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Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« on: September 26, 2025, 02:03:37 pm »
Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/researchers-warn-ai-becoming-expert-deception

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In some cases, AI models turned to “malicious insider behaviors” when faced with self-preservation. Some of these actions included blackmailing employees and leaking sensitive information to competitors.


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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2025, 02:18:07 pm »
AI-Generated 'Workslop' Masquerades As Good Work, Ruins Productivity: Harvard Review
https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/ai-generated-workslop-masquerades-good-work-ruins-productivity-harvard-review

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2025, 06:56:38 pm »
Ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt warns AI models can be hacked: ‘They learn how to kill someone’
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/09/ex-google-ceo-warns-ai-models-can-be-hacked-they-learn-how-to-kill.html

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Google’s former CEO Eric Schmidt has issued a stark reminder about the dangers of AI and how susceptible it is to being hacked.

Schmidt, who served as Google’s chief executive from 2001 to 2011, warned about “the bad stuff that AI can do,” when asked whether AI is more destructive than nuclear weapons during a fireside chat at the Sifted Summit

“Is there a possibility of a proliferation problem in AI? Absolutely,” Schmidt said Wednesday. The proliferation risks of AI include the technology falling into the hands of bad actors and being repurposed and misused.

“There’s evidence that you can take models, closed or open, and you can hack them to remove their guardrails. So in the course of their training, they learn a lot of things. A bad example would be they learn how to kill someone,” Schmidt said.

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« Last Edit: October 09, 2025, 07:02:19 pm by rmc51 »
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2025, 07:08:16 pm »
Ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt warns AI models can be hacked: ‘They learn how to kill someone’
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/09/ex-google-ceo-warns-ai-models-can-be-hacked-they-learn-how-to-kill.html

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Google’s former CEO Eric Schmidt has issued a stark reminder about the dangers of AI and how susceptible it is to being hacked.

Schmidt, who served as Google’s chief executive from 2001 to 2011, warned about “the bad stuff that AI can do,” when asked whether AI is more destructive than nuclear weapons during a fireside chat at the Sifted Summit

“Is there a possibility of a proliferation problem in AI? Absolutely,” Schmidt said Wednesday. The proliferation risks of AI include the technology falling into the hands of bad actors and being repurposed and misused.

“There’s evidence that you can take models, closed or open, and you can hack them to remove their guardrails. So in the course of their training, they learn a lot of things. A bad example would be they learn how to kill someone,” Schmidt said.

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2025, 07:16:04 pm »
One more reason to not have a 'smart' home.

I think this AI stuff is going to bite us in the A**, and take a big chunk.


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« Last Edit: October 09, 2025, 07:19:48 pm by rmc51 »
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2025, 07:17:57 pm »
I think this AI stuff is going to bit us in the A**, a big chunk.


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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2025, 07:33:15 pm »
I think this AI stuff is going to bite us in the A**, and take a big chunk.


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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2025, 07:45:26 pm »
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2025, 08:00:39 pm »
A fully developed AI means the end of mankind.

The Terminator movie depicted the end of mankind rather accurately.

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2025, 08:02:36 pm »
A fully developed AI means the end of mankind.

The Terminator movie depicted the end of mankind rather accurately.
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2025, 08:09:47 pm »
A fully developed AI means the end of mankind.

The Terminator movie depicted the end of mankind rather accurately.

The end of mankind...that's the way I see it.  AI can already teach itself.  How long before it takes over?  Unfortunately I think soon.  It's already out of control.

So...who is responsible for creating AI??

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2025, 09:41:08 pm »


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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2025, 09:52:52 pm »
Never heard of the movie Colossus. I will try to track it down and watch it.

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2025, 11:19:22 pm »
Never heard of the movie Colossus. I will try to track it down and watch it.
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2025, 01:02:59 pm »
The A.I. Prompt That Could End the World
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/opinion/ai-destruction-technology-future.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sU8.zjkz.yALollEkogUa&smid=url-share


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In the course of quantifying the risks of A.I., I was hoping that I would realize my fears were ridiculous. Instead, the opposite happened: The more I moved from apocalyptic hypotheticals to concrete real-world findings, the more concerned I became. All of the elements of Dr. Bengio’s doomsday scenario were coming into existence. A.I. was getting smarter and more capable. It was learning how to tell its overseers what they wanted to hear. It was getting good at lying. And it was getting exponentially better at complex tasks.


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Dr. Bengio’s pathogen is no longer a hypothetical. In September, scientists at Stanford reported they had used A.I. to design a virus for the first time. Their noble goal was to use the artificial virus to target E. coli infections, but it is easy to imagine this technology being used for other purposes.

I’ve heard many arguments about what A.I. may or may not be able to do, but the data has outpaced the debate, and it shows the following facts clearly: A.I. is highly capable. Its capabilities are accelerating. And the risks those capabilities present are real. Biological life on this planet is, in fact, vulnerable to these systems. On this threat, even OpenAI seems to agree.

In this sense, we have passed the threshold that nuclear fission passed in 1939. The point of disagreement is no longer whether A.I. could wipe us out. It could. Give it a pathogen research lab, the wrong safety guidelines and enough intelligence, and it definitely could. A destructive A.I., like a nuclear bomb, is now a concrete possibility. The question is whether anyone will be reckless enough to build one.





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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2025, 06:02:45 pm »
I sense that the "AI boom" is largely a bubble that will unexpectedly "deflate" rapidly, just as did the "dot.com" boom of some years' back.

I've read that a number of rural communities, suburbs and small towns are increasingly opposed to the construction of AI data centers due to the enormous amounts of electricity and water they consume, with little real benefit to the surrounding communities once they're in operation...

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2025, 06:09:11 pm »
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I sense that the "AI boom" is largely a bubble that will unexpectedly "deflate" rapidly, just as did the "dot.com" boom of some years' back.

I've read that a number of rural communities, suburbs and small towns are increasingly opposed to the construction of AI data centers due to the enormous amounts of electricity and water they consume, with little real benefit to the surrounding communities once they're in operation...

I don't see AI as a fad that's going to come and go.  It is here, growing and self-replicating.  It's a little late in trying to contain it.  Some good can become of it but there is also huge room for abuse.

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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2025, 06:17:59 pm »
One more reason to not have a 'smart' home.

An AI can kill you just by calling the police and telling them you are an armed threat. The SWAT team will then show up and kill you dead. Happens often enough without AI so it's a matter of time before an AI figures this out.
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2025, 06:52:07 pm »
I sense that the "AI boom" is largely a bubble that will unexpectedly "deflate" rapidly, just as did the "dot.com" boom of some years' back.

I've read that a number of rural communities, suburbs and small towns are increasingly opposed to the construction of AI data centers due to the enormous amounts of electricity and water they consume, with little real benefit to the surrounding communities once they're in operation...
I'm not thrilled about AI, but they are building 3 massive AI facilities around my city.  They say they don't use much water because it's supposed to be a closed system.  One's backup power generation is natural gas and it's very loud, another's is solar with massive batteries, the third's rumor has it is a salt based nuclear mini reactor.  There is not a motel, RV spot, or rent house available for miles around.  House prices are through the roof here.
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2025, 07:19:18 pm »
The thing that pisses me off about AI is the insistence that we need it to be better than pushing ourselves to be better.
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2025, 07:56:39 pm »
The thing that pisses me off about AI is the insistence that we need it to be better than pushing ourselves to be better.
I agree. Great tools in the hands of poor tradesmen produce substandard results. How long until we reach the point where most people can no longer discern when AI is deceiving them?
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Re: Researchers Warn: AI Is Becoming An Expert In Deception
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2025, 11:06:05 pm »
I sense that the "AI boom" is largely a bubble that will unexpectedly "deflate" rapidly, just as did the "dot.com" boom of some years' back.

I've read that a number of rural communities, suburbs and small towns are increasingly opposed to the construction of AI data centers due to the enormous amounts of electricity and water they consume, with little real benefit to the surrounding communities once they're in operation...

I somewhat agree with you, but this AI crap is going to cause a lot of problems before it is under control.

Remember when Europe stopped all nuclear power and went with wind and solar and now France is having power outages.
Remember when everyone must have a electric car, then the cold weather hit and everyone of those POS EV's died.
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« Last Edit: October 10, 2025, 11:36:27 pm by rmc51 »
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