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« Reply #900 on: September 12, 2025, 08:38:40 pm »
Quote from: 240B on September 12, 2025, 08:09:05 pm
Whoever took the shot missed. Whether the kid was some kind of Crooks style pasty. And a real professional made the actual shot, there is not any "professional assassin" who would aim for the neck.

An untrained amature kid (Robinson) is more likely to go for a head shot, and it missed low. A standard 'center mass' shot is called for in this scenario, and it missed high and to the right. Either way it was a missed shot which happened to be good enough by chance. I have never heard of any marksman saying, 'Hey watch this. I'm going for a neck shot.' That just never happens.

No conclusions. No ideas. Just talking.

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« Reply #901 on: September 12, 2025, 08:39:04 pm »
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« Reply #902 on: September 12, 2025, 08:39:25 pm »
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« Reply #903 on: September 12, 2025, 08:39:49 pm »
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« Reply #907 on: September 12, 2025, 08:46:27 pm »
Shooting downhill (in this case around 30+ feet higher) causes a shot to usually be higher on mark.... some say it is easier to shoot uphill than downhill. So his point of aim was probable center mass.
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« Reply #912 on: September 12, 2025, 08:55:45 pm »
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Point of clarification @roamer_1  The FBI didn't make any statements that it was an open sight rifle.

Either which way, the new FBI statement claims the scope, so I'll cede the point.  :beer:
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« Reply #930 on: September 12, 2025, 09:48:38 pm »
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I wonder if the the Deputy Sheriff father read his son his Miranda rights.
Likely not, but highly likely he taught his son to shoot.
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« Reply #932 on: September 12, 2025, 09:57:58 pm »
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Whoever took the shot missed. Whether the kid was some kind of Crooks style pasty. And a real professional made the actual shot, there is not any "professional assassin" who would aim for the neck.

An untrained amature kid (Robinson) is more likely to go for a head shot, and it missed low. A standard 'center mass' shot is called for in this scenario, and it missed high and to the right. Either way it was a missed shot which happened to be good enough by chance. I have never heard of any marksman saying, 'Hey watch this. I'm going for a neck shot.' That just never happens.

No conclusions. No ideas. Just talking.

Off the top of my head IIRC a 30-06 @ 200yds with a 100yd zero, could drop about 8"  bingo neck shot.

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« Reply #933 on: September 12, 2025, 10:06:29 pm »
The shooter's father was not in law enforcement, but construction.
The kid had hunted in the past with his dad. No word on whether this was a family-owned rifle or purchased by Robinson.
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« Reply #934 on: September 12, 2025, 10:27:45 pm »
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« Reply #935 on: September 12, 2025, 10:36:02 pm »
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« Reply #936 on: September 12, 2025, 10:38:38 pm »
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Are you sure?
As reported tonight on either Laura Ingraham or Jesse Watters.

Pretty sure it was on Watters' show.
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« Reply #937 on: September 12, 2025, 10:39:26 pm »
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As reported tonight on either Laura Ingraham or Jesse Watters.

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I mean this with all sincerity, watching Erika was one of the most powerful inspiring moments I think I ever witnessed in television history in my 66 years, and I’ve seen exceptional moments that also brought me to tears. From Billy Graham to Ronald Reagan.
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« Reply #941 on: September 13, 2025, 01:41:40 am »
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The shooter's father was not in law enforcement, but construction.
The kid had hunted in the past with his dad. No word on whether this was a family-owned rifle or purchased by Robinson.

He was in law enforcement, I assumed he went into construction after retiring from the Sheriffs Department.
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« Reply #942 on: September 13, 2025, 08:06:57 am »
About TMZ's lame explanation about its staffers laughing and cheering at a "car chase"...it was an obvious lie.

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Fox News Channel has announced the primetime special "Charlie Kirk: An American Original" will be hosted by Jesse Watters and air on Saturday at 7 p.m. ET.
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Charlie Kirk’s widow weeps over his casket in emotional photos: ‘You have no idea’

Charlie Kirk’s grieving widow shared a series of pictures of herself weeping over her slain husband’s casket in her first social media post since the conservative commentator was assassinated.



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« Reply #948 on: September 13, 2025, 10:14:25 am »
There was too much discussion on whether the shooter missed or hit where he was aiming to start at the beginning...so I'll add my comment here.

I think the kid was aiming for the victims head.

And because he was an amateur shooter what he didn't account for was the bullet drop at that distance.

At 200 yards it's somewhere around 3" for a .30-06 if memory serves.

I don't think the shooter took that into consideration.
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« Reply #949 on: September 13, 2025, 10:24:58 am »
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There was too much discussion on whether the shooter missed or hit where he was aiming to start at the beginning...so I'll add my comment here.

I think the kid was aiming for the victims head.

And because he was an amateur shooter what he didn't account for was the bullet drop at that distance.

At 200 yards it's somewhere around 3" for a .30-06 if memory serves.

I don't think the shooter took that into consideration.

I suppose we will never truly know unless the kid talks, which his lawyers will never allow him to do.

But you're pretty much right on. The standard drop for that round is about 4" at 200 yds., perhaps even a bit more (Win vs. Federal. vs. Remington, # of grains, etc.).

The shooting distance was approximately 175 yards, so it is entirely conceivable that he was going for a head shot.   Not that it matters, of course. The result is sadly the same.
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