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Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« on: July 07, 2025, 09:27:01 am »
Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated?
by David Catron

When Elon Musk started bellyaching about the “One Big Beautiful Bill” he revealed why his influence on the Trump administration was destined to be short-lived. Like most billionaires, he is accustomed to getting what he wants when and how he wants it. He has no patience with the excruciating political process and the necessary compromises that must be endured to produce a piece of legislation like the bill Trump signed into law on July 4. In this regard he has much in common with the late Ross Perot, whose destructive foray into national politics proved so disastrous for the Republican Party and the nation at large.

    Elon Musk’s proposed “America Party” doesn’t need to win any elections to have a profound effect on the balance of power in Washington.

Like Perot, Musk imagines himself as the savior who will free us from a profligate Washington establishment in which the two major parties often work together in order to maintain their monopoly on power. On July 5, Musk expressed this delusion on X as follows: “When it comes to bankrupting our country with waste & graft, we live in a one-party system, not a democracy.” Also like Perot, his “solution” involves forming a new political party that will offer the voters “genuine” choice beyond the two dominant parties. Perot founded the Reform Party and Musk insists he is deadly serious about launching the America Party.

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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2025, 09:28:53 am »
Is the Conservative-hating GOP of 1992 the same Conservative hating GOP of 2025?
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2025, 09:31:58 am »
There is a giant sucking sound....  Not sure where the sucking is coming from yet.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2025, 09:37:41 am »
The overlap between Musk's adherence politically is about 70/30 with MAGA. 

The real sucking sound is that vacuum fracturing Trump's electoral influence. And.....   I will say it again, if Musk gets traction, we basically will have become the UK, which gives the left some serious leverage.  Elon may have meant well, but he just helped the left more than any one person,.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2025, 11:10:21 am »
Perot was a native-born American.

Elon Musk is a Canuck-Boer mutt who needs to lay off the ketamine and other substances contributing to his delusions of grandeur.

It's one thing is he wants to self-destruct, but he is also destroying Tesla and its investors.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2025, 01:12:16 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 07, 2025, 09:28:53 am
Is the Conservative-hating GOP of 1992 the same Conservative hating GOP of 2025?

In 1992, the GOP president was George Bush Sr, who had just spent four years undoing Reagan policies and had broken his most important promise to the voters.  In 2025 the president is Donald Trump.

The situations are not the same. 
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2025, 02:11:12 pm »
One thing is sure: his new party will suck votes from the GOP, potentially swinging elections to the Democrats.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2025, 02:12:13 pm »
Quote from: BobfromWB on July 07, 2025, 02:11:12 pm
One thing is sure: his new party will suck votes from the GOP, potentially swinging elections to the Democrats.

Very likely true. 
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2025, 02:15:40 pm »
Quote from: BobfromWB on July 07, 2025, 02:11:12 pm
One thing is sure: his new party will suck votes from the GOP, potentially swinging elections to the Democrats.

So what do you think the GOP will do about it?  Assuage the concerns of their Conservative members?  Or demonize them?

I predict option 2.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2025, 03:24:16 pm »
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So what do you think the GOP will do about it?  Assuage the concerns of their Conservative members?  Or demonize them?

I predict option 2.

If conservatives could see the damage they do to their brand, how toxic they make it with crap like this ⬆️ , they would stop whining, embrace Reagan's philosophy of politics being about the possible, drop their superiority act ----  willingly join the best version of the Republican Party in their lifetime, and become part of the fighting force of 80 million ready to welcome them.

Or, they can continue their tantrum and help destroy the nation.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2025, 04:10:18 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 07, 2025, 02:15:40 pm
So what do you think the GOP will do about it?  Assuage the concerns of their Conservative members?  Or demonize them?

I predict option 2.

YEP.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2025, 04:12:59 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 07, 2025, 03:24:16 pm

willingly join the best version of the Republican Party in their lifetime, and become part of the fighting force of 80 million ready to welcome them.

Or, they can continue their tantrum and help destroy the nation.

3-5 TRILLLLLLION dollars MORE.

That is what is destroying the nation.

OF COURSE I will take no part in that.

EVER.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2025, 04:22:11 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 07, 2025, 04:10:18 pm
YEP.

That is always the easiest route.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2025, 05:31:36 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 07, 2025, 03:24:16 pm
If conservatives could see the damage they do to their brand, how toxic they make it with crap like this ⬆️ , they would stop whining, embrace Reagan's philosophy of politics being about the possible, drop their superiority act ----  willingly join the best version of the Republican Party in their lifetime, and become part of the fighting force of 80 million ready to welcome them.

Or, they can continue their tantrum and help destroy the nation.

What utter bullshit.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2025, 05:32:07 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 07, 2025, 04:12:59 pm
3-5 TRILLLLLLION dollars MORE.

That is what is destroying the nation.

You got that right.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2025, 05:44:45 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 07, 2025, 04:22:11 pm
That is always the easiest route.

OK, let's review, @Cyber Liberty

I went to bat for the GOP in 2008.  I said they would listen to Conservatives by not bailing out the Democrats for every shady thing they did with all that sub-prime mortgage crap.  But they bailed them out anyway.

I went to bat for them in 2010.  I said that they would challenge Obamacare in the courts the moment the 'tax' (per Roberts) took effect.  But they never challenged it.

I went to bat for them in 2015.  I said that now that they had control of both Houses of Congress, surely they would pass a budget and block funding on Obamacare and everything else he was pushing.  But they didn't.  They simply rubberstamped the Democrat budget from the prior year and tacked on obligatory increases for every department.

I went to bat for them in 2016.  I cheered on the grass roots movement by Ted Cruz, returning power to the people at the local level.  But I saw their chosen candidate rewrite the rules, cementing power at their central HQ.

I went to bat for them in 2020, volunteering my time at election recounts, only to watch the GOP run cover for what the Democrats did and forfeit three US Senate seats in the process.

And in 2025, I went to bat for them, cheering on DOGE and holding out hope that they had finally learned their lesson on funding the Democrat Party with taxpayer money.  Yet here we are again.  The GOP throwing a lifeline to the Democrat Party with another $2 trillion in deficit spending that they can use to win the next round of Congressional elections.

So tell me again why I should support the GOP?  I'm not the bad guy here.  They are.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2025, 05:50:55 pm »
Mr. Musk and his new party could throw the election to the leftists in 2028, ruining J.D. Vance's chances...
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2025, 05:53:02 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 07, 2025, 05:50:55 pm
Mr. Musk and his new party could throw the election to the leftists in 2028, ruining J.D. Vance's chances...

Maybe the GOP should have thought about that before kicking Musk to the curb.  Idiots.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2025, 05:53:19 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 07, 2025, 05:31:36 pm
What utter bullshit.

Says the poster child for "Make Conservatism Toxic". 
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2025, 05:56:23 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 07, 2025, 05:53:19 pm
Says the poster child for "Make Conservatism Toxic".

More bullshit.

But it is quite revealing to hear you describe the ideal of 'not spending money you don't have' as "toxic".
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2025, 06:01:03 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 07, 2025, 05:44:45 pm
OK, let's review, @Cyber Liberty

 ...

So tell me again why I should support the GOP?  I'm not the bad guy here.  They are.

I will not dispute your experience or your recollection.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2025, 06:03:28 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 07, 2025, 06:01:03 pm
I will not dispute your experience or your recollection.

I believe we share the same frustration.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2025, 06:04:10 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 07, 2025, 05:50:55 pm
Mr. Musk and his new party could throw the election to the leftists in 2028, ruining J.D. Vance's chances...

That's the plan.  Perot didn't expect to win in 1992, either, he just wanted Bush I to lose.  Musk wants us to lose as well.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2025, 06:05:36 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 07, 2025, 06:03:28 pm
I believe we share the same frustration.

We do.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2025, 06:20:31 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 07, 2025, 05:56:23 pm
More bullshit.

But it is quite revealing to hear you describe the ideal of 'not spending money you don't have' as "toxic".

No.. toxic is your childlike belief in things like just cutting spending will garner 80 million votes, that conservatives truly are smarter than a fifth grader, and the world's only super power should give the man who six years ago was playing the piano with his penis all the money and supplies he asks for because you read a Tom Clancy novel.
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Re: Is Elon Musk Ross Perot Reincarnated? by David Catron
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2025, 06:31:58 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 07, 2025, 06:20:31 pm
No.. toxic is your childlike belief in things like just cutting spending will garner 80 million votes

Never said that.


Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 07, 2025, 06:20:31 pm
that conservatives truly are smarter than a fifth grader

Never said that either.  But I wholeheartedly agree with it.  Because even a fifth grader can recognize the problem that arises when you print up money to fund government excesses for 16 years in a row.


Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 07, 2025, 06:20:31 pm
and the world's only super power should give the man who six years ago was playing the piano with his penis all the money and supplies he asks for because you read a Tom Clancy novel.

Never said that either.

Here you are again doing what you do best.  Lie.
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