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Or he has no idea what he's doing.

As in this third party foolishness.
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As in this third party foolishness.

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As in this third party foolishness.

Perzackly.  He really doesn't grasp the consequences of what he's trying to do.  He thinks it's the 1850's Whigs.
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I sense that John Fremont would be siding with Musk here.
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I'm not in the least bit excited about this. I think he's having a Perot moment.

Besides, I haven't seen the platform or who he will have running. I have read that Cuban and Scaramucci are on board. Not a resounding endorsement imho.

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I sense that John Fremont would be siding with Musk here.

Before or after being screwed by the Know Nothings?
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Before or after being screwed by the Know Nothings?

Before.  But an interesting parallel considering the Know Nothings closely resemble MAGA.
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"Subsidies" is an overused word.  It's like calling tax cuts "tax expenditures."

A rose by any other name will smell as sweet @Cyber Liberty  :laugh:  ..... Call it what you will, the government has been very, very good to and for Elon Musk ---

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An analysis by The Washington Post found that Musk and his firms have received $38 billion in the form of government contracts, loans, subsidies and tax credits over more than two decades that helped propel their growth.

The Post found that almost two-thirds of the $38 billion in funds were allocated to Musk's companies within the last five years. It added that in 2024, federal and local governments provided at least $6.3 billion to Musk's companies, the highest amount to date.

SpaceX has received at least $1 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies and tax credits each year since 2016, and between $2 billion and $4 billion a year from 2021 to 2024 – while Tesla has received over $1 billion a year since 2020, the Post found.

The outlet noted that the companies have likely received additional funding and contracts that aren't publicly disclosed, such as classified contracts for defense and intelligence activities.

Reuters previously reported that SpaceX received a Department of Defense contract to develop spy satellites.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the intelligence satellite contract is valued at $1.8 billion, according to company documents.

Federal spending and contract data show that since 2008, SpaceX has been awarded over $20 billion in government contracts and funding commitments, of which nearly $9 billion has been paid.

The Independent noted that the total value of those SpaceX contracts could rise to more than $89 billion if completed.

The critical role of SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft came up amid the Trump-Musk feud, as Musk replied in response to Trump's threat of canceling all his federal contracts and subsidies by suggesting the company would begin to immediately decommission the Dragon – which is the only operational U.S. spacecraft in operation capable of missions to the International Space Station.

Musk later backtracked on his retaliatory threat, saying SpaceX won't decommission the Dragon.


More:  https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/how-much-have-musks-tesla-spacex-benefited-from-government-funds


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I'm not in the least bit excited about this. I think he's having a Perot moment.

Besides, I haven't seen the platform or who he will have running. I have read that Cuban and Scaramucci are on board. Not a resounding endorsement imho.

I don't know about a Perot moment, but rather a 'Elon Musk' moment. I agree that more could have been accomplished with the BBB, but Congress holds the purse strings, not Trump.  That's what I think he fails to fully recognize.

Yes, Musk himself cannot run for president and as I've stated before, we have no idea who he is going to hire to run for president.  Sure, he has the money to out campaign anyone, but that doesn't exactly equate to votes. I agree; Cuban and Scaramucci on his team won't go over well.

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Very naive of Musk.  He really does not understand our political process, or he would not waste his time.  All his money will not make a 3rd viable political party.  Who is he going after?  What does he hope to accomplish when the two primary political parties are in cahoots with each other.

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A rose by any other name will smell as sweet @Cyber Liberty  :laugh:  ..... Call it what you will, the government has been very, very good to and for Elon Musk ---

Still waiting to see those subsidies, @Right_in_Virginia .  Actual subsides.  Not a repost from the Washington Post repeating the same claim as you without offering any evidence (just like you).


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1813112958157005259

Here is Musk saying we should do away with subsidies.  That is the subsidies that consumers receive.  Tesla doesn't get any direct subsidies.  Neither does SpaceX.  But I suspect you knew that already since you couldn't come up with any.  So now is the time for that integrity check.  Either withdraw your claim, or double down on the lie.  Your choice.
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I don't know about a Perot moment, but rather a 'Elon Musk' moment. I agree that more could have been accomplished with the BBB, but Congress holds the purse strings, not Trump.  That's what I think he fails to fully recognize.

We'll see what Trump does.  He doesn't have to spend the money.  Let's see if that $20 billion earmarked for USAID gets spent, or if it is still sitting in the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year.  Trump has a tremendous amount of power here to cut spending.  But by Musk's action, he must know that Trump has no intention of doing so.  And let's not forget the additional $110 billion to cover direct aid to illegals that Congress passed in December.  Trump was the biggest proponent of that.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Very naive of Musk.  He really does not understand our political process, or he would not waste his time.  All his money will not make a 3rd viable political party.  Who is he going after?  What does he hope to accomplish when the two primary political parties are in cahoots with each other.

I'll wait and see what develops. Everyone told him he was stupid to buy Twitter too - But that single action has done more than any other thing to break up the leftist stranglehold on media, and reverse the near universal censorship at work in the American Press.

Between that and his work in DOGE, claims of him being a liberal socialist or liberal-minded will fall on deaf ears. Liberals don't preserve freedom of the press. Liberals don't slash and burn government.

And you better believe he's a threat to the Republican status quo - To include this present administration. And that doesn't make him a liberal either.

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I'll wait and see what develops. Everyone told him he was stupid to buy Twitter too - But that single action has done more than any other thing to break up the leftist stranglehold on media, and reverse the near universal censorship at work in the American Press.

Between that and his work in DOGE, claims of him being a liberal socialist or liberal-minded will fall on deaf ears. Liberals don't preserve freedom of the press. Liberals don't slash and burn government.

And you better believe he's a threat to the Republican status quo - To include this present administration. And that doesn't make him a liberal either.
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Clearly, he's not in it for the money.  He must actually care about the financial future of this country.
Or he's on another autistic hyperfixation.
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