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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1500 on: Today at 02:13:55 pm »

I have no idea why you pinged me

I thought Roseanne’s being fired was unfair and if she were to say the same exact thing, but it was about Clarence Thomas, ABC would’ve never let her go.

I don’t know where you get the idea I’m gaslighting anybody, but hey, whatever gets you through your day

Everything else I posted still stands. The “consequences for your speech” is the exact argument the left uses when they censor people they don’t like.


Theres a lot of silence here for an attorney general stating that they’re gonna come after hate speech. I remember when people who call themselves conservative hated the term hate speech and hate crimes because they punished thought.

But it took nothing more than a party label switch, and all is well

I find it highly unlikely that ABC wouldn't have fired her if she said something similar about Clarence Thomas.
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« Reply #1501 on: Today at 02:16:17 pm »
I find it highly unlikely that ABC wouldn't have fired her if she said something similar about Clarence Thomas.

Well, I’m speculating of course.

But I still opposed her firing and I remember the FOX News people and talk radio also opposing it at the time




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« Reply #1502 on: Today at 02:32:27 pm »
Well, I’m speculating of course.

But I still opposed her firing and I remember the FOX News people and talk radio also opposing it at the time

I think it comes down to a matter of white on black racism. If it was the other way around I would have my doubts.
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« Reply #1503 on: Today at 02:37:24 pm »
Is it really so hard to understand that ABC suspending Kimmel's show is not censorship and has nothing to do with "free speech" or the First Amendment?

He made a defamatory, false, offensive statement in the wake of a horrendous and tragic event, and refused to walk it back. A number of ABC affiliates said they won't broadcast the show, which ABC knew would be bad for business. ABC also knows it's bad for business to publish libelous comments on its network.

CBS is ending Colbert's show because it's losing money. It's losing money because he isn't funny, and all he does is say, "F*** Trump." Kimmel followed Colbert's stellar example. He has a very low-rated show, in part because it's too much anti-Trump politics and not enough humor and entertainment. Kimmel, Colbert and Myers should sit down and watch 24 hours straight of Johnny Carson, and then another 24 hours of Jay Leno, to see how it's supposed to be done.

When the American public told Bud Light we don't want to buy your beer because your spokesman is a disgusting freak and you're pushing the transgender agenda, the company responded by adopting a new ad campaign (football, manly guys, etc.). More analogous to what's happened with Kimmel than anything even remotely resembling censorship.

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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1504 on: Today at 02:45:03 pm »
Since 1934, broadcasters have been required to broadcast "in the public interest."  Outright lying is not in the public interest , and "Comedy" doesn't get an exception.  We've been reminded of the reason for that in the past week or so.

Nobody should tell a comedian what to say - The woke tried that already.
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« Reply #1505 on: Today at 03:01:56 pm »
He made a defamatory, false, offensive statement in the wake of a horrendous and tragic event [...]


Comedians make false, defamatory, and offensive statements all the time - That's what makes it comedy.

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There's the problem right there - When the suits say you need to walk it back, take the mea culpa, dumass...  *****rollingeyes***** **nononono*

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« Reply #1506 on: Today at 03:22:08 pm »
In short, Kimmel's microphone isn't his. The owner of the microphone gets to dictate what is ultimately done with it.

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« Reply #1507 on: Today at 03:44:24 pm »
Just tossing it out...

What if the CIA, with plausible deniability and signed NDAs, directed Kimmel to state what he did?

What if ABC wasn't aware Kimmel was a CIA contractor carrying out an operation?

What if Carr, the head of the FCC is now aware of all this?

Come on now...beats any 60 Minutes segment.
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Charlie Kirk didn't use hate speech. He just said things they hated.

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« Reply #1508 on: Today at 03:54:37 pm »
Nobody should tell a comedian what to say - The woke tried that already.
The comedian lives or dies by the crowd, as it should be.
It hasn’t been that way for years, even highly successful comedians have complained about being cancelled or just no longer working at colleges because the poor little mushy brains couldn’t handle hearing jokes that skewered not just those bastard conservatives, but their precious liberal heroes and ideals too. The reason that Gutfeld is so successful is that even though hey definitely lean right, they will take a shot at anyone.

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« Reply #1509 on: Today at 03:56:44 pm »
Just tossing it out...

What if the CIA, with plausible deniability and signed NDAs, directed Kimmel to state what he did?

What if ABC wasn't aware Kimmel was a CIA contractor carrying out an operation?

What if Carr, the head of the FCC is now aware of all this?

Come on now...beats any 60 Minutes segment.

🤔I think there is a major flaw in all that, I don’t believe Kimmel is smart enough to be a CIA contractor and not brag about it if he was.

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« Reply #1510 on: Today at 04:36:38 pm »
It hasn’t been that way for years, even highly successful comedians have complained about being cancelled or just no longer working at colleges because the poor little mushy brains couldn’t handle hearing jokes that skewered not just those bastard conservatives, but their precious liberal heroes and ideals too. The reason that Gutfeld is so successful is that even though hey definitely lean right, they will take a shot at anyone.

That's what makes it comedy. It is intrinsically busted if it is censored.  :shrug:

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« Reply #1511 on: Today at 04:45:39 pm »
It was 1938, and it was on the radio...

I don't think the number who thought an actual invasion was as high as some think.

You had to have a radio, and electricity, too, to run it.  In 1938, a lot of places didn't.
You're right. I've read up on this, and there were a lot of factors in that:

1, of the people with radios, very few people were likely tuned into the program. It was an unsponsored program that was third place in its time slot.

2, newspapers were still bitter at radio for being free and competing with their paid product for news scoops. Unscrupulous publishers, like many of the tabloids of today, deliberately ginned up the handful of reports (mostly people listening to other shows who tuned in during those shows' commercial breaks) to humiliate radio as a medium.

3, Orson Welles ended up becoming a huge star not long after thanks to Citizen Kane and The Magnificent Ambersons. He likely used the broadcast (which he repeatedly advertised as fiction in line with then-FRC regulations) and the alleged reaction for publicity to get those films made.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1512 on: Today at 05:23:37 pm »
You're right. I've read up on this, and there were a lot of factors in that:

1, of the people with radios, very few people were likely tuned into the program. It was an unsponsored program that was third place in its time slot.

2, newspapers were still bitter at radio for being free and competing with their paid product for news scoops. Unscrupulous publishers, like many of the tabloids of today, deliberately ginned up the handful of reports (mostly people listening to other shows who tuned in during those shows' commercial breaks) to humiliate radio as a medium.

3, Orson Welles ended up becoming a huge star not long after thanks to Citizen Kane and The Magnificent Ambersons. He likely used the broadcast (which he repeatedly advertised as fiction in line with then-FRC regulations) and the alleged reaction for publicity to get those films made.
Then there  was Howard Koch, who wrote the script for the radio play (and later went on to get an award for Casablanca)...
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1513 on: Today at 06:14:34 pm »
Just tossing it out...

What if the CIA, with plausible deniability and signed NDAs, directed Kimmel to state what he did?

What if ABC wasn't aware Kimmel was a CIA contractor carrying out an operation?

What if Carr, the head of the FCC is now aware of all this?

Come on now...beats any 60 Minutes segment.

Chuck Barris already tried that gambit... I'd think ABC learned their lesson!
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« Reply #1514 on: Today at 06:55:27 pm »
In short, Kimmel's microphone isn't his. The owner of the microphone gets to dictate what is ultimately done with it.


And that is the bottom line. In reality the employer is in control.

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« Reply #1515 on: Today at 07:13:13 pm »
Is it really so hard to understand that ABC suspending Kimmel's show is not censorship and has nothing to do with "free speech" or the First Amendment?

He made a defamatory, false, offensive statement in the wake of a horrendous and tragic event, and refused to walk it back. A number of ABC affiliates said they won't broadcast the show, which ABC knew would be bad for business. ABC also knows it's bad for business to publish libelous comments on its network.

CBS is ending Colbert's show because it's losing money. It's losing money because he isn't funny, and all he does is say, "F*** Trump." Kimmel followed Colbert's stellar example. He has a very low-rated show, in part because it's too much anti-Trump politics and not enough humor and entertainment. Kimmel, Colbert and Myers should sit down and watch 24 hours straight of Johnny Carson, and then another 24 hours of Jay Leno, to see how it's supposed to be done.

When the American public told Bud Light we don't want to buy your beer because your spokesman is a disgusting freak and you're pushing the transgender agenda, the company responded by adopting a new ad campaign (football, manly guys, etc.). More analogous to what's happened with Kimmel than anything even remotely resembling censorship.



Did Biden's FCC chairman threaten Bud Light??? No. So your Bud Light comparison falls flat with a big boom

Kimmel wasn't let go simply as part of a business decision. He was fired because of threats made by Brendan Carr, That's why this is a free speech issue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/media/jimmy-kimmel-suspension-brendan-carr-trumps-fcc-chair-rcna232091

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/brendan-carr-abc-fcc-jimmy-kimmel-charlie-kirk-1236522406/
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Did Biden's FCC chairman threaten Bud Light??? No. So your Bud Light comparison falls flat with a big boom

Kimmel wasn't let go simply as part of a business decision. He was fired because of threats made by Brendan Carr, That's why this is a free speech issue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/media/jimmy-kimmel-suspension-brendan-carr-trumps-fcc-chair-rcna232091

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/brendan-carr-abc-fcc-jimmy-kimmel-charlie-kirk-1236522406/
stupid response.

Bud did not celebrate murder and lie about how it was done.
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« Reply #1517 on: Today at 07:25:11 pm »
because of threats made by Brendan Carr

Enforcing the laws on the books is now considered as a threat?? LOL

Let's recap ... ABC has a broadcast license, granted by the Govt., on the condition that it doesn't deliberately lie and deceive the Public.

Political commentator and alleged comedian Jimmy Kimmel - a direct employee of ABC - did that. He knew Robinson wasn't MAGA, but spread the lie anyway.

THAT's why ABC is in hot water now ... and, as an employer, they have every right to discipline/fire a trouble-making employee that created this mess out of nothing

The most amazing thing about this whole episode is the lack of maturity and professionalism by Jimmy Kimmel ... this guy is nothing but a childish frat-boy
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« Reply #1518 on: Today at 07:31:57 pm »
stupid response.

Bud did not celebrate murder and lie about how it was done.

But this isn't comparable to Bud Light

The Bud Light boycott was consumers without government intervention. That's why comparing this to the Bud Light boycott is a poor comparison

Hope that helps you
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« Reply #1519 on: Today at 07:32:42 pm »
Just for the record, broadcasters that use the public airwaves do not have a first amendment right to say whatever they please.

Their license comes with numerous speech limitations. They cannot curse, show nudity, etc.

It is the FCC's job to enforce those rules. If ABC thought the FCC was violating their first amendment rights they'd sue the FCC in court. They knew Kimmel crossed the line where he refused to walk it back, so they unloaded their problem.

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« Reply #1520 on: Today at 07:35:15 pm »
Enforcing the laws on the books is now considered as a threat?? LOL

Let's recap ... ABC has a broadcast license, granted by the Govt., on the condition that it doesn't deliberately lie and deceive the Public.

Political commentator and alleged comedian Jimmy Kimmel - a direct employee of ABC - did that. He knew Robinson wasn't MAGA, but spread the lie anyway.

THAT's why ABC is in hot water now ... and, as an employer, they have every right to discipline/fire a trouble-making employee that created this mess out of nothing

The most amazing thing about this whole episode is the lack of maturity and professionalism by Jimmy Kimmel ... this guy is nothing but a childish frat-boy


Yet, if this was a Democratic FCC chairman going after conservatives commentators for claiming that Mellissa  Hortman's shooter in Minnesota was a leftists marxist, you would be howling at the moon. The law wasn't enforced for the sake of the law. It was "enforced" because Kimmel is a critic of this administration.
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Who decides if something is a lie and /or someone is deliberately lying? Carr? Trump? Hate Speech enforcer Bondi??

They would not have fired Kimmel if not for the threats of the FCC chairman and you and others know it
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« Reply #1521 on: Today at 07:42:55 pm »
I get that Kimmel isn't too popular with MAGA and it's orgasmic at the moment for them to see him punished for wrongspeak

But this could very easily come back to haunt them. Trump won't be in the White House forever

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« Reply #1522 on: Today at 07:43:16 pm »
They would not have fired Kimmel if not for the threats of the FCC chairman and you and others know it

Get a grip, enforcing the exist laws is not "threats".

ABC violated the terms of their license by allowing an employee to deliberately spread a lie.

ABC is a business, and now they are disciplining that troublemaking employee ... what's the problem???
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Rick Scott Leads Senate to Unanimously Establish October 14 as National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk

The U.S. Senate on Thursday unanimously approved a resolution led by Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) designating October 14, 2025, as a National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk, honoring the late Turning Point USA founder’s legacy of faith, free speech, and civic engagement.

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« Reply #1524 on: Today at 07:46:18 pm »
ABC is a business, and now they are disciplining that troublemaking employee ... what's the problem???

In particular, ABC is owned by Disney, a corporation that is right now feeling the enmity of the conservatives and Christians who they have deliberately and purposefully alienated over the past thirty or forty years.

Disney is pulling the strings here. I guarantee it.
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Rick Scott Leads Senate to Unanimously Establish October 14 as National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk

The U.S. Senate on Thursday unanimously approved a resolution led by Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) designating October 14, 2025, as a National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk, honoring the late Turning Point USA founder’s legacy of faith, free speech, and civic engagement.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/18/rick-scott-leads-senate-to-unanimously-establish-october-14-as-national-day-of-remembrance-for-charlie-kirk/

The vote will not be unanimous. I even have my doubts that Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski will vote for it. I hope I am wrong about Collins and Murkowski.
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« Reply #1526 on: Today at 07:50:05 pm »
Get a grip, enforcing the exist laws is not "threats".

ABC violated the terms of their license by allowing an employee to deliberately spread a lie.

ABC is a business, and now they are disciplining that troublemaking employee ... what's the problem???

Ok...second time

What evidence do you have that the lie was deliberate and who gets to determine that?

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« Reply #1527 on: Today at 07:57:12 pm »
Ok...second time

What evidence do you have that the lie was deliberate and who gets to determine that?

Kimmel works at a news network. There is no excuse for him to be repeating a falsehood that his network news division knew was untrue.

Keep in mind here that the FCC views ABC as an organic whole and not the sum of its parts. Kimmel's comments did not take place in a vacuum.

ABC is then who would pay a penalty for defending Kimmel's comments.

Also is the fact that for many young people Kimmel is a news source. In the monologue statement he is recapping current events (news) and is then acting in the capacity of a reporter and not just a mere comedian.

There's a lot of meat on the bone here for the FCC to bite into if they so desire and the lawyers at ABC know this.
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« Reply #1528 on: Today at 08:02:58 pm »
I get that Kimmel isn't too popular with MAGA and it's orgasmic at the moment for them to see him punished for wrongspeak

But this could very easily come back to haunt them. Trump won't be in the White House forever
Trump didn't fire Kimmel, the network did.

People get stuff wrong on TV all the time, but he knew better, and kept up the lie--and then, refused to walk it back.

What network wants that sort of trouble?
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« Reply #1529 on: Today at 08:06:32 pm »
Kimmel works at a news network. There is no excuse for him to be repeating a falsehood that his network news division knew was untrue.

Keep in mind here that the FCC views ABC as an organic whole and not the sum of its parts. Kimmel's comments did not take place in a vacuum.

ABC is then who would pay a penalty for defending Kimmel's comments.

Also is the fact that for many young people Kimmel is a news source. In the monologue statement he is recapping current events (news) and is then acting in the capacity of a reporter and not just a mere comedian.

There's a lot of meat on the bone here for the FCC to bite into if they so desire and the lawyers at ABC know this.

Ok..I'll ask you but I know I won't get an answer

What evidence do you have that Kimmel deliberately lied? Answer..you have none

This is not about enforcing laws. I believe the laws will be applied selectively. If Watters or Gutfield said somethin false, I guarantee you the FCC under Trump won't go after them

This is about silencing Trump critics. Make no mistake. Too many here are cheering this on yet are not questioning the ramifications of what's being done here.

Again, the Attorney General under Trump talked about going after "Hate speech," and no eyebrows were raised here. In any other Democrat administration, there would be a thread on why defining hate speech is hard. But since it's Trump, he gets a pass

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« Reply #1530 on: Today at 08:07:54 pm »
Trump didn't fire Kimmel, the network did.


:thud: :facepalm2: Under pressure from the FCC

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« Reply #1531 on: Today at 08:09:07 pm »
Ok...second time

What evidence do you have that the lie was deliberate and who gets to determine that?

That makes not one damned bit of difference. ABC determined that one of their employees was doing damage to their company and pulled his plug as they have every right to do.
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« Reply #1532 on: Today at 08:10:55 pm »
Just for the record, broadcasters that use the public airwaves do not have a first amendment right to say whatever they please.

I guess the issue for ABC is why suspend Kimmel and not Sunny Hosting or Ana Navarro on The View




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« Reply #1533 on: Today at 08:13:20 pm »
That makes not one damned bit of difference. ABC determined that one of their employees was doing damage to their company and pulled his plug as they have every right to do.

And you would be screaming "Communists" if this was done by a Democrat administration to a conservative commentator :laugh:

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« Reply #1534 on: Today at 08:19:28 pm »
And you would be screaming "Communists" if this was done by a Democrat administration to a conservative commentator :laugh:

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« Reply #1535 on: Today at 08:21:42 pm »
Ok..I'll ask you but I know I won't get an answer

What evidence do you have that Kimmel deliberately lied? Answer..you have none

You are missing my point. The FCC does not see this as Kimmel's words but the words of ABC if they choose to defend them. ABC chose not to defend these words.

Kimmel's intent is irrelevant to the FCC.

It was, however, obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that his intent was to slander Charlie Kirk and to slander millions of Americans who want to Make America Great Again.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1536 on: Today at 09:03:05 pm »

What evidence do you have that Kimmel deliberately lied? Answer..you have none


When was the last time Kimmel shilled for the republican side (by mistake of course)?
 
Never.

If things were 50/50, Kimmel wouldn't 100% of the time be on just one side. If examining patterns of randomness, Kimmel would be a case study for a person that never crossed the party line.

But also if one looks at it, all his stuff goes through a group of people that write his shumck.... so it wasn't just him making a one time mistake, it was funneled through a sewer of liberal writers with access to the center of the news gathering.

Discernment.... Kimmel knew exactly what he was doing, his past when discerned doesn't show filter when he could take a jab or not. It isn't a comedy show anymore, it is an sounding room to play to the liberal crowd that likes his political position.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1537 on: Today at 09:24:44 pm »
Here's the president threatening media critics. 

If it'll help, some of you can close your eyes and imagine a democrat said this... :silly:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/18/politics/video/trump-jimmy-kimmel-abc-late-night-hosts-fcc-collins-digvid

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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1538 on: Today at 09:27:03 pm »
BS! 100% USDA Choice grade A.

Ya..sure

You would be giving your support to a Democrat president if a FOX news commentator said something that was untrue and that administration threatened Fox's broadcast license

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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
« Reply #1539 on: Today at 09:40:45 pm »
Right. Blame Trump. Everyone does.

(Jimmy Kimmel had the chance to walk it back and didn't.)
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