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In fact, they are probably forced to compete in those other countries, where the US patent may not apply. That is certainly the case with the Elequis we obtained from Peru and Costa Rica. I would question if it was made by Bristol-Meyer Squibb. It was still a little, pink, ovaline pill, but it was obviously rougher made. It wasn't polished and the stamp on it was different.

In the end, for the savings, we were happy to use whatever that was. And it worked as advertised.

Are we worried about cutting into their profits? If we are bringing in generics will do the same thing. Businesses all the time get volume discounts, are they then fixing prices?


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Yes it does explain it, although as I defined it, I think that the US patents preventing competition is the number one reason, and us regs in second.

And patents are fundamental to our system of govt. It doesn't mean we have to pay exorbitant prices because they have it. We are only asking them to compete on a global scale.

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And necessarily so. And as I have pointed out already, those pills are under pressure from competition elsewhere, where the US patent offers no protection... which always drives the price downward, big-time. What do you think would happen to our pharma trade if cheap Chinese knockoffs were allowed like in the rest of the economy?

What's the difference then to their profits if we demand the volume price breaks we should get?

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So in other words, because other countries have socialized medicine and price controls, we should too.

There are no price controls. No prices are fixed. If the lowest price charged to a foreign country goes up 20%, then our prices go up 20%. There is no fixing of a prices to an exact dollar amount, unchangeable. We are simply talking about the global equalization of prices and getting volume pricing like any other business.

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But yes we ARE talking about other products. If Bristol Meyer has to compete against cheap knockoffs in those other countries, that drives the price down. That's called competition, and that is how it works.

Which would be the same effect here if they had no patent. Again, just because they have a patent doesn't mean they get automatic price protection. We are simply telling them they have to compete here like everywhere else. If that's price fixing, then businesses do it all the time.

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The Conservative threat toward over-charging companies would be to loosen patent protections, not initiate price controls. If you can't see the difference in that, I am sorry for you. Because you are about to meet a big lesson. One that has been repeated a thousand times through history. But I guess, here we go again.

By the time y'all figger it out, I hope there's a chance at salvaging liberty.

We could do that with a majority Congress willing to do so, but we don't have decades to wait for ideal solutions. Loosening patent controls would have the exact same effect as negotiating volume discounts, except they don't have to lose their patent. The net effect is the same.
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Are we worried about cutting into their profits? If we are bringing in generics will do the same thing. Businesses all the time get volume discounts, are they then fixing prices?


No, it will not do the same thing - The dynamics are different. The thing you will be missing is the volume supplied by their competition. That physical product is what drives the price down, because supply outweighs demand.

In your scenario, dictating the profit margin occurs without altering that supply. The demand stays the same, and the company, with a patent-protected market, can alter their provision to that market without any fear of competition - And that will undoubtedly occur in the exact formula to maximize profit from that market - less profit, less response to provide supply... No competition to respond to that supply. The sum of that formula dictates shortage. Your view is naive.

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And patents are fundamental to our system of govt. It doesn't mean we have to pay exorbitant prices because they have it. We are only asking them to compete on a global scale.


YES, in fact, it does. You can ask all you want. It means nothing. Business responds to the bottom line. If the product loses its profit shine, there is no force to make the company continue to manufacture. And rather than creating a product they are going to lose money on (or rather, a vastly reduced profit margin... to wit: the same.), they will invariably stop making the product, and shortage will occur.

The result is nothing prophetic - It's a simple lesson of supply and demand. Supply less in a demand market, the price will go up to provide the missing profit. In this case, the profit is removed without remedy. That leaves the company free to quit production.

And then invariably, the government will step in to require the company to make more product at a loss until the company cannot sustain itself and goes out of business... which is when the government steps in 'for the good of the people', and takes over production to provide the missing product.

Since government is otherwise oriented, the product suffers, becoming the cheapest, crappiest thing the government can produce...

This is the way of socialism, and how it works every-stinking-time.
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What's the difference then to their profits if we demand the volume price breaks we should get?


Without competition to supply the product, volume will go down as the company struggles to maintain its margins. The obvious way to do that is to shorten production, which means shortage will occur. That's not a prediction - It's a near mechanical response. That's what WILL happen.

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There are no price controls. No prices are fixed. If the lowest price charged to a foreign country goes up 20%, then our prices go up 20%. There is no fixing of a prices to an exact dollar amount, unchangeable. We are simply talking about the global equalization of prices and getting volume pricing like any other business.

Sure, except you are limiting them to the profit they take in say, Zimbabwe, where the pill sells at a significant hit. Then by the way, the price they can command in Asia and Europe becomes much greater than they can get here, so they send all their product where the best profit can be had - So that means shortage here. This math is simple.

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Which would be the same effect here if they had no patent. Again, just because they have a patent doesn't mean they get automatic price protection. We are simply telling them they have to compete here like everywhere else. If that's price fixing, then businesses do it all the time.


YES, it DOES mean exactly that. That's what patents DO. Patents are a price protection mechanism that is meant to give a company room to grow by protecting its market. So the company can command a premium price in a protected, non-competitive market, which allows the company to recoup the costs of innovation, development, engineering, and etc, which they have risked at the front of the venture.

That is why patents are there. That is what they are for.

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We could do that with a majority Congress willing to do so, but we don't have decades to wait for ideal solutions. Loosening patent controls would have the exact same effect as negotiating volume discounts, except they don't have to lose their patent. The net effect is the same.

The net effect is NOT the same. You will get your cheap drugs. Then you will get shortage, and those drugs will not be available. That's how this will go. Inevitably.

Welcome to Socialism. You are ushering it in. With bells on.

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If pharmaceutical companies were not making a profit at the lower prices, why on earth would they sell their products at a loss?  You don't make money by increasing volume while losing money on every sale.

MBA school teaches that companies maximize profits when marginal cost equals marginal revenue.  Obviously, this shows that lower prices should prevail.  President Trump is helping hundreds of millions of Americans with little effect on pharmaceutical companies, which Democrats have long demonized.  Now just to oppose Trump, as the TDS Crowd does relentlessly, they condemn lower prices as "price fixing - aha, aha!" 

The price fixing was all done in Europe, at Americans' expense.  Not any more!  Every decent Democrat should applaud this. Are there any decent Democrats?  Stand up and be counted.

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MBA school teaches that companies maximize profits when marginal cost equals marginal revenue.

Community colleges teach that as well (for a lot less money) in Econ 102 - Micro.


Obviously, this shows that lower prices should prevail.

Nope.  That's not at all what it shows.


President Trump is helping hundreds of millions of Americans with little effect on pharmaceutical companies

Spoken like a true socialist.  Good luck with that.  Jimmy Carter said the same thing about domestic oil price controls in the 70s when the global price was over $45/bbl.


Now just to oppose Trump, as the TDS Crowd does relentlessly, they condemn lower prices as "price fixing - aha, aha!"

It's not Trump we're opposing.  It is the policy which over history has been shown to be an abject failure.  Anyone with even a rudimentary education in economics would recognize that.


The price fixing was all done in Europe, at Americans' expense.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about here.  Europe isn't signing executive orders forcing price ceilings on American pharmaceuticals.


Every decent Democrat should applaud this.

Your applause is duly noted.
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