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The first nuclear weapon called "Gadget" was detonated July 16, 1945 in New Mexico. It was NOT some kind of sleek missile. Far from it. It was a blob that looked like someone built it in their garage. It doesn't take an optimized beautiful design for it to work. Sometimes a homemade blob is enough.



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Genghis Khan simply lopped them off and placed them in piles.  All of them.

The annihilation of Nishapur
The siege of Nishapur (modern-day Iran) in April 1221 was bloody and fierce. A huge Mongol army attacked the city, hurling hundreds of fireballs, a quarter of a million large stones, and much more at the defences. Nishapur finally fell and bloody house-to-house fighting ensued inside the city.

Survivors were, like every other resident of Nishapur, beheaded after being pulled from underground hiding places, mounds of rubble, and piles of bodies. The Mongols made three mountains of skulls from those they’d beheaded at Nishapur – one pyramid each for men, women and children.

Genghis Khan had been clear to his commanders that he wanted nothing in Nishapur to survive, so even the city’s dogs, cats and vermin were exterminated.

400 skilled workers were lucky enough to be spared, but all of the remaining 170,000 population of Nishapur were massacred.


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Israel killed “dozens” of Iran’s remaining military leaders, including wartime Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Ali Shademani, on Monday by bombing the mountain hideout to which they had retreated, the Jerusalem Post reported Wednesday.



The Post said:

    Shademani was assassinated at a secret compound in the mountains outside of Tehran along with dozens of other senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps officers who had fled from their main headquarters in Tehran, believing they would be safe.

    Instead, the IAF [Israeli Air Force] waited for them to move to the “secret” location and then killed them all at the same time.

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    Fox News reported the new revelations first on Wednesday, and The Jerusalem Post independently verified the information from senior defense sources.

Israel has continued a relentless campaign of attacks against Iranian military targets and governing institutions. The Iranian regime has continued to threaten the “Zionists,” but has been unable to deliver on those threats. Iran has few air defenses left, and its is losing missile launchers to Israeli attacks by the hour.

President Donald Trump has demanded the “unconditional surrender” of the Iranian regime. In remarks to reporters at the White House on Wednesday, he suggested that the U.S. might dismantle Iran’s nuclear program after the regime surrendered, and not necessarily as part of the ongoing war effort.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/18/report-israel-kills-dozens-of-iranian-military-leaders-by-bombing-hideout/
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Thus far, the operation has been brilliant.
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Thus far, the operation has been brilliant.

I hope we are taking notes.  Start back at the exploding pager event and go from there. 
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Isn't this supposed to be night that will live in history???

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Your enemy has chanted ‘Death to America’ every day for the last 30 years. They’re building a nuclear bomb. They’re about to reach the point of no return.

But you say to yourself I am America First. I cant focus on the Middle East, I need to focus on the border.

You have one final opportunity to take out their nuclear program. One last chance. And you say: ‘Nope, I can’t do it”  “NO MORE WARS.”


https://x.com/Osint613/status/1935528794464399864
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@Osint613  ·  3m

Your enemy has chanted ‘Death to America’ every day for the last 30 years. They’re building a nuclear bomb. They’re about to reach the point of no return.

But you say to yourself I am America First. I cant focus on the Middle East, I need to focus on the border.

You have one final opportunity to take out their nuclear program. One last chance. And you say: ‘Nope, I can’t do it”  “NO MORE WARS.”


https://x.com/Osint613/status/1935528794464399864

Those idiots would rather wait until Iran has the methods and means to take out NYC and Chicago so they can pound their slumped chests and cry, "America First", and they would be right - Iran's policy is to strike America first, before Israel.
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1935472485773738339

Rumor on TV is that Israel has a spec ops team that will go in on the ground to take out the site. Seems to me, unless there is a ground team that goes in to at least verify the critical locations, no amount of bombing will guarantee those locations are actually destroyed within the site.
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There is most certainly a small “community” of scientists and technicians underground in that complex. Sucks to be them, huh?

Also, I’ll bet that place is booby trapped to high heaven.
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There is most certainly a small “community” of scientists and technicians underground in that complex. Sucks to be them, huh?

Also, I’ll bet that place is booby trapped to high heaven.

That building housing the HVAC equipment is a huge vulnerability that could be exploited fairly easily.
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This OPPLAN will list specific details for attacks on the deep underground (under mountain) facilities that can only be accomplished by B-2s & GBU-57s.

■ 2 or 4 B-2s, each with 2 GBU-57
■ 8 F-22s, SEAD/Sweep
■ 8 F-35s, SEAD/Control
■ 8 Tankers with spares

The OPPLAN will include every minute detail.

■ TOTs
■ Pre-strike & post-strike air refueling details
■ Orbit points & timing
■ Routes of flights
■ Target Coordinates including DMPIs
■ ETC. ETC. ETC.

I believe the U.S. will require the Israelis to stand down during the entire operation.

Every pilot & crew member have been hand picked and are in place.

POTUS is launch authority.

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Is this Israel's next bombshell covert op? IDF may send crack commandos to take out Iran's most heavily fortified 300ft-deep nuke plant rather than using US bunker buster bomb, says Trump official

Daily Mail
By DAVID AVERRE
19 June 2025



Israel could attempt to damage or destroy Iran's Fordow nuclear facility by deploying a team of special forces if the US is unwilling to deploy its 'bunker-busting' bombs, an official has claimed.

The Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP), buried deep beneath the mountains near the holy city of Qom, is one of Iran's most secretive and heavily fortified nuclear facilities.

Enrichment centrifuges housed within its secured chambers are capable of producing uranium at near-weapons-grade levels, and access to the site is tightly controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Built in defiance of international pressure and revealed to the world only after Western intelligence agencies exposed its existence in 2009, the site was constructed some 90 metres (285ft) underground to shield it from aerial bombardment.

Only the US has the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) munitions capable of reaching the facility, but Trump on Wednesday said: 'We have the capability to do it, but that doesn't mean I am going to do it.'

Hours later, a US official told Axios that Israel had informed the Trump administration that while they may not be able to reach deep enough into the mountain with bombs, they may 'do it with humans'.

This raises the prospect of a daring boots-on-the-ground operation - and one that is not without precedent.

In September, Israeli special forces deployed to Masyaf in Syria where they conducted a raid on an underground missile production facility they claimed was 'the flagship of Iranian manufacturing efforts in our region'.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14827755/Is-Israels-bombshell-covert-op-IDF-send-crack-commandos-Irans-heavily-fortified-300ft-deep-nuke-plant-using-US-bunker-buster-bomb-says-Trump-official.html

We are reading this for some warfare related reason. I cannot guess what that reason is. What I mean is, Why would Israel publish their so-called "covert" plans? They must have a reason which we do not know. Maybe, it is just to shake them up? I don't know.
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Israel Hits Iran’s Arak Reactor; Was Poised to Make Weapons-Grade Plutonium

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The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) attacked Iran’s nuclear facilities at Arak, a reactor that used heavy water in its operations and which was poised to produce weapons-grade plutonium for Iran’s nuclear program.

The IDF said in a statement:

Overnight (Thursday), 40 IAF fighter jets, with the precise intelligence direction of the IDF Intelligence Directorate, struck dozens of military targets in Tehran and additional areas throughout Iran, using over 100 munitions.

As part of the strikes, and as part of the broad effort to prevent the Iranian regime from obtaining a nuclear weapon, the nuclear reactor in the area of Arak in Iran was targeted, including the structure of the reactor’s core seal, which is a key component in plutonium production.

Construction of the reactor began in 1997 but was not completed due to international community intervention.

The reactor was originally intended for the production of weapons-grade plutonium, capable of enabling the development of nuclear weapons. In light of various agreements, in recent years the Iranian regime advanced its conversion to produce low-grade plutonium, which is not suitable for the production of nuclear weapons. However, the regime deliberately ordered not to complete the conversion that would have prevented its use for nuclear weapons — in order to exert pressure on the West.

The strike targeted the component intended for plutonium production, in order to prevent the reactor from being restored and used for nuclear weapons development.

Additionally, the IAF struck a nuclear weapons development site in the area of Natanz. The site contained components and specialized equipment used to advance nuclear weapons development, and projects designed to accelerate the regime’s nuclear program were hosted there.

Furthermore, the IAF also struck military production sites belonging to the Iranian regime, including factories producing raw materials, components used in assembling ballistic missiles, and sites for the production of Iranian air defense systems and missiles.

Additionally, air defense batteries, surface-to-surface missile storage sites, detection radar systems, and detection equipment belonging to the Iranian regime, were neutralized from the air.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/19/israel-hits-irans-arak-reactor-was-poised-to-make-weapons-grade-plutonium/
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Is this Israel's next bombshell covert op? IDF may send crack commandos to take out Iran's most heavily fortified 300ft-deep nuke plant rather than using US bunker buster bomb, says Trump official

Daily Mail
By DAVID AVERRE
19 June 2025



Israel could attempt to damage or destroy Iran's Fordow nuclear facility by deploying a team of special forces if the US is unwilling to deploy its 'bunker-busting' bombs, an official has claimed.

The Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP), buried deep beneath the mountains near the holy city of Qom, is one of Iran's most secretive and heavily fortified nuclear facilities.

Enrichment centrifuges housed within its secured chambers are capable of producing uranium at near-weapons-grade levels, and access to the site is tightly controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Built in defiance of international pressure and revealed to the world only after Western intelligence agencies exposed its existence in 2009, the site was constructed some 90 metres (285ft) underground to shield it from aerial bombardment.

Only the US has the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) munitions capable of reaching the facility, but Trump on Wednesday said: 'We have the capability to do it, but that doesn't mean I am going to do it.'

Hours later, a US official told Axios that Israel had informed the Trump administration that while they may not be able to reach deep enough into the mountain with bombs, they may 'do it with humans'.

This raises the prospect of a daring boots-on-the-ground operation - and one that is not without precedent.

In September, Israeli special forces deployed to Masyaf in Syria where they conducted a raid on an underground missile production facility they claimed was 'the flagship of Iranian manufacturing efforts in our region'.

(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14827755/Is-Israels-bombshell-covert-op-IDF-send-crack-commandos-Irans-heavily-fortified-300ft-deep-nuke-plant-using-US-bunker-buster-bomb-says-Trump-official.html

We are reading this for some warfare related reason. I cannot guess what that reason is. What I mean is, Why would Israel publish their so-called "covert" plans? They must have a reason which we do not know. Maybe, it is just to shake them up? I don't know.
Seems all that is necessary is to find the ventilator openings,a saturate them with gas, and wait awhile.

I doubt any down there are wearing masks
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Seems all that is necessary is to find the ventilator openings,a saturate them with gas, and wait awhile.

I doubt any down there are wearing masks

I share that opinion.  And there must be entrances too.  Seems to me they would be a lot easier to destroy.  Probably more difficult to find, though....
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I share that opinion.  And there must be entrances too.  Seems to me they would be a lot easier to destroy.  Probably more difficult to find, though....

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I share that opinion.  And there must be entrances too.  Seems to me they would be a lot easier to destroy.  Probably more difficult to find, though....

I suppose the problem with making it a tomb is if the leadership doesn't change all that enriched uranium is simply waiting to be dug up and used.

Making it a radioactive hell hole would make it harder to recover.

The biggie is whether or not Iran already has nuclear weapons and already have them strategically located waiting for the US to attack to pull the trigger.

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I share that opinion.  And there must be entrances too.  Seems to me they would be a lot easier to destroy.  Probably more difficult to find, though....

Just a wish here that it would have been Global Coalition that approached Iran's Supreme Religious Leadership instead of seeing shades of Gary Cooper reliving "HIGH NOON" in Black & White
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Seems all that is necessary is to find the ventilator openings,a saturate them with gas, and wait awhile.

I doubt any down there are wearing masks

Who cares if they are wearing masks? Just fill it full of deodorized methane and make it go boom!
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Seems all that is necessary is to find the ventilator openings, a saturate them with gas, and wait awhile. I doubt any down there are wearing masks

I'm sure that they have filters for that - they are not stupid. Spec Ops or BBs will solve the problem anyway.
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The biggie is whether or not Iran already has nuclear weapons and already have them strategically located waiting for the US to attack to pull the trigger.

That's the $50T question.
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I'm sure that they have filters for that - they are not stupid. Spec Ops or BBs will solve the problem anyway.

Removing methane gas from air is not easily done, you will need an advanced air filtration system to effectively remove it. HEPA filter-based media is not effective for gas removal as the gases will simply pass through the filter fibers. Activated carbon alone is also not very effective. I can be done but would be a very expensive and time consuming exercise @BobfromWB 
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Removing methane gas from air is not easily done, you will need an advanced air filtration system to effectively remove it. HEPA filter-based media is not effective for gas removal as the gases will simply pass through the filter fibers. Activated carbon alone is also not very effective. I can be done but would be a very expensive and time consuming exercise @BobfromWB 

The problem is the enriched uranium can't be left there, at least not in a contained form. Otherwise, it wouldn't be hard to dig it up later and use it.

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The world could benefit from seeing an above ground mega ton nuclear explosion.  Maybe some would think twice about their belligerence.

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@Osint613  ·  3m

Your enemy has chanted ‘Death to America’ every day for the last 30 years. They’re building a nuclear bomb. They’re about to reach the point of no return.

But you say to yourself I am America First. I cant focus on the Middle East, I need to focus on the border.

You have one final opportunity to take out their nuclear program. One last chance. And you say: ‘Nope, I can’t do it”  “NO MORE WARS.”


https://x.com/Osint613/status/1935528794464399864
Too many people fail to realize that nuclear attacks do not require missiles. There is a scenario that involves loading medium strength bombs on 4-6 jets. letting them fly over the US and detonating them in certain key locations. The EMP's would cripple communications and infrastructure controls that havde not been hardened. A good portiion of the country would be back toliving in the 1850s.
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Too many people fail to realize that nuclear attacks do not require missiles. There is a scenario that involves loading medium strength bombs on 4-6 jets. letting them fly over the US and detonating them in certain key locations. The EMP's would cripple communications and infrastructure controls that havde not been hardened. A good portiion of the country would be back toliving in the 1850s.

Cargo ship, any port USA.

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There is something giving our side pause, it seems. I think they are dealing with several $50T questions.
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Too many people fail to realize that nuclear attacks do not require missiles. There is a scenario that involves loading medium strength bombs on 4-6 jets. letting them fly over the US and detonating them in certain key locations. The EMP's would cripple communications and infrastructure controls that havde not been hardened. A good portiion of the country would be back toliving in the 1850s.

Container ships would be an even better bet. The CG used to stop ships off the coast and check, but that was a decade ago. Then there is the LNG ship that pulls into the harbor and goes boom.
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"Iran has all that it needs to achieve a nuclear weapon. All they need is a decision from the Supreme Leader to do that," Leavitt told reporters. "And it would take a couple of weeks to complete the production of that weapon, which would, of course, pose an existential threat not just to Israel, but to the United States and to the entire world."

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/israel-iran-conflict-june-19-2025

That order was likely given some time ago. Odds are they do have nuclear weapons...

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Trump said that he will decide what to do "in the next two weeks". This is the same as sitting the whole thing out.
In two weeks there will not be any Iran to worry about. Maybe that is what he is counting on.

Regards of whatever he thinks he is doing, the reality of this is that Israel will have to take out the Fordow nuclear base on their own, which I believe they can do. It is just going to require a lot more time and effort than if Trump did it.
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Trump said that he will decide what to do "in the next two weeks". This is the same as sitting the whole thing out.
In two weeks there will not be any Iran to worry about. Maybe that is what he is counting on.

Regards of whatever he thinks he is doing, the reality of this is that Israel will have to take out the Fordow nuclear base on their own, which I believe they can do. It is just going to require a lot more time and effort than if Trump did it.

"Within two weeks" covers a lot of territory doesn't it.
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Iran Asks UN Security Council to Condemn Israel for Attack on Nuclear Sites

Iran has asked the United Nations Security Council to condemn Israel for attacking it — after Iran attacked Israel first, both directly and indirectly, for years, and violated UN obligations on nuclear non-proliferation.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/19/iran-asks-un-security-council-to-condemn-israel-for-attack-on-nuclear-sites/
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1935472485773738339

It may be the only way to be sure it's destroyed.

The bunker buster may not go deep enough and we won't use a tactical nuclear warhead.

I think Israel is doing just fine without us. I say support their air defense and supply them with everything they need.
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"Within two weeks" covers a lot of territory doesn't it.
It is the same as Trump saying 'NO' to Israel. That is his decision, of course. But in two weeks we will all be living in a different world.
Trump says NO without saying NO, is the headline.
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It is the same as Trump saying 'NO' to Israel. That is his decision, of course. But in two weeks we will all be living in a different world.
Trump says NO without saying NO, is the headline.

That isn't how I interpret it. In my view it means it might come within minutes, hours, or days. Who knows really?
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rusty swung (and hit the nail with):
"The world could benefit from seeing an above ground mega ton nuclear explosion.  Maybe some would think twice about their belligerence"

Total agreement.
If it takes a small nuke to blow the fordow site to hell, so be it.

It must be demonstrated to everyone -- no rogue states will be permitted to have nuclear weapons, nor the infrastructure with which to develop them.

Gaze upon the remains of fordow to see what this has brought to iran.

BTW, here's another view of the fordow site, I saw posted elsewhere:

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It may be the only way to be sure it's destroyed.

The bunker buster may not go deep enough and we won't use a tactical nuclear warhead.

I think Israel is doing just fine without us. I say support their air defense and supply them with everything they need.

Just use 2-4 57s and another with a B61-11 which is designed not to release any radiation when used in this situation. 100,000 psi overpressure should be enough to crush any remaining structures.

But tough guy, 47 is giving Iran's IRGC [ now in charge of Iran ] two free weeks  [no doubt the Iranian negotiators are happy they got this freebee ] to finish up their nuclear program and mount a nuke on one of their NYC bound Zuljanah missiles, making good on the former Supreme Leader's pledge to make the US suffer 100%.
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Container ships would be an even better bet. The CG used to stop ships off the coast and check, but that was a decade ago. Then there is the LNG ship that pulls into the harbor and goes boom.
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There is something giving our side pause, it seems. I think they are dealing with several $50T questions.

With so many players on the board, there's so many things behind the curtain that can't be seen, not even by the Intel agencies. That's what I worry about - what we don't know.
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