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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #200 on: July 09, 2025, 11:42:16 am »
So devastated she could barely manage the fake nails and fake lashes.

This wench called our Governor "Governor Hot Wheels"..... . Let her make a fool of herself.  She and AOC are our best GOTV tools we have.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #201 on: July 09, 2025, 01:45:48 pm »
'A ticking time bomb' | Retired weather expert says deadly Hill Country flooding was inevitable

Jeff Evans spent his entire career predicting severe weather and protecting those in its path. He called the deadly floods along the Guadalupe River inevitable.

Video at headline link
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #202 on: July 09, 2025, 03:02:31 pm »
Sen. Ted Cruz pictured at Parthenon on Greek vacay after devastating Texas floods killed at least 105 people
By Anthony Blair   
Published July 8, 2025, 7:16 p.m. ET

US Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) was pictured at the Parthenon in Greece, reportedly 24 hours after devastating floods hit the Hill Country of his home state, killing at least 105 people.

The photo came as Cruz said he flew back to Texas “as fast as humanly possible,” leaving Sunday and returning to the Lone Star State that night.

However, flight data show multiple earlier flights that could have gotten him home sooner.

Cruz’s office told The Post on Tuesday that he was on a pre-planned vacation with his family when the floods struck early July 4.

“Within hours, he spoke by phone with Governor [Greg] Abbott, Lt. Governor [Dan] Patrick, Texas emergency management director Nim Kidd, and President Trump, working to ensure that the maximum federal assets were available for search and rescue,” a spokesperson said.


Texas Sen. Ted Cruz sightseeing at the Parthenon in Greece on July 5 while his state was flooded.


“He and his team worked closely with local officials and with families of missing girls throughout that time. He promptly booked a flight back home. Given the time difference, he left Athens on Sunday morning and was back in Texas that night. And he was in Kerrville on the ground early Monday morning,” the statement continued, adding that he had returned home “as fast as humanly possible.”

There were multiple flights on Saturday from Athens to major US hubs that would have connected to San Antonio, near the floods — including planes to JFK, Newark, Chicago and Washington Dulles, according to flight data.

It isn’t known how many seats would have been available on those flights.

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If a significant portion of government employees had been 'working remotely', what is the problem with Cruz not showing up with a dog and pony show and trailing media to disrupt on the ground (and in the air) efforts to rescue and/or recover victims? The presence of one VIP could cost precious minutes for someone out there waiting to be discovered and rescued.I have little doubt he could make a few calls and set wheels in motion from afar without being physically present and gumming up the works. Get out of the way and let the people do their jobs.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #203 on: July 09, 2025, 03:06:52 pm »
The absence of Ted Cruz for one day is utterly irrelevant. This is just an excuse for the media to get their knickers in a twist.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #204 on: July 09, 2025, 03:07:17 pm »
'A ticking time bomb' | Retired weather expert says deadly Hill Country flooding was inevitable

Jeff Evans spent his entire career predicting severe weather and protecting those in its path. He called the deadly floods along the Guadalupe River inevitable.

Video at headline link
The next major earthquake in LA or San Francisco is inevitable, too. The question is one of when it will happen, and how bad it will be. The ability to integrate flow/water level data and basin geometry (hydrology), and predict downstream flood crests and timing exists, it just has not been implemented in a way that provides accurate and timely warnings that will jar someone out of a sleepy stupor at 4 AM in time for them to get to safety.

I can see having at least one flash flood drill for things like summer camps (where many of the kids are from elsewhere) per session so the kids are at least exposed to what to do and where to go if things start going badly.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #205 on: July 09, 2025, 03:09:00 pm »
So devastated she could barely manage the fake nails and fake lashes.
and the painted on lip gloss...
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #206 on: July 09, 2025, 03:37:29 pm »
119 confirmed dead..160 still missing
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #207 on: July 09, 2025, 04:55:46 pm »
The absence of Ted Cruz for one day is utterly irrelevant. This is just an excuse for the media to get their knickers in a twist.



My thoughts exactly.

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« Reply #208 on: July 09, 2025, 05:58:03 pm »
The absence of Ted Cruz for one day is utterly irrelevant. This is just an excuse for the media to get their knickers in a twist.

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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #212 on: July 09, 2025, 08:35:58 pm »
NASA sends specialized aircraft, technology to aid Texas flood search and recovery operations
High-altitude WB-57 and UAVSAR technology deployed to accelerate emergency response after July Fourth disaster
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Published July 9, 2025 5:35pm EDT

In the wake of the catastrophic July Fourth floods that barreled through south central Texas, claiming 119 lives and leaving nearly 200 people missing, NASA dispatched two aircraft to aid local recovery efforts and search and rescue operations.

NASA's high-altitude WB-57 aircraft took off from Ellington Field Joint Reserve Base in Houston on Tuesday, and will conduct aerial surveys using its DyNAMITE (Day/Night Airborne Motion Imager for Terrestrial Environments) sensor.

The sensor will take high-resolution photos of the Guadalupe River and several miles of the surrounding area, which could accelerate emergency response times.


A NASA WB-57 plane will be assessing flood damage and aiding with recovery efforts after catastrophic flooding in Texas.

The aircraft are responding as part of NASA’s Disasters Response Coordination System, which was activated to support the flood emergency response in coordination with the Texas Division of Emergency Management, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and humanitarian groups.

"Persistent cloud-cover has made it difficult to obtain clear satellite imagery, so the Disasters Program coordinated with NASA’s Airborne Science Program at NASA’s Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston to conduct a series of flights to gather observations of the impacted regions," according to a NASA statement.

Officials said the data will be provided to response teams and aid in rescue efforts and resource allocation.

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #213 on: July 09, 2025, 11:39:54 pm »
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #214 on: July 09, 2025, 11:44:17 pm »
These girls are the same age as my granddaughters. Oh sweet Jesus, have mercy on us. This is too hard.

He's helping little ones get settled...but rest assured He still has an eye on us @deb    happy77






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« Reply #215 on: July 10, 2025, 09:12:43 am »
The Clintons, wanting to do to Texas what they did in Haiti:


She doesn't need another $10 million wedding, so it can't be that ...  :pondering:

Meanwhile, Samaritan's Purse has shown up and gotten to work:

https://twitter.com/chiproytx/status/1943086734415122759
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #218 on: July 10, 2025, 04:40:11 pm »
Continued prayers for Texas.  (Sen. Ted Cruz Interview)

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #220 on: July 10, 2025, 06:09:49 pm »
Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but I read elsewhere today that this same youth camp had been subject to a bad flood back in 1987...
...and then rebuilt in the same place...
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« Reply #221 on: July 10, 2025, 06:16:13 pm »
Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but I read elsewhere today that this same youth camp had been subject to a bad flood back in 1987...
...and then rebuilt in the same place...
(correction welcomed)

I believe you are correct, though I'm not sure that Camp Mystic was entirely washed away in 1987.  That area is definitely prone to flooding, and I'm sure it is an absolutely beautiful area, but obviously it was a mistake to rebuild or repair a camp so close to the river.

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« Reply #222 on: July 10, 2025, 08:24:49 pm »
Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but I read elsewhere today that this same youth camp had been subject to a bad flood back in 1987...
...and then rebuilt in the same place...
(correction welcomed)

Exactly correct.


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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #223 on: July 10, 2025, 08:50:38 pm »
   This area of Texas has been dealing with Flash Floods from millenniums ago.  Even before the COE built the Canyon Lake damn in 60. 

   It's unfortunate that this has to happen every 10 years or so. 
   Maybe if the NWS hadn't spent all the $$$ on climate change BS we would be able to install active monitors on all the Rivers
   that threaten the life of people throughout the US. 
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #224 on: July 10, 2025, 10:16:16 pm »
   This area of Texas has been dealing with Flash Floods from millenniums ago.  Even before the COE built the Canyon Lake damn in 60. 

   It's unfortunate that this has to happen every 10 years or so. 
   Maybe if the NWS hadn't spent all the $$$ on climate change BS we would be able to install active monitors on all the Rivers
   that threaten the life of people throughout the US.

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« Reply #225 on: July 10, 2025, 10:21:10 pm »
The sad fact is that the entire fedgov is so F'd up now I doubt it can be fixed. WE have become a nation of Don Quixotes. Forever tilting at windmills.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #229 on: July 11, 2025, 04:49:02 pm »
24 minutes ago
Trump calls reporter 'evil' for asking about alerts before flood
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The president bashed a Texas-based reporter for asking at the roundtable about what he would say to families who think more people could have been saved.

A local CBS reporter asked for the president’s response to families who are upset because alerts didn’t go out in time ahead of the flood.

“Well I think everybody did an incredible job under the circumstances,” Trump said.

He added, “I just have admiration for the job that everybody did. There’s just admiration. The eh– only a bad person would ask a question like that, to be honest with you. I don’t know who you are. But only a very evil person would ask a question like that.”

The president continued to thank the first responders for their recovery efforts after the floods.

“I think this has been heroism, this has been incredible, really, the job you’ve all done. It’s easy to sit back and think oh what could have happened here or there, maybe we could have done something differently,” Trump said.
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« Reply #230 on: July 11, 2025, 04:50:14 pm »
First lady expresses 'deepest sympathy'
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First lady Melania Trump extended her “deepest sympathy” to those impacted by the deadly flooding in Texas during a visit to the affected areas on Friday.

“My deepest sympathy to all of the parents who lost beautiful young souls,” the first lady said during a roundtable with state and local officials. “Deepest sympathies from all of us to the community, to everybody who lost a loved one. We are grieving with you. Our nation is grieving with you.”

The first lady said she and the president spoke with community members, hugged them and prayed with them during a tour of the damage.
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« Reply #234 on: July 11, 2025, 06:23:46 pm »
Watching the presser, I must say I was a little concerned about DJT. In the beginning his color wasn't good and he didn't speak like he usually does. It must have been the heat and humidity. He sounded better later and didn't look so pale.


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« Reply #236 on: July 11, 2025, 09:48:03 pm »
The next major earthquake in LA or San Francisco is inevitable, too. The question is one of when it will happen, and how bad it will be. The ability to integrate flow/water level data and basin geometry (hydrology), and predict downstream flood crests and timing exists, it just has not been implemented in a way that provides accurate and timely warnings that will jar someone out of a sleepy stupor at 4 AM in time for them to get to safety.

I can see having at least one flash flood drill for things like summer camps (where many of the kids are from elsewhere) per session so the kids are at least exposed to what to do and where to go if things start going badly.
All of that puts this tragedy in perspective


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« Reply #237 on: July 11, 2025, 09:50:20 pm »
All of that puts this tragedy in perspective


Why would any sane person live near an active fault zone knowing it might kill their family at any day?

And how is that different than tornados or hurricanes?

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« Reply #238 on: July 11, 2025, 09:53:22 pm »
And how is that different than tornados or hurricanes?

Or blizzards or forest fires?

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All of that puts this tragedy in perspective


Why would any sane person live near an active fault zone knowing it might kill their family at any day?
I don't know.

I am content to live where I do because of the relative lack of regulations and goofy laws (compared to what happened to where I grew up in MD). Every place has its quirks, but these, here, I find acceptable.

It has the added benefits of low seismicity (max recorded:4.4 near Huff, ND, in 1968, absolutely not related to fraccing), no recent (as in 600 million + years) volcanic activity, although there have been some significant ash layering events (from elsewhere), no Hurricanes. Yes, the occasional tornado, wildfires (on the prairie, known to cover miles in a couple of hours and burn off everything in the way, but attenuated by agriculture), and Winter (with a capital 'W'). Some areas are prone to flooding (Red River Valley), where I live is not (other side of the state). The worst largest natural event was the Laurentide Glaciation and subsequent melt off, which changed the former northward course of the Missouri River, and turned it South to eventually join the Mississippi. That happened thousands of years ago, although some places are subject to flooding if all the holes line up in the swiss cheese. Thankfully, here, in summer (if the Canadians aren't sending their smoke here), you can see the sky well enough to anticipate severe weather events in summer, when we have up to 16 hours of daylight. Wall cloud formation, severe thunderheads, squall lines and supercells are visible for miles and there is time to get to shelter. You just have to pay attention; it becomes habit.

Thankfully, work led me here, the people (including, perhaps especially, Mrs. Joe) kept me here.

It isn't for everyone, but nowhere is.

Winter can kill: I have known four people who froze to death in the last 40 years, and because of that, this environment demands that you pay attention to the details, because it is the little things that can get you killed. Knowing that, in the worst conditions I have driven in (normally 'road closed' conditions elsewhere), the objective is to get there, and if that means it takes twice as long as normal, so be it. Speed kills and all that,  but you are prepared to spend a couple of days in your vehicle if things go badly, and know better than to try to walk somewhere for help if you get stuck. You always drive on the top half of the tank (1/2 tank is time to fill up) and never leave town without topping off first. Nowadays, you keep the phone charged and carry an auxiliary power bank, because being able to be pinged might make the difference between rescue and recovery if you are off the main road. Forty below gear, a heat source and high calorie low residual food round out the kit.

We may not have the obvious stunning vistas seen elsewhere (the result of recent/ongoing tectonic or volcanic activity), but I can visit those.
The roads here were built where it was easiest to do so--the flattest and smoothest topography that would get one there. Even the roads through the badlands here were built for utility, not scenery. Get off the main roads and the topography can be very impressive even if not ten thousand feet high.

I have come to appreciate the difficulty inherent in crossing it with wheeled vehicles (even wagons drawn by oxen and mules) and fully understand why the natives south of the ice extent eschewed the wheel. It simply was not as versatile in that terrain as horses and travois, or even being on foot, letting the dogs carry packs. Further north and east, where the ice sheets had been, the high wheeled Red River carts had their place; in the badlands (south of the glacial extent) they did not. Imagine the gullies and canyons cut by the melt water from a two mile thick ice sheet, some backed up until the Missouri found a new outlet south of the Ice. A complex and fascinating landscape.

Every place I have ever been, even the most seemingly desolate landscapes I have been, I have seen natural beauty--it's there if you look for it and focus on what you see, not what you do not, (with the general exception of urban areas where there seems to be little below the 4th floor; it has all been paved over).

Add in the tendency for iron objects to survive (vehicles from the 30s and 40s, while being gleaned from the tree rows, survive, and much older iron can be found) and cars last longer here. Another plus, IMHO, because I am a fan of older vehicles. About the time that @sneakypete passed, I was ready to ship him a radiator for his old International, the '39 I had would have fit. Unfortunately he left here before I could (The truck has since been sold along with three others (different marques and years) I cannot realistically expect to have the time and resources to restore. I retain a few other projects). But these survive here.

Every place has its balance sheet of plusses and minuses, and it depends on the priorities of the individual what is an attractive place to live. For some, ignoring the threat of an eruption or an earthquake is easy because climate and scenery and other things they seek are readily at hand. Again, priorities. As for me, I have what I need at a spiritual level, and feel closer to The Almighty as a result. That works for me. To each their own.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis