Charlie Kirk shot

[DB]

It is when outside pressure is applied

That MAGA is embracing and excusing censorship isn't surprising to me. It's easy to support free expression and oppose cancel culture when the "other" team is engaging in it

Ive learned over the years that when someone says "I'm  for free speech, but..." it means they are for free speech as long as they approve of what's being said

Cancel culture exists on both sides of the political spectrum so it seems

Next up,  MAGA demands the reinstatement of the so called "Fairness Doctrine" which was rightfully repealed during the Reagan Administration

Actually, two large ABC network affiliates with hundreds of stations refused to air the show after what he said. Those stations now plan to replace that time slot with a tribute to Charlie Kirk.

That was the end of Kimmel.

[Cyber Liberty]

Is this a standard for broadcast news or comedians @Canuck Conservative ??

Since 1934, broadcasters have been required to broadcast "in the public interest."  Outright lying is not in the public interest , and "Comedy" doesn't get an exception.  We've been reminded of the reason for that in the past week or so.   

[Smokin Joe]

Seems first thing 'Jody Foster' would do would be to check Tyler's and Zinn's communication history on their phones, laptops and gaming consoles to see if it was similar.

Syntax... there is a pattern to people's sentence construction, terminology, even typos you would expect to be consistent.

[Smokin Joe]

I say pop a cap in him and be done.

I mean, providing he is convicted... I ain't much for keeping murderers and rapists around. I mean, I get it when I guy finds his wife in the sack with his neighbor... I get why he might kill em both... and I can have some empathy there.

But cold blooded murder... Nope.

Same with rape... I can get date rape, where there might be mixed signals... but cold calculated rape of a stranger...

There just ain't no call to keep that around.

It ain't vengeance. Don't care to torture em, with an eye for an eye and all that. Just make em quit suckin air, and that's that.

Now,I get that keeping them alive, they might come to find their savior and try to make amends, and all that...

Well, they better pray fast, because they have till morning.

Some people work better under pressure.

[Smokin Joe]

The process speeds up immensely when...like McVeigh...you drop all appeals to your sentence and tell the normal bleeding-heart groups not to file an appeal on your behalf.

There remain a lot of questions about that event. John Does... missing video, other explosive devices, damage to the building inconsistent with the location and type of explosive. Andreas Strassmeier, Eloihim City, Carol Howe...rumors of whitewater documents in the building... ATF not showing up for work that day...
>poof< it all went away when McVeigh got the needle.

[Smokin Joe]

White heterosexual Christian males of Western European descent don't have civil rights.  Obama abolished them.

Obama set race relations back at least 50 years, and frankly, they are the worst they've been in my lifetime.

[Sighlass]

Obama set race relations back at least 50 years, and frankly, they are the worst they've been in my lifetime.

Obama: "Trayvon Martin could of been me." "You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"

Obama put his thumb on the scale big time against George Zimmerman. Just as he tried to do with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr (because he used a screwdriver to open his door and took offense to police actually questioning him and he resisted arrest).

Honestly, I wouldn't want to fight a false charge and the President at the same time. Zimmerman barely squeezed though the mashing he took from all sides.

[Sighlass]

Matt Walsh hits it on the nail (you can skip the first 6 minutes to get to the meat)...

Difference between the cancel culture the left left engages in vs the  canceling the right is now doing after Kirk's murder.

Point two... difference of free speech left vs right...

Very important points...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9T3ODZ4vno

[Cyber Liberty]

Obama: "Trayvon Martin could of been me." "You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"

Obama put his thumb on the scale big time against George Zimmerman. Just as he tried to do with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr (because he used a screwdriver to open his door and took offense to police actually questioning him and he resisted arrest).

Honestly, I wouldn't want to fight a false charge and the President at the same time. Zimmerman barely squeezed though the mashing he took from all sides.

Let's not forget Pam Bondi put her thumb on the Zimmerman scale too.  I haven't forgotten it.

[Canuck Conservative]

Is this a standard for broadcast news or comedians??

It's a condition for getting the broadcast license from the Govt. in the first place.

Govt. recognizes (correctly) that broadcasters have an outsized influence on Society and public opinion, so they make sure that they only get a license on condition that they do not deliberately lie to the Public.

Jimmy Kimmel, as an employee of ABC, violated that condition by deliberately telling a lie. Now ABC is in trouble because of it, so they have every right to discipline/fire that troublesome employee. Plus, his ratings sucked.

And it's NOT "cancel culture", it's Consequence Culture. Don't lie, and you won't get fired. Duh.

(**BTW, Kimmel is reportedly so ticked off, he wants to get out of his contract with ABC and "go elsewhere", LOL)

[txradioguy]

There remain a lot of questions about that event. John Does... missing video, other explosive devices, damage to the building inconsistent with the location and type of explosive. Andreas Strassmeier, Eloihim City, Carol Howe...rumors of whitewater documents in the building... ATF not showing up for work that day...
>poof< it all went away when McVeigh got the needle.

Funny how that works 

[bigheadfred]

Anyone remember when ABC cancelled Roseanne Barr when she made a tweet comparing Val Jar jar (Valerie Jarret) to an ape?

[verga]

ABC Pulls 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' After Backlash Charlie Kirk Comments
Story at Variety:  https://t.co/41gX5a6vMn

Kimmel is a pig. He can say whatever he likes, but I don't have to watch or purchase from his advertisers.

[LMAO]

Anyone remember when ABC cancelled Roseanne Barr when she made a tweet comparing Val Jar jar (Valerie Jarret) to an ape?

Yes, I do remember that

And I remember telling people that she didn’t lose her show because of what she said. She lost it because of who she said it about. If she were to say that about Clarence Thomas, she would’ve still had her show.


Reading the cheering on of censorship on this thread is very alarming. Despite the attempts to church it up, you all still are supporting censorship


 And I have no doubt that if this was a Democrat administration doing what Trump and his supporters are doing to opinions that they don’t like to hear, you all would be agreeing with me


But there seems to be a lot, and not just on this issue, but a lot of overlooking and cheering on many things that Donald Trump is doing that would never be allowed from a Democrat administration. I haven’t changed. I’m still the same Goldwater type conservative that I’ve always been. You all have changed because you’re afraid to be critical of Donald Trump.


What’s to stop the next Democrat administration  to cancel people like Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro for “spreading lies and hate?” You all are short-term thinkers  because you believe you’ll have this power forever. I can just about guarantee that the next administration will be a Democrat one.

So now both the left and the right are engaged in cancel culture. And this is why I voted for the libertarian candidate in 2024.


You all sound just like liberal college students who try to silence conservative voices on campus. I never thought I would ever hear from a republican administration an attorney general, threatening to go after hate speech that doesn’t exist.


And I know you all believe that your cause of censorship is noble. You don’t think that the left believes the same thing? From what I’ve been reading about this Charlie Kirk murder, he was stopping hate. There was just some hate, in his mind, that was non-negotiable.

[LMAO]

I don’t care for Jimmy Kimmel’s politics

I can honestly say I’ve never watched one show of his

But that doesn’t mean I want him silenced

I just choose not to watch his program. And what he said was very much a belief in left-wing circles that the shooter was a Trump supporter. He wasn’t advocating violence. He just said something that hurt MAGA feelings

[Canuck Conservative]

He just said something that hurt MAGA feelings

He deliberately lied. There are consequences for lying.

There were multiple news conferences that detailed Tyler Robinson's left-wing beliefs and hatred of MAGA ... Kimmel ignored all those facts, and used his position of influence to deliberately lie to the Public. In the wake of an assassination, the last thing ABC needed was for one of their employees to pour gas on the fire.

All Kimmel had to do was STFU for a few weeks, talk about something else till the heat passed, and he would still be working.

But he was too stupid and unprofessional to do that ... to immature to control himself.

Now he's so pissed at ABC, he wants out of his contract ... ABC must be thanking their stars for a chance to finally get rid of this no-talent troublemaker!!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I don’t care for Jimmy Kimmel’s politics

I can honestly say I’ve never watched one show of his

But that doesn’t mean I want him silenced

I just choose not to watch his program. And what he said was very much a belief in left-wing circles that the shooter was a Trump supporter. He wasn’t advocating violence. He just said something that hurt MAGA feelings

He Lied

[LMAO]

See the pushback I’m getting… Lol

Not for what I said. But who I said it about. I would not be getting this pushback if I was talking about the Harris administration or the Biden administration.


Such as the state of our politics today. All tribal.

I would not change my mind when it comes to censorship, regardless who’s in the White House even if I did vote for that person


Unfortunately, too many adjust their political positions, not based on principles, but personalities and we’re seeing that here


Because I know for a fact that if it was Rachel Maddow that was murdered for her political beliefs and a Democrat administration and left were calling to cancel people like Jesse Watters or Greg Gutfeld, the howls on this forum would be epic


We are in a very dangerous position in this country.  How close are we to Canada or Europe were you can’t even be critical of Muslims without facing arrest?


I have relatives on the left so I get a good perspective on how they think. And they’re just like everybody here. They are more accommodating to Democrat politicians than they are republican politicians for doing some of the same things.

[Canuck Conservative]

Former late-night comedian Jimmy Kimmel

Has Kimmel ever actually said anything funny?

Should read "alleged comedian Jimmy Kimmel"

[mystery-ak]

As of now please post Kimmel news here

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=568903.new#new

[jmyrlefuller]

Is this a standard for broadcast news or comedians @Canuck Conservative ??

everything.  I remember looking into college radio 20 years ago and that part was very clear in the station rules and that it came from the FCC. Disseminating a hoax over licensed airwaves is a revocable offense.

[bilo]

I just don't get this idea that free speech is being limited. No one has been stopped from standing in the public and saying whatever they want. It is when someone says something in their place of employment, or social media, that their employment has been ended. Every employer should have the ability to protect the image, or character, of their enterprise.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1968491283342573895

[txradioguy]

everything.  I remember looking into college radio 20 years ago and that part was very clear in the station rules and that it came from the FCC. Disseminating a hoax over licensed airwaves is a revocable offense.

It's still the same today.

[Lando Lincoln]

https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1968491283342573895

I can’t fathom that kind or depth of hate. It surrounds us - we all have people in our orbit who feel that way even if we are not aware of it.

[bigheadfred]

Yes, I do remember that

And I remember telling people that she didn’t lose her show because of what she said. She lost it because of who she said it about. If she were to say that about Clarence Thomas, she would’ve still had her show.


Reading the cheering on of censorship on this thread is very alarming. Despite the attempts to church it up, you all still are supporting censorship


 And I have no doubt that if this was a Democrat administration doing what Trump and his supporters are doing to opinions that they don’t like to hear, you all would be agreeing with me


But there seems to be a lot, and not just on this issue, but a lot of overlooking and cheering on many things that Donald Trump is doing that would never be allowed from a Democrat administration. I haven’t changed. I’m still the same Goldwater type conservative that I’ve always been. You all have changed because you’re afraid to be critical of Donald Trump.


What’s to stop the next Democrat administration  to cancel people like Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro for “spreading lies and hate?” You all are short-term thinkers  because you believe you’ll have this power forever. I can just about guarantee that the next administration will be a Democrat one.

So now both the left and the right are engaged in cancel culture. And this is why I voted for the libertarian candidate in 2024.


You all sound just like liberal college students who try to silence conservative voices on campus. I never thought I would ever hear from a republican administration an attorney general, threatening to go after hate speech that doesn’t exist.


And I know you all believe that your cause of censorship is noble. You don’t think that the left believes the same thing? From what I’ve been reading about this Charlie Kirk murder, he was stopping hate. There was just some hate, in his mind, that was non-negotiable.

Here's the quote from ABC    @LMAO  Stop gas lighting us.


Robert Iger
@RobertIger
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From Channing Dungey, President of ABC Entertainment: "Roseanne's Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show."
There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing."
12:01 PM · May 29, 2018

[Wingnut]

Iger was a putz.  Under is leadership Disney/ABC descended into the shithole

[bigheadfred]

https://twitter.com/swamp_ist/status/1968505481221026218

[DefiantMassRINO]

I can't wait for Iger's and JJ Abrams' Muppets  / Marvel Universe / Star Wars / Disney crossover franchise of movies.  They'll have a Black Swan play Big Bird ... Miss Piggy will no longer be fat-shamed ... Darth Vader's uniform will be white ... Ru Paul will be Princess Leia ... for diversity, reparations, and stuff.

Iger was a putz.  Under is leadership Disney/ABC descended into the shithole

[jmyrlefuller]

I can't wait for Iger's and JJ Abrams' Muppets  / Marvel Universe / Star Wars / Disney crossover franchise of movies.  They'll have a Black Swan play Big Bird ... Miss Piggy will no longer be fat-shamed ... Darth Vader's uniform will be white ... Ru Paul will be Princess Leia ... for diversity, reparations, and stuff.

And the unnecessary, even more politically correct "live-action" (CGI) remake ten years later.

[bigheadfred]

JD Vance
@JDVance
Everyone please congratulate @marcorubio
, the new host of ABC's late night show!
6:10 AM · Sep 18, 2025
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[mountaineer]

Is it really so hard to understand that ABC suspending Kimmel's show is not censorship and has nothing to do with "free speech" or the First Amendment?

He made a defamatory, false, offensive statement in the wake of a horrendous and tragic event, and refused to walk it back. A number of ABC affiliates said they won't broadcast the show, which ABC knew would be bad for business. ABC also knows it's bad for business to publish libelous comments on its network.

CBS is ending Colbert's show because it's losing money. It's losing money because he isn't funny, and all he does is say, "F*** Trump." Kimmel followed Colbert's stellar example. He has a very low-rated show, in part because it's too much anti-Trump politics and not enough humor and entertainment. Kimmel, Colbert and Myers should sit down and watch 24 hours straight of Johnny Carson, and then another 24 hours of Jay Leno, to see how it's supposed to be done.

When the American public told Bud Light we don't want to buy your beer because your spokesman is a disgusting freak and you're pushing the transgender agenda, the company responded by adopting a new ad campaign (football, manly guys, etc.). More analogous to what's happened with Kimmel than anything even remotely resembling censorship.

[bigheadfred]

Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
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The national media being more upset at Jimmy Kimmel losing his show than they are Charlie Kirk losing his life is kind of proving the point.

[mountaineer]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
Jimmy Kimmel isn't funny
10:49 PM · Oct 5, 2017

Even less so today, Charlie. 

[240B]

Robinson originally contacted his roommate on Sept. 10, the day of the shooting, and told him to "drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard." It was there that the roommate found a note in their St. George apartment that read, "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to take it.”

The roommate immediately responded, “What?????????????? You’re joking, right????”

Below is a transcript of the remaining conversation between the two:

• Robinson: I am still ok my love, but am stuck in orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn’t be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.
• Roommate: you weren’t the one who did it right????
• Robinson: I am, I’m sorry
• Roommate: I thought they caught the person?
• Robinson: no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. Its quiet, almost enough to get out, but theres one vehicle lingering.
• Roommate: Why?
• Robinson: Why did I do it?
• Roommate: Yeah
• Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it.
• Roommate: How long have you been planning this?
• Robinson: a bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don’t wanna chance it
• Robinson: I’m wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. … I’m worried what my old man would do if I didn’t bring back grandpas rifle … idek if it had a serial number, but it wouldn’t trace to me. I worry about prints I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. didn’t have the ability or time to bring it with. … I might have to abandon it and hope they don’t find prints. how the f___ will I explain losing it to my old man. …
• only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. …
• remember how I was engraving bullets? The f_____ messages are mostly a big meme, if I see “notices bulge uwu” on fox new I might have a stroke alright im gonna have to leave it, that really f______ sucks. … judging from today I’d say grandpas gun does just fine idk. I think that was a $2k scope ;-;
• Robinson: delete this exchange
• Robinson: my dad wants photos of the rifle … he says grandpa wants to know who has what, the feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. Hes calling me rn, not answering.
• Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.
• Robinson: Im gonna turn myself in willingly, one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
• Robinson: you are all I worry about love
• Roommate: I’m much more worried about you
• Robinson: don’t talk to the media please. don’t take any interviews or make any comments. … if any police ask you questions ask for a lawyer and stay silent

https://www.fox13now.com/news/shooting-of-charlie-kirk/transcript-reveals-robinsons-alleged-confession-to-shooting-kirk-in-messages-to-roommate

Tyrus brought this up and it made me think. Several people have noted that based on the messages between Robinson and his 'love', the lover seems to be in the high-ground position. Robinson is in the supplicant role. This means that it was Robinson who was pursuing him. The lover seems ambivalent to the whole thing. The message exchange is very one-sided.

The question raised is: Did Robinson do what he did as a stunt to impress the guy he was in love with?  A guy who did not 'love' him back?

The texts are all very one sided with Robinson declaring his 'love' and the other guy thinking 'What the hell is wrong with you!!'. Robinson keeps texting and texting but does not get a reply. I think based on the messages the 'lover' roommate was scared to death. He want to get away from Robinson as quickly and as far as possible.

Was Robinson just peacocking to impress a guy who did not feel the same about him? Something to think about ...

[Smokin Joe]

It's a condition for getting the broadcast license from the Govt. in the first place.

Govt. recognizes (correctly) that broadcasters have an outsized influence on Society and public opinion, so they make sure that they only get a license on condition that they do not deliberately lie to the Public.

Jimmy Kimmel, as an employee of ABC, violated that condition by deliberately telling a lie. Now ABC is in trouble because of it, so they have every right to discipline/fire that troublesome employee. Plus, his ratings sucked.

And it's NOT "cancel culture", it's Consequence Culture. Don't lie, and you won't get fired. Duh.

(**BTW, Kimmel is reportedly so ticked off, he wants to get out of his contract with ABC and "go elsewhere", LOL)

Go elsewhere? Some rather unChristian suggestions come to mind...

[Smokin Joe]

Yes, I do remember that

And I remember telling people that she didn’t lose her show because of what she said. She lost it because of who she said it about. If she were to say that about Clarence Thomas, she would’ve still had her show.


Reading the cheering on of censorship on this thread is very alarming. Despite the attempts to church it up, you all still are supporting censorship


 And I have no doubt that if this was a Democrat administration doing what Trump and his supporters are doing to opinions that they don’t like to hear, you all would be agreeing with me


But there seems to be a lot, and not just on this issue, but a lot of overlooking and cheering on many things that Donald Trump is doing that would never be allowed from a Democrat administration. I haven’t changed. I’m still the same Goldwater type conservative that I’ve always been. You all have changed because you’re afraid to be critical of Donald Trump.


What’s to stop the next Democrat administration  to cancel people like Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro for “spreading lies and hate?” You all are short-term thinkers  because you believe you’ll have this power forever. I can just about guarantee that the next administration will be a Democrat one.

So now both the left and the right are engaged in cancel culture. And this is why I voted for the libertarian candidate in 2024.


You all sound just like liberal college students who try to silence conservative voices on campus. I never thought I would ever hear from a republican administration an attorney general, threatening to go after hate speech that doesn’t exist.


And I know you all believe that your cause of censorship is noble. You don’t think that the left believes the same thing? From what I’ve been reading about this Charlie Kirk murder, he was stopping hate. There was just some hate, in his mind, that was non-negotiable.

Censorship? By whom?

I do not think the Government should censor any but the most egregious obscenities and violence, if that. There are limits to what we want children to see, and adults can make up their own minds. But I don't want even cartoons of explicit sex acts to be shown to 5 year olds, for instance. As for lies, they are provable.

People are out there celebrating the murder of a man they disagreed with.
Think about that, because murder is the ultimate censorship.

If the places of employment no longer wish to be associated with people who have very publicly celebrated Charlie Kirk's (or anyone else's) murder, that is their Right, to terminate the employer/employee relationship if the image the employee is presenting is contrary to corporate policy or even  just detrimental to the bottom line. In that case, the employee can be fired for cause, even over something they have done on their own time (especially if wearing company livery when they did so).

This is a predictable consequence of taking their particular viewpoint publicly, because it affects their employers.
They have a right to say what they want, but no one said it will not have consequences. Maybe they can work somewhere that agrees with them.

[Smokin Joe]

I just don't get this idea that free speech is being limited. No one has been stopped from standing in the public and saying whatever they want. It is when someone says something in their place of employment, or social media, that their employment has been ended. Every employer should have the ability to protect the image, or character, of their enterprise.

And there it is!

[Bigun]

I can’t fathom that kind or depth of hate. It surrounds us - we all have people in our orbit who feel that way even if we are not aware of it.

In my case those kinds of people do not remain in my orbit very long. I don't run them off; they leave of their own accord.

[MeganC]

They have a right to say what they want, but no one said it will not have consequences. Maybe they can work somewhere that agrees with them.

I'm sure there's got to be a coffee shop in Seattle that's hiring.