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« on: May 06, 2025, 12:12:06 pm »
This week, 133 Catholic cardinal electors will choose a new pope in a secretive, centuries-old ritual called a conclave. On Wednesday, the electors — among the church's most senior officials — will be locked inside the Vatican's Sistine Chapel to hold as many rounds of voting as prove necessary to select the next pontiff.

Here's what you need to know about the process and how long it might take.


When does the 2025 papal conclave start?

The conclave begins on Wednesday, May 7 — 16 days after Pope Francis' death.

It's one of the oldest methods of electing a head of state that's still in use today, and its basic protocols have barely changed for 800 years.

In order to become a pope, a candidate need only be Catholic and male. However, for centuries, popes have only been chosen from among the Catholic cardinals, the church's most senior officials.

The conclave takes place in the Sistine Chapel, behind sealed doors. Along with all Vatican staff involved in the process, the cardinal electors take an oath of secrecy, and the chapel is swept for listening devices.

The 133 electors participating this time around can hold one round of voting in the afternoon of the first day of the conclave, which consists of two ballots. To be elected pope, a candidate must garner two-thirds of the votes plus one. If the first round isn't conclusive, voting continues into a second day.

From the second day onward, there are two rounds of voting each day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon.

If there is no two-thirds majority after three days of voting, the process is paused for a day to allow time for the cardinals to pray and discuss their options.

How long have conclaves taken to choose new popes in the past?

There is no time limit set for how long a conclave can take. The cardinal electors continue to vote until a two-third-plus-one majority is achieved.

The shortest conclave on record was in 1503, when it took the cardinals only 10 hours to choose Pope Pius III as the new pontiff.

The longest conclave on record took nearly three years.

The election of a successor to Pope Clement IV in 1268 dragged on for so long — about 1,000 days — that locals in the town of Viterbo, where it was held, locked the cardinals in the room where they had gathered until they reached a decision.

That is where the name still used for the process of selecting a new pope — "conclave," which translates to "under lock and key" — came from.

After that marathon conclave, Pope Gregory X was finally elected in September of 1271.


How long is the 2025 papal conclave expected to last?

There is no way to predict how long a conclave will take, but guidance can perhaps be taken from recent history.

The last three popes have been elected in two or three days.

In 2013, Pope Francis was elected after five ballots held over two days. In 2005, Pope Benedict XVI was elected after four ballots. In 1978, Pope John Paul II was elected over two days after eight ballots.

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What is the voting process like?

Typically, there is a vote on the first day, then two each morning and two each afternoon.

A two-thirds majority is required. If three days pass without a consensus, the electors can take a break as long as one day for "prayer, free discussion among voters and a brief spiritual exhortation." 


Who votes to select a new pope?

The College of Cardinals is a collective of the most senior church officials from the Vatican and around the world. Only cardinals younger than 80 years old are allowed to participate in the conclave, a limit that was enacted in 1975.

The cardinals come from 71 countries across five continents, according to Vatican News, and 108 of the 135 cardinals were appointed by Pope Francis. (Twenty-two were appointed by Benedict, and 5 by Pope John Paul II.)
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College of Cardinals meet Wednesday, could elect a new pope within hours, days

The College of Cardinals will meet beginning Wednesday, May 7, 2025, to vote in a papal conclave -- a secret ballot where two-thirds majority is required for the election of a new pontiff. After each round of submissions, ballots are read aloud and then burned. The ashes are used to notify audiences around the world and onlookers in St. Peter's Square of the election's status.

How the name a new pope chooses can signal what to expect from his papacy

The first clue of the next pope's direction will be the name he chooses.

Popes used their given names for most of the Catholic Church’s first millennium. But in the mid-20th century, new popes began to choose names signaling the aim of their papacy.

The first pope to take on a different name was the 6th century Roman Mercurius, who had been named for a pagan god and chose the more appropriate name of John II.

The practice of adopting a new name became ingrained during the 11th century, a period of German popes who chose names of early church bishops out of “a desire to signify continuity," said the Rev. Roberto Regoli, a historian at Rome's Pontifical Gregorian University.

For many centuries, new popes tended to choose the name of the pope who had elevated them to cardinal. John was the most popular, chosen by 23 popes, followed by Benedict and Gregory, each with 16.

Only starting in the mid-20th century did new popes begin to choose names signaling the aim of their papacy, Regoli said.

“Even now, as we are waiting for the new pope, the name with which he will present himself will help us to understand the horizon towards which he wants to proceed," Regoli said.

Some names have been out of use for centuries, like Urban or Innocent.

“I don’t think anyone will pick Innocent,″ Imperatori-Lee said, given the abuse and other scandals that have rocked the church. ”I don’t think that would be the right choice."

Imperatori-Lee suggested another name that might signal a continuation of Francis' legacy: Ignatius, for the founder of Francis' Jesuit order.

“It would be interesting," she said. "We've never had one of those."

The Associated Press contributed to this report
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The Sistine Chapel prepared for the conclave to elect the new pope.


The “Room of Tears” next to the Sistine Chapel with the vestments of the next pope.

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All 133 voting cardinals swore an oath of secrecy before beginning the papal conclave on Wednesday.

The oath, in Latin, reads, "Et ego [given name] Cardinalis [surname] spondeo, voveo ac iuro. Sic me Deus adiuvet et haec Sancta Dei Evangelia, quae manu mea tango."

In English, the oath reads, "And I, [given name] Cardinal [surname], so promise, pledge and swear. So help me God and these Holy Gospels which I touch with my hand."
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The papal conclave officially began just before 12 p.m. ET on Wednesday after all 133 voting cardinals swore an oath of secrecy.

After their oaths were made, the Extra Omnes order was given, removing everyone from the chamber aside from the approved cardinals. The doors at the Sistine Chapel were then sealed.

The cardinals could deliberate for hours or days before selecting a new pope.
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While the vast majority of Catholic cardinals participating in the papal conclave at the Vatican this week are wearing red and white, a smattering are dressed differently. Here's why.

The Catholic Church is comprised of 24 separate churches, by far the largest of which is known as the "Latin rite." Cardinals in the Latin Rite wear the recognizable red and white, but cardinals of the other churches, known as the "sui iuris" churches, often dress differently.

The most recognizable such cardinals are the representatives of the eastern churches, who are dressed in black.
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The Domus Sancte Marthae, the St. Martha House, is a modern residence for Catholic clergy visiting Vatican City and is  managed by the Daughters of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul.

During a papal conclave , it is exclusively reserved for the cardinal electors from around the world. St. Pope John Paul II decreed that this space should be built to create a more spacious and hospitable environment for the clergy during a sede vacante. Domus has 106 suites and 22 single rooms and was built in 1996. It is staffed with clergy to hear confessions in different languages, medical doctors, and support personnel. All people staying at the Domus must be preapproved by the Cardinal Camerlengo and three Cardinal Assistants.

Prior to staying here, the clergy would sleep on cots in much smaller rooms next to the Sistine Chapel during a conclave. The original St. Martha House Foundation ran a hospice and pontifical dispensary.
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Thanks @mystery-ak nothing like this occurs in the Church I'm a member of.
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So what are the basing their vote on? Do they give stump speeches and state their positions, or is it the most popular guy, or what?  (Sorry, lifelong Protestant here.)
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So what are the basing their vote on? Do they give stump speeches and state their positions, or is it the most popular guy, or what?  (Sorry, lifelong Protestant here.)

No..no stump speeches..they are mainly quiet....they vote and then the votes are counted..that's when the Cardinals hear who has the most votes...rarely has there been a Pope chosen on the first vote...there will only be one vote today...after today there will be 4 votes daily until they reach the magic number of 89 which is needed to become Pope...
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Black spoke..no Pope today
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Do they do that after every vote or just once per day? @mystery-ak

Every vote.
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Do they do that after every vote or just once per day? @mystery-ak

They burn all the votes and add a chemical to make the smoke black or white...they do this after every vote which is 4 a day..
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I cannot wait for the utter communist they will pick to attract the youth vote.

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What if the smoke is white?


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We have had a former Nazi, a Communist, now what?  The USA has had a black POTUS, perhaps it is time for a black Pope?

With a larger number of cardinals then ever before, I expect a vote for something other than an Italian Pope, which has dominated throughout history.  Don't hold your breath for a US Pope.  That will never happen. 

I suspect they will pick someone in a country or continent where the Catholic church is growing like kudzu.  Hopefully, someone that looks upon abortion as murder. 

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‘Room of Tears’ deceiving as robes await unnamed pope’s joyous moment



Cardinals from around the world are participating in the papal conclave at the Sistine Chapel, and in the “Room of Tears” are various sizes of dress to ensure a proper fit on the new pope.

After two weeks since the death of 88-year-old Pope Francis, 133 cardinals entered into the Sistine Chapel on Wednesday to begin the selection process.

The voting, which occurs behind closed doors, will continue until a new leader of the Catholic Church is elected.

Only after receiving a two-thirds majority vote will the new pope enter into the “Room of Tears” where he will find his new attire in different sizes in the Vatican City.

What is the 'Room of Tears?'

Once the new pope accepts his nomination and has chosen his papal name , he will enter the “Room of Tears” ( “Stanza della Licrime.) According to the Catholic News Agency, the room is known by this since it’s the first place the new Pope will go to face the reality of his new position. Pope Leo XIII reportedly wept upon entering the room in 1878.

According to the Associated Press the room is named for the emotional weight of responsibility ahead for the new pontiff. Known in Italian as “Stanza della Licrime,” it’s  just a few feet away from the Sistine Chapel.

It’s  in this room where the Pope will change from his red cardinal vestments to his new, white papal ones. There are various sizes available to accommodate whoever the pope may be.

In this room, the newly elected pope will have a short amount of time to reflect on his decision to accept his new role, and position before he gets introduced to the world, and greet the thousands waiting in St. Peter’s Square and millions watching from around the globe.

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What if the smoke is white?

They used rainbow colored smoke the last time.
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They burn all the votes and add a chemical to make the smoke black or white...they do this after every vote which is 4 a day..

I was a teenager when JP I got chosen on the fourth ballot.  I seem to recall some confusion about the color of the smoke, so it may have been because of that where they decided to 'dope' the ballots with chemicals.



Just looked it up.  'Chemicals' started being added in the 60s.  How appropriate.
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Black smoke billowed out from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel  Thursday morning indicating that no new pope was elected on the second and third ballot.

The 133 cardinals voted twice Thursday morning meaning they will be able to vote two more times this afternoon and if no new pope is elected, they will then retire until Friday.

The cardinals will return to the Sistine Chapel at 9:45 a.m. EST Thursday for the first afternoon vote, which will be the fourth ballot.

At around 11:45 a.m. EST, if someone is elected, they will burn ballots and add chemicals to make white smoke.

If no one gets a two-thirds majority, they save the ballots and vote again at around 1 p.m. EST for a fifth time.

Pope Francis was elected in 2013 on the fifth ballot, while Pope Benedict XVI won in 2005 on the fourth ballot, and Pope Pius XII, elected in 1939 won on the third ballot
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 Here’s what cardinals eat during the conclave — and why ravioli and roast chicken were banned
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Published May 7, 2025, 6:47 p.m. ET

The Catholic cardinals meeting for the conclave are locked in the Sistine Chapel — one of the grandest buildings in the Western world. But their meals are decidedly less elegant.

The food at the cafeteria in Casa Santa Marta consists of little more than simple spaghetti, boiled vegetables, minestrone soup and lamb skewers for the duration of the secret ritual, according to the BBC.

“Food you could eat at a train station,” groused Cardinal Mauro Piacenza — who is from the part of Italy where pesto originated, the New York Times reported.

Others described being served “watery sauce” and bland pasta at the cafeteria, which Pope Francis sought to ensure served simple food during his tenure.

“You don’t eat very well,” said Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, another Italian.

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Here’s what cardinals eat during the conclave — and why ravioli and roast chicken were banned

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That means some foods were banned or carefully inspected at previous conclaves, including whole roast chicken, stuffed ravioli, pies or even rigatoni — all of which were deemed easy targets for clandestine communication.

Wow. I guess they have to keep a close eye on all those crazy cardinals with their culinary conspiracies!
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Here's what to know about the terms you'll hear during the papal transition

Who is the dean of the College of Cardinals?

The current dean is Italian Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re. He is the head of the College of Cardinals who informs the rest of the cardinals and the ambassadors to the Holy See of the pope’s death once he learns of it from the camerlengo. He convenes the conclave and presides as the electors take their oaths. Since Re is 91, he cannot vote, so he will leave the Sistine Chapel once the conclave begins and the most senior cardinal, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, takes over.



What is the Domus Santa Marta?

This Vatican guesthouse, built in 1996, specifically houses cardinals during a conclave and is used at other times as a hotel for visiting priests and Vatican officials. Pope Francis never moved out after he was elected, choosing to live in suite 201 rather than the papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace. Because there are so many electors this time and not enough room in the main building, some are being housed in an adjacent residence.



What does ‘extra omnes’ mean?

A Latin phrase for “all out,” it's spoken by the master for papal liturgical celebrations, currently Italian Archbishop Diego Ravelli, to ask all those present except the cardinal electors to leave the Sistine Chapel to begin the voting process during the conclave.



What does it mean when they say, ‘Habemus Papam’?

This Latin phrase translates to “We have a pope.” These are the words used by the “protodeacon” of the College of Cardinals to announce from the gallery of St. Peter’s Basilica that a new pope has been elected. He then says the new pope's birth name and the name he has chosen to use as pope, also in Latin. The current protodeacon is French Cardinal Dominique Mamberti.



Who are the infirmarii?

These are the three cardinals, chosen by a random drawing from the electors, who are charged with gathering the ballots of any electors who made it to Rome but are ill during the conclave.



Who are the revisers?

These are the three cardinals, chosen by a random drawing from the electors, who are charged with reviewing the ballots during the conclave.



Who are the scrutineers?

These are the three cardinals, chosen by a random drawing from the electors, who are charged with reviewing each ballot and announcing it to the assembled conclave after each round of voting. They then tally the votes — to win the election, two-thirds of the votes are necessary — and they burn the ballots.



What does the saying ‘sede vacante’ mean?

This is Latin for “vacant seat,” the period between the pope’s death or resignation and the election of a new one.



What does the text ‘Universi Dominici Gregis’ contain?

This Latin phrase means “the Lord’s whole flock.” It’s the Vatican constitution that regulates the processes from a pope’s death until a new one is elected. St. John Paul II issued it in 1996 during his papacy, and Pope Benedict XVI twice amended it, most significantly by removing John Paul's provision that after about 12 days of balloting a simple majority could elect a new pope rather than a two-thirds majority. If the conclave lasts that long, the top two vote-getters go to a runoff, with a two-thirds majority required to win. Neither of the top two candidates casts a ballot in the runoff.



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