Trump suggests US ‘take’ Gaza, make it ‘freedom zone’

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 Trump suggests US ‘take’ Gaza, make it ‘freedom zone’
by Brett Samuels - 05/15/25 7:08 AM ET

President Trump on Thursday suggested the U.S. would look to take control of the Gaza Strip and turn it into a “freedom zone,” highlighting one of his more controversial foreign policy proposals during a visit to Qatar.

“I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good. Make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved, and make it just a freedom zone” Trump said during a business roundtable.

“I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone, let some good things happen. Put people in homes where they can be safe, and Hamas is going to have to be dealt with,” Trump added.

Qatar has played host to periodic ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas in an attempt to stop the fighting between the two sides but so far negotiations have been at a stalemate as bombings continue.

The president earlier this year first proposed the idea of the U.S. taking control of Gaza, which has been devastated by Israeli military strikes as it carries out its campaign against Hamas following October 2023 terrorist attacks by the group that killed more than 1,000 Israelis.

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[Timber Rattler]

Riggght...how'd that work out in Beirut 1983?

[rustynail]

Beaches Condos and time-shares.

[cato potatoe]

Here we go again.  Any effort to rebuild the strip would have to be preceded by a mass relocation of the present inhabitants.  I don't see how the US could take the lead, given our involvement with the IDF operation.  It would be seen as the realization of an Israeli dream of ethnic cleansing with US backing.  The project would need to be a coordinated peacekeeping mission through the UN or some other alliance including the arab neighbors to secure the cooperation of Hamas.  And just typing this seems like describing something on a different planet.  The US could provide some of the funding, but any visible presence would be highly inflammatory.

[corbe]

[DefiantMassRINO]

No.

The US needs to extricate itself from Middle East affairs before America becomes the latest Empire to be bled dry, like the British, the French, the Ottomans, the Byzantines, and the Romans before us.

We don't need their oil anymore.
OPEC nations will screw us every chance they get.
The Saudi's are responsible for 9/11 and the spread of Sunni extremism (al Queda, ISIS).
These are not America's friends.

Let the buyers of Middle East oil sacrifice their blood and their treasure for these A-holes.

America has already spent too much blood, too mcuh treasure, and too much diplomatic capital serving as their hired help.

[GtHawk]

So the guy who is against America being embroiled in foreign wars is advocating for something that would require America to be embroiled in a foreign war? No thank you.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The founders should have written a gag, a physical gag for the President, in the Constitution.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Relax, folks, this won't happen.  The fly in the ointment for a "freedom zone" or "enterprise zone" on the Strip is Israel.  They're thisclose to realizing an ethnically cleansed Gaza and a Jewish State of Israel from the River to the sea. I doubt they will let go of the dream.

[GtHawk]

Relax, folks, this won't happen.  The fly in the ointment for a "freedom zone" or "enterprise zone" on the Strip is Israel.  They're thisclose to realizing an ethnically cleansed Gaza and a Jewish State of Israel from the River to the sea. I doubt they will let go of the dream.

You suck!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Wish this idiot would do something about the leftover inflation from Biden instead of prattling on like a moron.

[jafo2010]

Right_in_Virginia...

They're this close to realizing an ethnically cleansed Gaza and a Jewish State of Israel from the River to the sea. I doubt they will let go of the dream.

This is simply false.  There are 2.35 million people in Gaza.  I do not call that cleansing, or anything close to it.

And as far as any genocidal society goes, i.e. the Gaza Strip, if every last person was eliminated, humanity would be the better for it.  I feel that way about any and all genocidal societies that think they have the right to destroy an entire people.

But I wish Trump would end his nonsensical rhetoric.  It is tiresome.  Acquisition of Greenland, making Canada the 51st state, making Gaza a showcase for the Med.   Uggggh!

simply put, Gaza is not worth one US soldier, sailor, etc losing their life.  We have no business there, and most of the people in Gaza would fight and die before being relocated.  And where would they go?  Who would take them?  They are some of the most undesirable people on the planet.  Mars, maybe?

[jmyrlefuller]

You're going to end up with Afghanistan if you try to conquer it without clearing it first. And by clearing, I mean total nuclear irradiation to the point of being uninhabitable... and let's face it, there isn't a single society in the world that is going to put up with two million dead from a nuclear war without us getting hit in retaliation. Even if those two million dead are an inherently terrorist society with a breeding program.

The Palestinians have been causing trouble in the Levant since 1929. There is no peace with them.

[Right_in_Virginia]

And as far as any genocidal society goes, i.e. the Gaza Strip, if every last person was eliminated, humanity would be the better for it.  I feel that way

So, you agree with Israel's long term strategy.  You're not alone  @jafo2010

But, could you explain how the society fighting a nuclear armed nation, that has unlimited political support from the world's only superpower and enjoys state of the art armaments replenished on a regular basis is the "genocidal society". 

[Fishrrman]

Nope.
We should stay out of there.

Let the Israelis take it over, and fix the place.
If that includes driving out the palis, so be it.

Once again, Somalia (or some other desert muslim African nation) might be a good place to send them.

[Right_in_Virginia]

simply put, Gaza is not worth one US soldier, sailor, etc losing their life.  We have no business there

We agree on this point @jafo2010

and most of the people in Gaza would fight and die before being relocated.

If our ancestors lived on a land for more than 2,000 continuous years, would we pack a bag and hop a bus out of town?  Or would we want to keep what we believed was ours and fight to stay?

And where would they go?  Who would take them?  They are some of the most undesirable people on the planet.  Mars, maybe?

I don't think this argument is helpful.  Any people can be painted as undesirable chaos and trouble--- but it doesn't mean it's correct.  If recent history is accurate,  European Jews bore the same stain in the 1930s and 1940s --- and it served only to increase the number of their dead. 

[bilo]

Relax, folks, this won't happen.  The fly in the ointment for a "freedom zone" or "enterprise zone" on the Strip is Israel.  They're thisclose to realizing an ethnically cleansed Gaza and a Jewish State of Israel from the River to the sea. I doubt they will let go of the dream.

You're right.

Expect the Israelis to control all aid being sent to Gaza and distributed by them. In the process they will force more and more of the radicals to leave and will cut off Hamas from further aid. Once they have pushed Hamas out they will force the remaining Arabs to leave, or move to restricted areas.

The Arabs have shown Gaza is not meant to be independent of Israel.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You're right.

Expect the Israelis to control all aid being sent to Gaza and distributed by them. In the process they will force more and more of the radicals to leave and will cut off Hamas from further aid. Once they have pushed Hamas out they will force the remaining Arabs to leave, or move to restricted areas.

The Arabs have shown Gaza is not meant to be independent of Israel.

Actually, credit where credit is due:  The Israelis have shown patience is the key to ethnic cleansing --- fifty-eight years and counting.

[jafo2010]

Right_in_Virginia...

But, could you explain how the society fighting a nuclear armed nation, that has unlimited political support from the world's only superpower and enjoys state of the art armaments replenished on a regular basis is the "genocidal society".

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

If you are referring to Ukraine being a genocidal aggressor, I beg to differ.  The war in Ukraine was started by Russia.  IMHO, Ukraine has a right to defend their lands against Russia, and if that means killing every last Russian crossing the border into their country, so be it.

And while I understand Trump attempting to butter up Putin to end the war, Trump will clearly have no choice but to supply Ukraine with what they need to bring the Russians to the table.

If I were Trump, I would end all trade with China until Russia agrees to peace in Ukraine.  It is China keeping Russia afloat financially.

Trump failed miserably to use leverage on China to reign in Russia.  Russia needs to be treated like North Korea at its worst moments.  Force the end of trade by all nations with Russia, and you end the war.  If Putin cannot sell oil/gas to any nation, then and only then do they fall to their knees.  There should be no mercy for Russia.

[jafo2010]

Right_in_Virginia...

I don't think this argument is helpful.  Any people can be painted as undesirable chaos and trouble--- but it doesn't mean it's correct.  If recent history is accurate,  European Jews bore the same stain in the 1930s and 1940s --- and it served only to increase the number of their dead.

What are you, a modern day Neo Nazi?  I am serious.  You comparing are comparing European Jews to the plight of the Gazans?  The European Jews were not living their life to kill any group.

Gazan live for the day of complete destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew.  With that mindset, the only  solution to their genocidal insanity is their total elimination.  Unfortunately, Israel is not looking to eliminate these barbarians.  So, X number of years down the road, we will see a repeat of October 7th, or perhaps Iran using nuclear weapons on Israel, perhaps launched from Gaza.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If you are referring to Ukraine being a genocidal aggressor, I beg to differ.  The war in Ukraine was started by Russia.  IMHO, Ukraine has a right to defend their lands against Russia, and if that means killing every last Russian crossing the border into their country, so be it.

Why would you think I was talking about Ukraine @jafo2010  when your post specifically referenced Gaza as the genocidal society?  What point were you making in this post that I seemed to have missed?   

And as far as any genocidal society goes, i.e. the Gaza Strip, if every last person was eliminated, humanity would be the better for it.  I feel that way about any and all genocidal societies that think they have the right to destroy an entire people.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What are you, a modern day Neo Nazi?  I am serious. ? 

I'm trying to make the point that painting an entire population as undesirable chaos and trouble to make it okay to ignore and dismiss them is not helpful.  The last time the world did this en masse was to European Jews seeking asylum from the Nazis.

[jafo2010]

Right_in_Virginia...

I'm trying to make the point that painting an entire population as undesirable chaos and trouble to make it okay to ignore and dismiss them is not helpful.  The last time the world did this en masse was to European Jews seeking asylum from the Nazis.

Your point is total garbage.  Again with the comparing European Jews murdered viciously by the Germans and their cohorts versus a genocidal maniacal society hellbent on murdering all the Jews and destroying Israel, and dedicating an ETERNITY to that outcome.

I say such people have no place on earth, no standing among civilized mankind, and are like a virulent cancer that must be destroyed. 

What does it take for you to recognize the truth?   The UGLY TRUTH to boot!

I am tired of all the moronic individuals in the world that condemn Israel, and defend these genocidal maniacs.  That is why I fully embrace Admiral Halsey's mindset to the Japanese to any enemy of mankind.  The only good one, is one dead for six months or more.  And the Palestinians are all enemies of civilized man.

If they managed to kill every last Jew in Israel, how long would it be before they turned their attention to the USA, or Europe?  Not long.

[jafo2010]

Right_in_Virginia,

I took your comment to mean Ukraine.  But since I suppose you are referencing Israel, yes, I think after October 7th, they have the right to kill everything in Gaza, right down to the few blades of grass.  Because if they don't, how many years before the mussies make another attack killing every person in their path?  3 years?  5 years, perhaps as long as 10 years?  Explain to me why the Israeli people should tolerate this?

If Japan turned around in 1950 and did another surprise attack on the USA, what do you think our response would have been?

Again, the people in the USA have gotten stupid with this measured response nonsense.  I say you destroy your enemy sufficiently that they never again rise up to kill your people.  If that means killing every last one of them, then the action is merited.

[bilo]

Actually, credit where credit is due:  The Israelis have shown patience is the key to ethnic cleansing --- fifty-eight years and counting.

They have been patient. I think part of the problem is that a majority of Israelis think they can live in peace with people who view them as evil and refuse to acculturate.

Pres. Trump has proposed an interesting middle ground turning Gaza into a "freedom Zone", but the surrounding Arab nations don't seem to want to embrace that. The only other approach is to get all the "palestinians" out, rebuild and don't let them back in.

[bilo]

Right_in_Virginia,

I took your comment to mean Ukraine.  But since I suppose you are referencing Israel, yes, I think after October 7th, they have the right to kill everything in Gaza, right down to the few blades of grass.  Because if they don't, how many years before the mussies make another attack killing every person in their path?  3 years?  5 years, perhaps as long as 10 years?  Explain to me why the Israeli people should tolerate this?

If Japan turned around in 1950 and did another surprise attack on the USA, what do you think our response would have been?

Again, the people in the USA have gotten stupid with this measured response nonsense.  I say you destroy your enemy sufficiently that they never again rise up to kill your people.  If that means killing every last one of them, then the action is merited.

@Right_in_Virginia

Maybe I'm missing something, isn't RIV arguing the same thing?

As I've read the posts no one seems to dispute the need for Gaza be cleared of the "palestinians".

[DefiantMassRINO]

Israel should have firebombed Gaza to cinder and ash.

No corpses or crying babies for Western media to make a cause celeb.  Quicker, more efficient.