Karl Rove scolds conservatives for saying ‘they’ killed Charlie: Stop ‘thuggery, threats, or silenci

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Karl Rove scolds conservatives for saying ‘they’ killed Charlie: Stop ‘thuggery, threats, or silencing’
September 18, 2025 | Vivek Saxena

Longtime GOP strategist Karl Rove has slammed his fellow right-wingers for attributing Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk’s murder to an unspecified “they.”

Writing for the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, Rove complained about right-wingers who have been writing or saying that “they” or “them” — typically used to mean the entire left — killed Kirk.

“[T]here has been a disturbing and growing undercurrent in our national conversation and on the Internet, a pronounced emphasis on ‘they’ and ‘them,’” Rove wrote. “Charlie would be alive but for ‘them.’ ‘They’ killed him. ‘They’ are responsible for his death. ‘They’ must be made to pay.”

This is wrong, Rove continued, because Kirk was in fact killed by a single person — namely, a deranged left-winger who’d been brainwashed and indoctrinated by media, academia, and others to believe that Kirk was the epitome of everything that’s wrong in America.

“No. Charlie Kirk wasn’t killed by ‘them,’” he explained. “‘They’ didn’t pull the trigger. One person did, apparently a young man driven by impulse and a terrible hate.”

“If there were a ‘they’ involved, law enforcement would find ‘them’ and the justice system would hold ‘them’ accountable. But ‘he’ and ‘him’ are the correct pronouns for this horrendous act,” Rove continued.

The only problem here is that the FBI is STILL investigating whether other people besides the shooter were involved in Kirk’s murder.

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[Smokin Joe]

Take a deep breath.

We're just using they/them's preferred pronouns, Carl.

[GtHawk]

  :pondering:Rove….he used to be somebody once, wasn’t he? Anyone remember the last time he was relevant?

[Wingnut]

Dear Karl, As Gotye and Kimbra, once sang, "now you're just somebody that I used to know"

[DCPatriot]

To think he was once such a "Magnificent Bastard"!! 

[Smokin Joe]

To think he was once such a "Magnificent Bastard"!! 

Now, he's just another b@st@rd.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Karl, in little over a year, someone attempted to assassinate Candidate Trump, and assassinated Charlie Kirk.  Couple this with the Anti-Semetic terrorism on college campuses.  There is a post 9/11 generation of leftists radicals who view violence as a tool of advancing their politics and their cause.

There is something going wrong when public education is producing more leftist assassins, terrorists, thugs, and mental defectives than literate, sane, rational, productive, law-abiding citizens.

Global Climate Change is a gateway radical political ideology that eventually creates extremist and violent Marxists.  If they can't get what they want with ballots, they'll take it with bullets.

[Free Vulcan]

Turdblossom speaks!

[Bigun]

Karl Rove can kiss my harry @$$!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I agree with him.

[LMAO]

I agree with him.

As do I but the left  is guilty of doing the same thing

As an NRA member and gun owner, the left has no problem holding people like me accountable whenever there’s a school shooting or any mass shooting

We are definitely in a race to the bottom

[Bigun]

I agree with him.

Surprising no one.

[DB]

Calling people Nazis, fascists and existential threat to democracy by the top down of the Democrat party makes the Democrat party "them". They own it. They been begging people to take out Trump and anyone near him by any means. They've tried repeatedly to kill Trump and succeeded with Kirk.

Calling it anything less than what it is is surrendering to it.

No.

[DB]

I'll add that Democrats are fully wedded to the ends justify the means. That road has only one end if it is allowed to be traveled to its conclusion.

[rustynail]

Karl Rove has no gravitas.

[Bigun]

I'll add that Democrats are fully wedded to the ends justify the means. That road has only one end if it is allowed to be traveled to its conclusion.

  and 

[Bigun]

Karl Rove has no gravitas.

Karl Rove was a very good direct mail consultant in Austin Texas. He should have stayed with doing what he was good at!

[DCPatriot]

Karl Rove was a very good direct mail consultant in Austin Texas. He should have stayed with doing what he was good at!

I'm not going to challenge his expertise in breaking down voting blocs.

His horse beat Al Gore and John Kerry.

But the entire nation BODY contracted a deadly cancer on January 20th 2009

...a decade and a half of navel gazing while the Democratic Party has become a pod of Body Snatchers.

Hate to laugh but it could become a funny skit on something like The Carol Burnett Show...or Jack Benny with his butler, Rochester! 

[Sighlass]

Stopped listening to Karl Rove when he underhandedly pushed for illegals becoming citizens.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

As do I but the left  is guilty of doing the same thing

As an NRA member and gun owner, the left has no problem holding people like me accountable whenever there’s a school shooting or any mass shooting

We are definitely in a race to the bottom

Yes, absolutely. That is the way I see it as well.

The person that pulls the trigger is responsible, ultimately.

[Bigun]

Yes, absolutely. That is the way I see it as well.

The person that pulls the trigger is responsible, ultimately.

So, Joseph Gobbels bears no responsibility for the deaths of some six million Jews?

Pol Pot never personally killed millions of Cambodians.

Mao had no hand in the deaths of millions of Chinese.

 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

So, Joseph Gobbels bears no responsibility for the deaths of some six million Jews?

Pol Pot never personally killed millions of Cambodians.

Mao had no hand in the deaths of millions of Chinese.

 

Logic fail. We don't live in a totalitarian regime. If someone ordered him to kill someone, unless he's a member of like the mafia, nobody ordered him to do this. He made the choice and he bears the responsibility. Same thing as guns.

Calling someone a fascist/socialist etc. is a valid opinion. I don't necessarily agree with it, I think a lot of the rhetoric on both sides is overblown, hyperbolic, and ridiculous. But a valid opinion is a valid opinion. Period.

[Bigun]

Logic fail. We don't live in a totalitarian regime. If someone ordered him to kill someone, unless he's a member of like the mafia, nobody ordered him to do this. He made the choice and he bears the responsibility. Same thing as guns.

Calling someone a fascist/socialist etc. is a valid opinion. I don't necessarily agree with it, I think a lot of the rhetoric on both sides is overblown, hyperbolic, and ridiculous. But a valid opinion is a valid opinion. Period.

VALID??? My @$$!

Hillary Clinton bears no responsibility for four dead Americans in Benghazi...

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

VALID??? My @$$!

Hillary Clinton bears no responsibility for four dead Americans in Benghazi...

Well again, I don't remember the specifics of that, but that has to do with her subordinates... because of her actual position of power then, yes, she is partially responsible for what her subordinates do. This guy wasn't like a paid employee... I mean if that is that it turns out being, then I'll change my opinion.

[Bigun]

Well again, I don't remember the specifics of that, but that has to do with her subordinates... because of her actual position of power then, yes, she is partially responsible for what her subordinates do. This guy wasn't like a paid employee... I mean if that is that it turns out being, then I'll change my opinion.

Hitler said Jews are evil. Is that a "VALID" opinion?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Hitler said Jews are evil. Is that a "VALID" opinion?

Thinking someone is a fascist isn't the same as saying Jews are evil.

What I mean is, it's not somebody saying something like "Charlie Kirk is a fascist, someone should shoot him". See the difference?

[Bigun]

Thinking someone is a fascist isn't the same as saying Jews are evil.

What I mean is, it's not somebody saying something like "Charlie Kirk is a fascist, someone should shoot him". See the difference?

Thinking someone a fascist is an opinion for sure but not necessarily a "VALID" one.

[DB]

Thinking someone is a fascist isn't the same as saying Jews are evil.

What I mean is, it's not somebody saying something like "Charlie Kirk is a fascist, someone should shoot him". See the difference?

They weren't thinking it. They were screaming it with the purpose of destroying their target. Killing a fascist is entirely justified, ask them, they'll tell you as much.

So when they tell you person x is a fascist and at the same time tell you that violence is justified against a fascist - believe them. Their intent is clear and they're acting it out.

Calling for violence against your political enemies is a bridge too far. They've well exceeded their first amendment rights some time ago.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

They weren't thinking it. They were screaming it with the purpose of destroying their target. Killing a fascist is entirely justified, ask them, they'll tell you as much.

So when they tell you person x is a fascist and at the same time tell you that violence is justified against a fascist - believe them. Their intent is clear and they're acting it out.

Calling for violence against your political enemies is a bridge too far. They've well exceeded their first amendment rights some time ago.

Yeah and lot on the right call people communist... same thing right?

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah and lot on the right call people communist... same thing right?

Are people on the Right who call them Communists (a badge many have earned, and some revel in) calling for killing them in the streets?

We are not the same.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Are people on the Right who call them Communists (a badge many have earned, and some revel in) calling for killing them in the streets?

We are not the same.

I have heard that actually.

[DB]

Yeah and lot on the right call people communist... same thing right?

No, it isn't.

Where are the calls for violence/death against communist citizens from the right?

The left calling the right fascists wouldn't be a life and death problem if they also didn't believe and act out that violence against fascists is perfectly acceptable by about a third of them.

There's a huge difference.

[DB]

I have heard that actually.

So where are the dead/injured communists?

[Smokin Joe]

I have heard that actually.

Fine. Provide a clip. It should be easy enough. We've seen plenty from "If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun" to the rhetoric of the likes of Jasmine Crockett. Leftist hate for the Right abounds.

[collins]

it sounds to me like Karl is trying to defend the trans community but I doubt he knows all the facts himself. Typical RINO scold.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Fine. Provide a clip. It should be easy enough. We've seen plenty from "If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun" to the rhetoric of the likes of Jasmine Crockett. Leftist hate for the Right abounds.

There were two Democratic state senators killed this summer weren't there?

[DB]

There were two Democratic state senators killed this summer weren't there?

By someone they knew.

[Smokin Joe]

By someone they knew.

That shooter had a list, a manifesto (that was retracted, so we don't know whether he did or not), and "No Kings" flyers in his vehicle.

While media have tried to paint the guy as a conservative, the flyers make me pause. Aside from the media jumping to blame the Right (and possibly, this guy was, as the list included abortion providers and pro abortion politicians in Minnesota and Wisconsin), no one prominent on the Right has been calling for violence. Instead, abortion protesters gather (where permitted) across the street and pray.
The guy was highly unusual, unlike those who give in to the calls for violence from virtually every quarter on the left, using inflammatory rhetoric and whipping up hate, and talking about taking it to the streets.

How many attempts were there on Biden's life? (none)--especially considering he started hurting Americans on day one. Yet the divisive and hateful rhetoric continues to spew from the mouths of the Left.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yeah and lot on the right call people communist... same thing right?

People on the right support the label "communist" with the candidate/office holder's policies.  People on the left throw out labels without receipts.

Get the difference @Weird Tolkienish Figure ?

[DCPatriot]

People on the right support the label "communist" with the candidate/office holder's policies.  People on the left throw out labels without receipts.

Get the difference @Weird Tolkienish Figure ?

Listened to a replay of Biden's "Trump and his MAGA army are existential threats to America" speech yesterday.

It's HORRIFIC!!

Cannot believe that MF got away with it the way he did...the way the RAT Party did.  And finally, the way the legacy media 'ignored' commenting on it.