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Members of Donald Trump's MAGA base rushed to embrace the president following his announcement that he ordered strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities – while a House Republican came forward to call it unlawful.

'This is not Constitutional,' wrote Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who Trump has called to be thrown out of office over his opposition to his 'big, beautiful bill' for adding to the nation's accumulated debt.




I am sorry, but I do not consider Rep Thomas Massie as a TOP REPUBLICAN.  MSN goes out of their way to place significance to this lowly discontent, and distort the simple truth.  There should be repercussions for this false reporting.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republican-turns-on-trump-after-unconstitutional-strikes/ar-AA1HaLgz?ocid=winp1taskbar&pc=test&cvid=362c5e85728249f3ea222c3d42cea04d&ei=14

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2025, 04:52:58 am »
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Members of Donald Trump's MAGA base rushed to embrace the president following his announcement that he ordered strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities – while a House Republican came forward to call it unlawful.

'This is not Constitutional,' wrote Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who Trump has called to be thrown out of office over his opposition to his 'big, beautiful bill' for adding to the nation's accumulated debt.




I am sorry, but I do not consider Rep Thomas Massie as a TOP REPUBLICAN.  MSN goes out of their way to place significance to this lowly discontent, and distort the simple truth.  There should be repercussions for this false reporting.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-republican-turns-on-trump-after-unconstitutional-strikes/ar-AA1HaLgz?ocid=winp1taskbar&pc=test&cvid=362c5e85728249f3ea222c3d42cea04d&ei=14
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2025, 06:20:25 am »

Lawmakers respond to U.S. launching strikes on 3 Iranian nuclear facilities
Story by Kierra Frazier • 5h

Washington — Lawmakers across the political aisle offered a mixed response Saturday following President Trump's announcement that the United States launched strikes on three Iranian nuclear facilities.

Immediately following Mr. Trump's announcement, Congressional Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. Ted Cruz, backed Mr. Trump's actions, while a number of leading Democrats condemned his decision to launch the attack without consulting Congress.

In a televised address Saturday night, the president described the strikes as a "spectacular military success" and said "Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated." He warned of "far greater" attacks if Iran does not "make peace."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-respond-to-u-s-launching-strikes-on-3-iranian-nuclear-facilities/ar-AA1HaOzr?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=b23690b60d294360af02c09f84e1f149&ei=61
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2025, 07:54:58 am »
Not only do I not see Massie as a 'top Republican', he is wrong about the Constitutionality of conducting surgical strikes without Congressional approval, especially in an environment where informing Congress beforehand risks OPSEC and could jeopardize the mission.
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2025, 08:34:57 am »
Moving thread about Rep. Massie saying Iranian strikes are unconstitutional to Politics category, but may later merge with main thread about the bombings.

Some Democrats also are alleging unconstitutionality, and posts about that will be merged into this one.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2025, 08:36:39 am by Mod2 »

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2025, 08:40:21 am »
John Fetterman is more Republican than that jive ass Massie.  Can we do a one for one trade.
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2025, 08:44:06 am »
John Fetterman is more Republican than that jive ass Massie.  Can we do a one for one trade.
Massie is a reliable fiscal conservative, but it seems to me that ever since his wife died, he seems to have gone off the rails on other issues, essentially siding with the Dems.
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2025, 03:09:50 pm »
What's this "top republican's" name again?  I'm not familiar with it.
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2025, 03:28:51 pm »
Thomas Massie is a high nineties Conservative. He bends hard toward fiscal conservatism and libertarianism. - It's that hard libertarian core talking - He takes his Constitution neat. That he would require congressional involvement in acts of war does not surprise me.

I think he's wrong in this... But I can certainly see him from where I stand.

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2025, 04:23:42 pm »
Massie is wrong.  The president has total discretion in commanding the military.  He can take action and after a certain period of time he is required to seek Congress; approval.  If it required Congressional approval up front, he would be paralyzed for months

As it is, the judicial branch of government has paralyzed the executive branch to the point of not functioning.  That is not how our system is set up.  The stinking lawyers are mucking up everything they touch, which has been my work experience my whole life.

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2025, 04:36:06 pm »
 Trump goes nuclear on Republican after Iran war powers slapdown, vows to back primary foe: ‘MAGA doesn’t want him’
By Ryan King   
Published June 22, 2025, 3:12 p.m. ET

President Trump unleashed his fury on libertarian-leaning Rep. Thomas Massie and vowed to prop up a primary challenge after the Kentuckian co-introduced a measure to rein in his war powers.

Trump, who has long been vexed by Massie (R-Ky.) in the past on a host of issues, ripped him as a “pathetic loser” during a fiery Truth Social screed.

“Massie is weak, ineffective, and votes ‘NO’ on virtually everything put before him (Rand Paul, Jr.), no matter how good something may be,” Trump fumed on Truth Social Sunday.

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https://nypost.com/2025/06/22/us-news/trump-goes-nuclear-on-republican-after-iran-war-powers-slapdown-vows-to-back-primary-foe-maga-doesnt-want-him/
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2025, 04:40:47 pm »
I hope Kentucky is smarter than that. Massie is a solid Conservative. Tumpy sure as hell ain't.

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2025, 04:45:53 pm »
The pro-Russian isolationists are having tantrums because they know if Trump will ZOT Iran then he can do it to Russia as well..
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2025, 04:49:24 pm »
Trump Pledges to Travel to Kentucky to Campaign Against Rep. Thomas Massie

President Donald Trump blasted Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) Sunday after the libertarian-leaning Congressman partnered with Democrats to oppose Trump’s strike on Saturday eliminating Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/06/22/trump-pledges-to-travel-to-kentucky-to-campaign-against-rep-thomas-massie/
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2025, 04:58:15 pm »
Y'all should not cut yourselves away from Conservatism's libertarian core. Already, fiscal conservatism's head is on the chopping block... Now libertarianism. What is left?

Without those two, there is no longer a conscience on the Right.

We don't have to agree. We don't have to march in lock-step. Massie has every right to stand where he does, and he stands upon principles.

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2025, 05:30:59 pm »
What’s wrong with Thomas?  Didn’t he listen to Ted Cruz?  We have to kill those religious fanatics, just like God ordered us to. 

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2025, 05:40:06 pm »
Wingnut tightens his wrench with:
"John Fetterman is more Republican than that jive ass Massie.  Can we do a one for one trade."

Someone ought to gift Mr. Fetterman with a copy of "Second Thoughts", edited by the late (and great) former leftist David Horowitz (along with Peter Collier)

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2025, 05:46:17 pm »
All he had to do was keep his mouth shut...

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2025, 05:50:10 pm »
Massie is a reliable fiscal conservative, but it seems to me that ever since his wife died, he seems to have gone off the rails on other issues, essentially siding with the Dems.
He's a gadfly, the Quincy Wagstaff of the Republican Party: "Whatever it is, I'm against it!"
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2025, 05:54:48 pm »
Y'all should not cut yourselves away from Conservatism's libertarian core. Already, fiscal conservatism's head is on the chopping block... Now libertarianism. What is left?

Without those two, there is no longer a conscience on the Right.

We don't have to agree. We don't have to march in lock-step. Massie has every right to stand where he does, and he stands upon principles.
Massie doesn't have a principle other than "no." No matter how trivial the measure, he'll pull stunts.

I can't say that. Massie has long been pro-Iran and anti-Israel for over a decade now. It appears his idea of conservative is what the Ayatollahs see.
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2025, 05:55:05 pm »
He's a gadfly, the Quincy Wagstaff of the Republican Party: "Whatever it is, I'm against it!"

It may look like that in a fiscally promiscuous administration, but that is not true.

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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2025, 06:01:42 pm »
Trump Pledges to Travel to Kentucky to Campaign Against Rep. Thomas Massie

President Donald Trump blasted Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) Sunday after the libertarian-leaning Congressman partnered with Democrats to oppose Trump’s strike on Saturday eliminating Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/06/22/trump-pledges-to-travel-to-kentucky-to-campaign-against-rep-thomas-massie/

I Think that is a sound strategy..  Might backfire if Jive Turkey Massie is more popular beyond within his State than what I think. 
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2025, 06:37:28 pm »
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Re: Top Republican turns on Trump after 'unconstitutional' strikes
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2025, 07:01:47 pm »
What part of the Constitution did Trump violate?
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What part of the Constitution did Trump violate?
hitting a foreign country should be a declaration of war, for over 80 years congress has given the president far too much power compared to what the constitution allows.  It allowed Bush to have a 20 year war with thousands of Americans dead, trillions spent and the world a less safer place.

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Does Trump have anything better to do in the middle of a war than type a screed about a house rep from Kentucky?  Maybe he should borrow the ayatollah's handlers --- at least he comes across as sane on X.