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Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« on: June 01, 2025, 06:06:22 pm »
Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill


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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2025, 07:28:58 pm »
How about these "showboats" just get to work with Thune and offer alternatives.

I can live without all the drama. They are going to pass a bill. The House won't like the changes and will counter the Pres. Trump will workout a compromise.

A bill will be passed.
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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2025, 07:31:55 pm »
GOOD. Block the hell out of it.
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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2025, 10:35:08 am »
Still a no: Rand Paul says $5T debt increase in 'Big, Beautiful Bill' a deal-breaker
GOP senator highlights impact of increase on fiscal year deficit as President Donald Trump cautions him voting against the bill
 By Louis Casiano Fox News
Published June 3, 2025 5:58am EDT

 Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said the debt limit increase included in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act is still a deal-breaker for him, saying it goes against conservative values, despite discussions with President Donald Trump about his concerns.

Paul told reporters on Monday that the bill will increase the debt ceiling by $5 trillion, the largest debt increase in the U.S.

"We have never raised the debt ceiling without actually meeting that target," he said. "So you can say it doesn't directly add to the debt, but if you increase the ceiling $5 trillion, you'll meet that. And what it does is it puts it off the back-burner. And then we won't discuss it for a year or two."

"So I think it's a terrible idea to do this," he added.

Paul said he spoke with Trump about his concerns over the legislation during a "lengthy discussion," but that Trump "did most of the talking."

"I've told him I can't support the bill if they're together," Paul said. "If they were to separate out and take the, debt ceiling off that I very much could consider the rest of the bill."

Paul noted that Congress voted to continue spending to avert a government shutdown.

"During the campaign, Republicans said they were against Bidennomics and Bidenflation and Biden spending. When March, we renewed the Biden's spending levels," Paul said. "So the spending levels we live under now are Biden-GOP spending levels. They've all come into agreement."

"But come the end of September, when our fiscal year ends, the deficit is going to be $2.2 trillion. That's just not conservative," he added. "They're borrowing 5 trillion. That means they're anticipating the following year being over 2 trillion as well. So it's just not a conservative thing to do."

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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2025, 10:50:04 am »
The ship of state is massive, difficult to steer and damn near impossible to turn around.  This bill is the chance to turn the ship, point it in the direction we need it to go and fuel the rest of its passage with private sector, America first economic growth.







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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2025, 10:51:48 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on June 01, 2025, 07:31:55 pm
GOOD. Block the hell out of it.

And ... History will show "Conservatism" ended by suicide.  ----   





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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2025, 11:37:07 am »
Deregulation = Yes
Obscene Spending = No
Forensic Audits of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment, and grants to states.
Reform system of grants to states to a system of reimbursement of properly audited, validated expenses.
Make states bid for highway funds based upon track record of efficient project management dates and costs.

No more block grants to states to waste money. (i.e., Brookline, Mass, using "surplus" Covid funds for "community art" - big ceramic, painted wild turkeys (I $h!t you not.)).
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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2025, 11:42:03 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 03, 2025, 10:51:48 am
And ... History will show "Conservatism" ended by suicide.  ----
by voting for Trump
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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2025, 11:43:39 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 03, 2025, 10:51:48 am
And ... History will show "Conservatism" ended by suicide.  ----

It already has.

Conservatism has been replaced by populist/libertarianism. The old globalist era is over. The myth of "free trade" has been debunked. The myth of a free economy has been destroyed.

The "big beautiful bill" will be passed. The complaint about adding to the deficit will be proven wrong over time. The current CBO figures are based on a GDP of 1.8%. If we end up with 2.5% after the tariffs are fully implemented and manufacturing is on shored the deficit will be a lot smaller.
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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2025, 03:40:15 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 03, 2025, 10:51:48 am
And ... History will show "Conservatism" ended by suicide.  ----

No... History will show the United States destroyed by overspending and printing money into oblivion.

Rand Paul is damnwell right.
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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2025, 05:55:25 pm »
BUDGET PROJECTIONS FOR FY 2025
(As of January 17, 2025 )

OUTLAYS $7.0 Trillion

REVENUES $5.2 Trillion

DEFICIT $1.9 Trillion

DEBT HELD BY THE PUBLIC (End of Fiscal Year)

$30.1 Trillion

https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget

Elon is correct! 9.4 billion is chump change!


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Re: Rand Paul: Four Senate Republicans Will Block the Big, Beautiful Bill
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2025, 07:22:23 pm »
Killing it in Senate might be good....Elon hates the Bill coming out of the House.  It's a typical Christmas Tree now, with juicy ornaments hanging all over it.
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