Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]

[Right_in_Virginia]

, How does one make "the Palestinian people" thrive when their biggest contribution to the world is the cellphone bomb?

According to Witkoff and Kushner you identify common interests and build on those.  War weary is a common interest. Being heard is a common interest. Safety and security, especially for your children, is a common interest.  Commerce and prosperity is a common interest.

[txradioguy]

Just how does one "integrate" people that are raised and taught in every mosque that killing Jews is their religions duty? How does one make "the Palestinian people" thrive when their biggest contribution to the world is the cellphone bomb?

The Pali's don't want to integrate...they don't want a two state solution...that's just window dressing for their true intentions and desires.

All they have ever served as and will continue to serve as...is useful idiots and cannon fodder for the Arab League.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Hamas lives to kill Jews another day.
Hamas ain't leaving.
Hamas ain't disarming.
Hamas is killing its opponents.
Hamas is consolidating power.
Hamas got its imprisoned 'soldiers' back.
Hamas' human shields are returning.

The Trump Gaza Peace hopium is pre-mature and unwarranted.

The plan is not to leave Hamas in power in Gaza @DefiantMassRINO  They will be replaced by the ISF.  The negotiators are working on this ... but do need to pick up the pace.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Hamas lives to kill Jews another day.
Hamas ain't leaving.
Hamas ain't disarming.
Hamas is killing its opponents.
Hamas is consolidating power.
Hamas got its imprisoned 'soldiers' back.
Hamas' human shields are returning.

The Trump Gaza Peace hopium is pre-mature and unwarranted.

I'll continue to hope you're wrong. 

[libertybele]

   


ICYMI, (I did...) here's yesterday's 60 minute interview with Witkoff and Kushner.  Two versions are included, the 15 minute version I assume aired and the longer extended interview from 60 Minutes Overtime.

It's interesting to hear their own words synched with their expressions.  What's clear is these men are outside the box ...

Click on the link of your choice below:

Short version:  https://youtu.be/iwy3lKuLTCA?si=FcJUIZqpx5oNwso4

Long version:  https://youtu.be/dNa6PcU1Ke0?si=qv1x8D88K3yNRxq1

(Long version is worth the time, if you've got it)

@catfish1957  @DCPatriot  @Lando Lincoln  @libertybele  @Timber Rattler  @Widget Jr   ( and those I forgot to cc    )

@Right_in_Virginia I watched a portion of the long version -- I closely watched the facial expressions of Kushner -- he has a very deadpan look while he is conversing and answering questions which makes him very difficult to read.

Regardless of accomplishments that he has been praised for in the past Trump administration, I still don't trust him because of his past affiliations (including being a slum lord) real estate dealings with the Saudis, and his association especially with Soros.

Again, he has no position in this administration other than Trump giving him a very broad green light.  One that I believe is going to eventually bite him and us in the rear.

[libertybele]

Hamas lives to kill Jews another day.
Hamas ain't leaving.
Hamas ain't disarming.
Hamas is killing its opponents.
Hamas is consolidating power.
Hamas got its imprisoned 'soldiers' back.
Hamas' human shields are returning.

The Trump Gaza Peace hopium is pre-mature and unwarranted.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia I watched a portion of the long version -- I closely watched the facial expressions of Kushner -- he has a very deadpan look while he is conversing and answering questions which makes him very difficult to read.

Regardless of accomplishments that he has been praised for in the past Trump administration, I still don't trust him because of his past affiliations (including being a slum lord) real estate dealings with the Saudis, and his association especially with Soros.

Again, he has no position in this administration other than Trump giving him a very broad green light.  One that I believe is going to eventually bite him and us in the rear.

I don't know @libertybele --- but this was the longest I've heard Jared speak and he appeared sincere --- in wanting a lasting peace, fair to both sides. 

And, I thought I saw genuine emotion from him when he spoke of the Israeli hostages and their two years of horror and all the suffering by Gazan Palestinians through "no fault of their own" ----  (Keep in mind, Kushner's working outside the status quo box)

I don't know enough about Jared's real estate dealings to comment on them.  But, part of me thinks if he was as dastardly as you suspect, he would have at least been indicted before the end of Trump's first term.  But, in the end, I just don't know.

In the meantime, I continue to wish the negotiators Godspeed and much success.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump says ‘rebels’ staged deadly attack on IDF troops in Gaza, echoing Hamas claim
Times of Israel, Oct 20, 2025

US President Donald Trump suggested on Sunday that the Hamas leadership was not involved in a deadly attack against IDF troops in the southern Gaza Strip, blaming it instead on “some rebels within.”

The Israel Defense Forces directly blamed Hamas for the attack, but Trump’s comment appeared to echo the assertion by the terror group that the incident occurred in an area under Israeli control, where they claim to have had no contact with their operatives for months.

“As you know, they’ve been quite rambunctious. They’ve been doing some shooting, and we think maybe the leadership isn’t involved in that,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One.

We want to make sure that it’s going to be very peaceful with Hamas,” he added. “It’s going to be handled toughly, but properly.”

The military carried out strikes against 20 targets in Gaza, which the Hamas-run civil defense agency said killed 45 people, although the figures could not be verified and did not differentiate between civilians and combatants.

Trump told the reporters he did not know whether the Israeli strikes were justified. “I’d have to get back to you on that,” he said.


More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-says-rebels-staged-deadly-attack-on-idf-troops-in-gaza-echoing-hamas-claim/ 

[berdie]

I can see where that might be true.

But the fact of the matter is that according to the agreement...Hamas is supposed to disarm and relocate. It doesn't require further negotiations. That's what was agreed.

[Hoodat]

FWIW, another POV …....  Israel, too, through the years, including recently, has been the source of delay tactics @libertybele

Another POV that was written fifteen days ago.  I think we've moved way past this.  Bottom line:  Hamas has a pathway to peace set before it - a pathway it consistently rejects.  Hamas is the warmonger here.  It is written in their charter.

[Kamaji]

Another POV that was written fifteen days ago.  I think we've moved way past this.  Bottom line:  Hamas has a pathway to peace set before it - a pathway it consistently rejects.  Hamas is the warmonger here.  It is written in their charter.

[Hoodat]

But the fact of the matter is that according to the agreement...Hamas is supposed to disarm and relocate. It doesn't require further negotiations. That's what was agreed.

To be fair, Hamas never agreed to disarm or to disqualify itself from the Gazan political arena.  They never had any intention of doing either, which was easily discernable by actually listening to what they said.  Hamas rejects any Jewish State.  Hamas has but one vehicle for extending its power - jihad.  And Hamas will never under any circumstances negotiate away any of its stated goals.  Which is why we should have let Israel finish the job.

The release of the 20 hostages bought Hamas the room they needed to regroup and consolidate power within the area they control, and possibly reap a windfall of supply aid that they can exploit for more weapons.  But Hamas has no intention of abiding by these terms.

[Cyber Liberty]

To be fair, Hamas never agreed to disarm or to disqualify itself from the Gazan political arena.  They never had any intention of doing either, which was easily discernable by actually listening to what they said.  Hamas rejects any Jewish State.  Hamas has but one vehicle for extending its power - jihad.  And Hamas will never under any circumstances negotiate away any of its stated goals.  Which is why we should have let Israel finish the job.

The release of the 20 hostages bought Hamas the room they needed to regroup and consolidate power within the area they control, and possibly reap a windfall of supply aid that they can exploit for more weapons.  But Hamas has no intention of abiding by these terms.

Yet Netanyahu is the bad guy. 

[Hoodat]

According to Witkoff and Kushner you identify common interests and build on those.  War weary is a common interest. Being heard is a common interest. Safety and security, especially for your children, is a common interest.  Commerce and prosperity is a common interest.

All four points here are false.  Hamas may be weary of getting their asses kicked, but they will never grow weary of war.  It's in their charter.  It's why they exist.  Hamas doesn't care if they are heard either.  Their only interest is to spread lies in order to sway world opinion against the Jews.  And safety and security?  What a joke, especially when it comes to children since they regularly use them as human shields as they launch their attacks against the Jews.  Note how they use schools as launching pads for missiles.  And finally commerce and prosperity are an anathema to their theocratic control over the people of Gaza.  Poor people living in refugee camps for three-quarters of a century looks great on propaganda posters decrying phantom 'Jewish occupation'.  There's no way they would ever let commerce and prosperity come in and ruin that.

And how do we know?  This peace agreement guarantees all four of these outcomes.  Yet Hamas continues to reject it because these four items go against their interests.

[Hoodat]

Here's what Hamas thinks of Gaza's children:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1957720040519922008


And what Hamas thinks of Israeli children:

Bodies of four Israeli hostages handed over by Hamas - as parading of coffins labelled 'inhumane'
 

[Cyber Liberty]

Here's what Hamas thinks of Gaza's children:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1957720040519922008


And what Hamas thinks of Israeli children:

Bodies of four Israeli hostages handed over by Hamas - as parading of coffins labelled 'inhumane'
 

And we have a poster constantly defending these animals.

[libertybele]

I don't know @libertybele --- but this was the longest I've heard Jared speak and he appeared sincere --- in wanting a lasting peace, fair to both sides. 

And, I thought I saw genuine emotion from him when he spoke of the Israeli hostages and their two years of horror and all the suffering by Gazan Palestinians through "no fault of their own" ----  (Keep in mind, Kushner's working outside the status quo box)

I don't know enough about Jared's real estate dealings to comment on them.  But, part of me thinks if he was as dastardly as you suspect, he would have at least been indicted before the end of Trump's first term.  But, in the end, I just don't know.

In the meantime, I continue to wish the negotiators Godspeed and much success.

@Right_in_Virginia In all fairness, I'll have to watch the entire video.    IMHO Jared wasn't indicted because he's a leftist -- and Ivanka even more so.

However, Trump expects and respects loyalty and so far Jared's loyalty to the Trump family has been true (at least it seems so on the surface anyways). Yes Jared is very clever and carefully calculates his moves -- I just don't trust him and I never will.

[libertybele]

All four points here are false.  Hamas may be weary of getting their asses kicked, but they will never grow weary of war.  It's in their charter.  It's why they exist.  Hamas doesn't care if they are heard either.  Their only interest is to spread lies in order to sway world opinion against the Jews.  And safety and security?  What a joke, especially when it comes to children since they regularly use them as human shields as they launch their attacks against the Jews.  Note how they use schools as launching pads for missiles.  And finally commerce and prosperity are an anathema to their theocratic control over the people of Gaza.  Poor people living in refugee camps for three-quarters of a century looks great on propaganda posters decrying phantom 'Jewish occupation'.  There's no way they would ever let commerce and prosperity come in and ruin that.

And how do we know?  This peace agreement guarantees all four of these outcomes.  Yet Hamas continues to reject it because these four items go against their interests.

Very well stated and I completely agree.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I can see where that might be true.

But the fact of the matter is that according to the agreement...Hamas is supposed to disarm and relocate. It doesn't require further negotiations. That's what was agreed.

Yes, the agreement includes the disarmament of Hamas, but (again) not the process @berdie   Point 6 addresses the individual Hamas member, Point 13 addresses the "state" military.   Each point presents an outcome, neither point presents the process.  The process for each is being finalized.

6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt.

There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors.

New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70155nked7o

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia In all fairness, I'll have to watch the entire video.    IMHO Jared wasn't indicted because he's a leftist -- and Ivanka even more so.

However, Trump expects and respects loyalty and so far Jared's loyalty to the Trump family has been true (at least it seems so on the surface anyways). Yes Jared is very clever and carefully calculates his moves -- I just don't trust him and I never will.

Okay.  Thanks. @libertybele

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yet Netanyahu is the bad guy.

Netanyahu is *a* bad guy ....

Netanyahu deserves no rest, no quarter unless and until he explains, under oath:  ---  Why since 2014 he allowed Hamas to expand its tunnel network and amass weapons of war,   the deal he made with the devil to authorize the transfer of one billion dollars through the years to Hamas --- (the last approval he gave was in September 2023) ---   why he and his administration ignored the clarion warning in the late 2022 Israeli security report titled "The Jericho Walls" and again weeks before the Oct 7 attack ---   and why repeatedly bombing the same territory for two years to turn rubble to dust was more important than finding and retrieving Israeli hostages, both alive and dead.

I pray this peace agreement holds together --- that the Arab coalition can control Hamas and President Trump can control Netanyahu.  And I pray Israelis have both the wisdom and the courage to select a new Prime Minister who is ready and able to lead the nation into a new chapter --- a chapter with new alliances, a functioning membership in the neighborhood and the possibility of tangible peace, stability and prosperity.

Israelis of all stripes should finally offer to help the Netanyahu clan pack.

[Hoodat]

---  Why since 2014 he allowed Hamas to expand its tunnel network and amass weapons of war

Uh, maybe its because Gaza wasn't under Israeli occupation?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Occupation is control, according to the UN -- and Israel's control over Gaza has been total and ironclad ----

Israel has (had?) control over:  -- Gaza's airspace and territorial waters,  -- movement into, out of,  and around Gaza, --- international access to Gaza, the territory and the inhabitants, including doctors, the media and international leaders. --- employment and salary disbursement,  --- the supply of civilian infrastructure, including water, sanitation, electricity, medical care, and food  --- key governmental functions such as the management of the Palestinian population registry and electronics distribution.   --- Israel also exercises other forms of control, including:  ---  armed checkpoints,  --- taking captives at will without benefit of charge or trial and --- collective punishment.

Love it, or not, Israel has been the occupying power over Gaza, regardless of where Israelis live.

[Idiot]

Netanyahu is *a* bad guy ....

Netanyahu deserves no rest, no quarter unless and until he explains, under oath:  ---  Why since 2014 he allowed Hamas to expand its tunnel network and amass weapons of war,   the deal he made with the devil to authorize the transfer of one billion dollars through the years to Hamas --- (the last approval he gave was in September 2023) ---   why he and his administration ignored the clarion warning in the late 2022 Israeli security report titled "The Jericho Walls" and again weeks before the Oct 7 attack ---   and why repeatedly bombing the same territory for two years to turn rubble to dust was more important than finding and retrieving Israeli hostages, both alive and dead.

I pray this peace agreement holds together --- that the Arab coalition can control Hamas and President Trump can control Netanyahu.  And I pray Israelis have both the wisdom and the courage to select a new Prime Minister who is ready and able to lead the nation into a new chapter --- a chapter with new alliances, a functioning membership in the neighborhood and the possibility of tangible peace, stability and prosperity.

Israelis of all stripes should finally offer to help the Netanyahu clan pack.

[Hoodat]

Occupation is control, according to the UN --

'Control' isn't occupation.

[libertybele]

Personally, I don't think Bibi is a bad guy and is good for Israel.

[Cyber Liberty]

Personally, I don't think Bibi is a bad guy and is good for Israel.

Same here!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Fair enough @Idiot --- if you don't agree with Netanyahu being called a "bad" guy, how do you feel about "incompetent"?  The magazine cover below is from his first win as PM in 1996.

How do you feel about calling the great Bibi "foolish" for silently partnering with Hamas to weaken their relationship with the PA and lessen the possibility of two states while strengthening Israel's takeover of the West Bank?  "From the River to the Sea will be Israeli sovereignty".

How about "corrupt" for authorizing a billion dollars transferred from Qatar to Hamas over ten years, the last approval he gave in Sep 2023 ---  without accounting audits allowing for a way to fund the tunnel expansion construction and stockpile weapons of war?

Or, "evil"?  Would this adjective describe Netanyahu ignoring the tunnels uncovered in 2014,  the Jericho Wall report predicting ---  with specificity ---  the attack on Oct 7 from Israel's national security division sneered at in late 2022 and again in the summer of 2023 --- and Netanyahu refusing to authorize and participate in a judicial committee investigation to identify and fix what went wrong leading up to Oct 7?  ---- Heck, Golda Meir had the guts to do this after the Yom Kippur War in 1973 (then she resigned in 1974).

[libertybele]

Same here!

Just for you @Right_in_Virginia

[Right_in_Virginia]

Just for you @Right_in_Virginia

That's clever @libertybele   

Too bad he's still a monster. 

[libertybele]

That's clever @libertybele   

Too bad he's still a monster.

Monster?  Quite the opposite.  I stand with Bibi and Israel!

[Kamaji]

That's clever @libertybele   

Too bad he's still a monster. 

Says the Liar who idolizes the murderers of Hamas.

[Cyber Liberty]

Monster?  Quite the opposite.  I stand with Bibi and Israel!

As do I.  He may not be perfect, but he is the warrior Israel needs.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Monster?  Quite the opposite.  I stand with Bibi and Israel!

Cool.  I stand with Israel and pray she can survive Benjamin Netanyahu!! 🙏

[Cyber Liberty]

Cool.  I stand with Israel and pray she can survive Benjamin Netanyahu!! 🙏

I don't think you do.  You hate Netanyahu too much to be rational. Something is loose in the brain box.

[Right_in_Virginia]

He may not be perfect, but he is the warrior Israel needs.

Three decades after Netanyahu took the reins, Israel suffered her worst attack in its history. He is a corrupt, lying, political incompetent. 


                           


"Warrior"  ---- 

[Cyber Liberty]

Three decades after Netanyahu took the reins, Israel suffered her worst attack in its history. He is a corrupt, lying, political incompetent. 


                           


"Warrior"  ---- 

Think of it what you will.  Be wrong all you wish. 

[Kamaji]

Cool.  I stand with Israel and pray she can survive Benjamin Netanyahu!! 🙏

Actually, no, you don't stand with Israel.  You stand with Hamas, as all of your posts here make quite clear.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Actually, no, you don't stand with Israel.  You stand with Hamas, as all of your posts here make quite clear.

Actually. I do stand with Israel --- and with more honesty, courage, conviction and honor than you can even dream of.  I stand squarely with the millions of Israelis represented by the100,000 of their countrymen in the video below  They've learned what Benjamin Netanyahu is.

Click on link below:   Video of the boos at the mention of Netanyahu's name in Tel Aviv

https://youtu.be/QQXYycVPjK8?si=j5SdJkDXIqikdcGl

[txradioguy]

Too bad he's still a monster.

Too bad you're still a Jew hating lawn flamingo

[verga]

Monster?  Quite the opposite.  I stand with Bibi and Israel!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Too bad you're still a Jew hating lawn flamingo

How many "Jew hating lawn flamingos" do you see in this video @txradioguy:   

Click on link below:   Video of the boos at the mention of Netanyahu's name in Tel Aviv

https://youtu.be/QQXYycVPjK8?si=j5SdJkDXIqikdcGl

[Cyber Liberty]

How many "Jew hating lawn flamingos" do you see in this video @txradioguy:   

Click on link below:   Video of the boos at the mention of Netanyahu's name in Tel Aviv

https://youtu.be/QQXYycVPjK8?si=j5SdJkDXIqikdcGl

I wouldn't call you a lawn flamingo or a Jew-hater, but you hatred of the man fighting this war is waaaay beyond reason.

It consumes so much of you that you don't bother to answer pings to other threads asking your opinion about political races in Virginia!

[bigheadfred]

All Hail King Bibi!

[Right_in_Virginia]

I wouldn't call you a lawn flamingo or a Jew-hater, but you hatred of the man fighting this war is waaaay beyond reason.

No, it's not @Cyber Liberty   Benjamin Netanyahu has done more to harm and divide Israel in the last 10 years than any other politician, ever.  This is fact, not opinion.  But, legend is apparently more important than reality to many --- and this helps no one, especially not Israelis or the causes of peace and stability.

So, please, do the research on my posts -- rather than throwing insults at me or telling me to shut up. 

Then we can debate as adults.

It consumes so much of you that you don't bother to answer pings to other threads asking your opinion about political races in Virginia!

The forum's ignore list is not by category. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't GAS if you want to ignore an Admin. If I want your attention I can get it in the most unpleasant of ways, @Right_in_Virginia

[libertybele]

@Right_in_Virginia  in the same light prove that what you are saying about Bibi is true.

Researching by backtracking usually eventually turns up the truth, but there is a tremendous amount of history and propaganda to wade through to come to any solid conclusions in doing so.

It is no secret that the Jewish people and Israelis are hated.  Hitler's terror is proof of that, though even the atrocities he committed against the Jewish people, some historians have tried to prove that the Holocaust didn't even happen.  Luckily there have been enough Holocaust survivors that the truth has come out and has been told and for the most part recorded.  There are still those that refuse to believe that the Jewish people were targeted and that 'they' tried to wipe out an entire ethnic group off the face of the earth.

Yes, the hate for the Jewish people and Israel still continues along with all the propaganda and we have large groups off Palis, leftists and Hamas supporters who spread lies and deceit.

One thing that I do know is that the Bible states that Israel will remain standing and saved; Romans Chapter 11, and especially Romans 11:26.  The  book of Deuteronomy references Israel as the chosen people who He will clear away many nations ... and when your Lord your God  gives  them over  to  you and  you defeat them,  then you must utterly destroy them ... and also Isaiah 44 ..."But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!

The Bible of course doesn't mention Bibi in modern times (at least that I know of) but he is the current leader of Israel.

Again, prove that Bibi as you claim is evil or the monster that you call him.

[berdie]

How many "Jew hating lawn flamingos" do you see in this video @txradioguy:   

Click on link below:   Video of the boos at the mention of Netanyahu's name in Tel Aviv

https://youtu.be/QQXYycVPjK8?si=j5SdJkDXIqikdcGl

I heard plenty of cheers as well @Right_in_Virginia .

And truthfully, there are people in this country that disagree with the current admin in this country and boo Trump...or whoever is president.

I don't see that Israel is much different than the US or most other countries. Some people like, some people don't. There is a pretty large constituency of liberals there. Just as there is here.

But I stand with BiBi and Israel as a nation.

[Wingnut]

Once a Jew hating lawn flamingo, always a Jew hating lawn flamingo.

For the 1st time in decades Flamingo's have returned to Florida.  Our FL flamingo's are Jew lovers.  Riv...not so much.

[Idiot]

I heard plenty of cheers as well @Right_in_Virginia .

And truthfully, there are people in this country that disagree with the current admin in this country and boo Trump...or whoever is president.

I don't see that Israel is much different than the US or most other countries. Some people like, some people don't. There is a pretty large constituency of liberals there. Just as there is here.

But I stand with BiBi and Israel as a nation.