers, distributers, and sellers, to lawsuits over the criminal misuse of guns.

The Boston Herald reported the bill places so-called “reasonable controls” on above-mentioned members of the firearms industry, including a mandate “to follow safeguards and business practices that backers say are designed to prevent the sale or distribution of guns to people prohibited from possession under state or federal law or individuals deemed to pose a ‘substantial risk’ of harming themselves or someone else.”

Firearms makers, distributors, and sellers would also have “to ensure that firearms aren’t designed, sold and advertised, to promote the conversion of legal products into illegal products, or in a way that targets minors or individuals prohibited from possessing guns.”

The legislation is being pushed by gun control groups while gun makers, distributors, and sellers, contend they ought not be held liable for criminal misuse of legally made and legally sold products.

The Fall River Reporter quoted Everytown Policy Counsel Elisabeth Ryan dismissing gun makers’ concerns, saying, “Basically, the argument has always been, ‘Well, we’re not responsible for the criminal. When somebody else takes a gun and uses it criminally, that has nothing to do with us.’ And this…[legislation] is saying, ‘No, it does have something to do with you, because if you contribute to getting it there unlawfully, then you can be held responsible for that.’”

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2025/11/02/massachusetts-lawmakers-to-weigh-bill-opening-up-gun-makers-to-lawsuits/
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Re: Massachusetts Lawmakers to Weigh Bill Opening up Gun Makers to Lawsuits
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2025, 02:36:24 pm »
While you're at it, how about making spoon makers liable for obesity or car manufacturers liable for DUIs? How about the guy at the elevator who sold the seed that was grown into the grain to make the whiskey that led to the driver getting sloshed and killing a few folks?

There really is no limit to the possibilities for the legal feeding frenzy that could come from such precedent.
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Re: Massachusetts Lawmakers to Weigh Bill Opening up Gun Makers to Lawsuits
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2025, 03:32:12 pm »
Lawyers and lawmakers unite for a feeding fest on our rights using false reasoning.

How about being able to string-up (bypassing the lawyers) liberal politicians that were exposed to government buildings causing their brains to grow commie mold. Heck, throw in the lawyers too.

*Throwing in a "/s" (sarcasm) tag now before they come knocking at my door without a warrant.
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Re: Massachusetts Lawmakers to Weigh Bill Opening up Gun Makers to Lawsuits
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2025, 04:33:43 pm »
It's Massachusetts.
That means...
... done deal.

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Re: Massachusetts Lawmakers to Weigh Bill Opening up Gun Makers to Lawsuits
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2025, 08:11:27 pm »
Massachusetts, the home of Smith & Wesson
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Re: Massachusetts Lawmakers to Weigh Bill Opening up Gun Makers to Lawsuits
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2025, 08:24:56 pm »
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designed to prevent the sale or distribution of guns to ...  individuals deemed to pose a ‘substantial risk’ of harming themselves or someone else.
S&W makes pistols. S&W sells some of those pistols to Joe's Gun Shop. Six months later, Ziggy goes to Joe's store, passes a background check, and buys a S&W 9mm pistol. A year later, Ziggy gets irate at his neighbor for letting his dog defecate on Ziggy's lawn. Ziggy fires said S&W 9mm pistol in the direction of the neighbor's house, taking out a bird feeder in the process.

Should S&W have known months, if not years, in advance that hot-tempered Ziggy - specifically - might purchase one of its weapons and eventually use it in a way that might post a risk of harm to someone? I don't quite understand what sort of mind reading the state is expecting of a gun manufacturer.

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S&W makes pistols. S&W sells some of those pistols to Joe's Gun Shop. Six months later, Ziggy goes to Joe's store, passes a background check, and buys a S&W 9mm pistol. A year later, Ziggy gets irate at his neighbor for letting his dog defecate on Ziggy's lawn. Ziggy fires said S&W 9mm pistol in the direction of the neighbor's house, taking out a bird feeder in the process.

Should S&W have known months, if not years, in advance that hot-tempered Ziggy - specifically - might purchase one of its weapons and eventually use it in a way that might post a risk of harm to someone? I don't quite understand what sort of mind reading the state is expecting of a gun manufacturer.

Okay Paul Harvey time...p.2:


Ziggy, mortified at his loss of control, sells the pistol to Jose, who lives in a rough part of town and does landscaping work for Ziggy.

While Jose is out one day trimming hedges and clipping roses, some people break into Jose's house and steal, among other things, the pistol Jose bought from Ziggy.

That pistol and other stuff is sold on the sly to parties unknown until one of them uses the pistol, with malice aforethought, to remove from this earthly existence a person who represents a competing concern who is not just infringing on a 'claimed service area', but making overtures toward the unknown buyer's sister/girlfriend/mother/grandma.

TPFOBZ (The Pistol Formerly Owned by Ziggy) is recovered and tied to the crime despite attempts to remove serial numbers, etc.

Of course it makes sense for S&W to be sued by not only the Government, but all the family, friends. and associates of the person perforated by the still unknown wielder of TPFOBZ.

Naturally, the chain of custody should have been anticipated in full by the folks at S&W, just as John Deere should have known that the tractor they made would be used to pull the plow that was used to plant the grain that would be sold to the distillery and made into whiskey and consumed by the person who got drunk and ran their F-150 (yeah, Ford is on the hook, too)  into another vehicle and killed some people.

The premise is ridiculous.
The question is one of whether Massachusetts really is that stupid.
The onus for misuse of any product belongs with the person using it unless the product malfunctioned.


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Sounds like Massachusetts officials have been watching too many episodes of "Law and Order," where the self-righteous prosecutor went after evil corporations with greater zeal than he pursued the thugs who actually pulled the trigger.

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'Elisabeth Ryan dismissing gun makers’ concerns', welcome to life under the Matriarchy.

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Massachusetts' elected solons do not wish to have to blame the people who actually commit crimes if they also tend to vote for Democrats.

So you can appreciate their conundrum.
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