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Israel approves plan to capture all of Gaza, calls up tens of thousands of reserve troops: report
Israel intends to root out Hamas from southern Gaza
By Anders Hagstrom Fox News
Published May 5, 2025 6:49am EDT

Israeli officials approved a plan to capture all of Gaza and hold it indefinitely on Monday, hours after the military announced it was calling up tens of thousands of reserve troops, the Associated Press reported.

Israeli Cabinet ministers approved the plan in an early morning vote on Monday. Israel currently controls roughly 50% of Gaza, and the plan would see Israeli forces expand into the south. Officials said the plan is set to be implemented gradually, with Israeli forces rooting out Hamas control over territories.

The plan would also seek to prevent the militant Hamas group from distributing humanitarian aid, which Israel says strengthens the group’s rule in Gaza. It also accuses Hamas of keeping the aid for itself to bolster its capabilities. The plan also included powerful strikes against Hamas targets, the officials said.

Violence in Gaza has ramped up once again in the weeks since a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas collapsed in March. The IDF has also vowed to increase operations against the Houthis in Yemen after the terrorist group fired a missile that landed near Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport.

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This is why the Palestinian Arabs can't have nice things - they spend all the International Aid money on rockets and tunnels.
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There will be peace when Israel is the only one left standing in that region.
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There will be peace when Israel is the only one left standing in that region.

Is this the plan @verga ?

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Well, the Israelis already had it all but gave it back because of Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan.  Now they got to pay for the same ground twice.
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Israeli Cabinet ministers approved a plan early Monday to take over the Gaza Strip for an unspecified period of time, a move that dampens hopes of a ceasefire with Hamas in the near term.

Israeli officials suggested the plans, which would mark a sharp turn away from talks proposing an Arab-led transition in Gaza, would not be put into action until after President Trump’s planned Middle East visit later this month.

Israeli officials suggested the plans, which would mark a sharp turn away from talks proposing an Arab-led transition in Gaza, would not be put into action until after President Trump’s planned Middle East visit later this month.

Two Israeli officials confirmed the plans to The Associated Press, as well as other outlets, saying the goal is to increase pressure on Hamas to free hostages held in Gaza and to isolate the militant group from civilian populations to aid in Israel’s goal in destroying Hamas entirely.

Israeli officials also said it would also facilitate aid to civilians, which has been halted for two months under an Israeli siege.

Critics are calling the new plans an occupation, saying there’s little hope for the surviving hostages if Israel follows through.


More:  https://thehill.com/policy/international/5282651-israel-cabinet-plans-gaza/

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Oops .... Guess Israel left too much standing  :shrug:


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Oops .... Guess Israel left too much standing  :shrug:

I'm good with that.  Now finish what's left.
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Well, the Israelis already had it all but gave it back because of Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan.  Now they got to pay for the same ground twice.

Israel left the Strip in Sept 2005..as proposed by PM Sharon and agreed to by the Knesset in 2003. 

Many hold the opinion that Israel physically removed its settlements and citizens in 2005 and continued its control of the region through restrictions on armaments, employment, travel, electricity, clean water, health care and food.





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@Right_in_Virginia Run the numbers. Israel si the only democracy in the area. Every country around them wants them wiped off the face of the earth. How else to you see Peace in the middle east happening?
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Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt. Egypt refused because they do not want anything having to deal with vicious murderous so-called 'Palestinians'.

Israel tried to give Gaza to the PLO. The PLO then gave it to Iran/Hamas who turned it into a giant armed military base aimed at Israel.

Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza. But, the other Arab States have given them no choice. Gaza will never be what it was before Oct 7 again. They shot their chance at a military conquest of Israel and failed. They will never get another chance.
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Level gaza and drive the palis out (again, Somalia would be a good location for them).
EVERYONE removed and gone.

Grind everything that remains down to sand.
Leave it that way for 30-40 years.

Then annex it to Israel and turn it into their "southwestern garden"...

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If Gaza wanted to be a true country and not a terrorist haven, it would have happened long ago. I keep thinking the Palis will rise up and say no more and boot Hamas. Maybe they are too beaten down and fed too much propaganda. But Israel taking control of the region could very well be the best thing that could happen. For the Palis and Israel.

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@Right_in_Virginia Run the numbers. Israel si the only democracy in the area. Every country around them wants them wiped off the face of the earth. How else to you see Peace in the middle east happening?

It takes two sides to make peace @verga, just as it takes two sides to make war.    Given that the Six Day War is in its 58th year, I think it's safe to assume there will no peace, and both sides are okay with it.

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Maybe they are too beaten down and fed too much propaganda. But Israel taking control of the region could very well be the best thing that could happen. For the Palis and Israel.

Israel has had control of the Gaza Strip for decades.   How's it working out?




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@Right_in_Virginia Run the numbers. Israel si the only democracy in the area.

Israel is another theocracy in the region.

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Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People (Hebrew: חוֹק יְסוֹד: יִשְׂרָאֵל—מְדִינַת הַלְּאוֹם שֶׁל הָעַם הַיְּהוּדִי), informally known as the Nation-State Bill (חוֹק הַלְּאוֹם) or the Nationality Bill, is an Israeli Basic Law that specifies the country's significance to the Jewish people. It was passed by the Knesset—with 62 in favour, 55 against, and two abstentions—on 19 July 2018 (7 Av 5778)[2][3] and is largely symbolic and declarative in nature.

The law outlines a number of roles and responsibilities by which Israel is bound in order to fulfill the purpose of serving as the Jews' nation-state. However, it was met with sharp backlash internationally and has been characterized as racist and undemocratic by some critics. After it was passed, several groups in the Jewish diaspora expressed concern that it was actively violating Israel's self-defined legal status as a "Jewish and democratic state" in exchange for adopting an exclusively Jewish identity. The European Union stated that the Nation-State Bill had complicated the Israeli–Palestinian peace process, while the Arab League, the Palestine Liberation Organization, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, and the Muslim World League condemned it as a manifestation of apartheid.

Basic Principles

A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established.

B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious, and historical right to self-determination.

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People#Content_of_the_Basic_Law

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Israel is another theocracy in the region.
Lived in Israel for years. It is as far from a theocracy as the moon. Homosexuals, drugs/alcohol, every perversion, every religion on Earth exists freely in Israel. The State according to its very foundation is Judeocentric, but it is very, very, far from a theocracy. In fact, the biggest motivator for protests and riots in Israel is any hint of theocracy creeping into the government.

Most people do not understand that the majority of Israelis are emphatically and very passionately anti-religion of any kind. However, they are simultaneously pro-Jewish and honor most Jewish traditions as a heritage, not as a religion.
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For our resident jew hater and pro hamas/Pali sympathizer.  The palis FU one time too many and they about to FO.  Isreal knows that the only good pali is a dead pali.

Well, this reaction didn't take long.  :shrug:

We do Israel no favors by running from a full and honest discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian long conflict. Until both sides are satisfied they've spilled enough blood, there will be no peace.

And, without the hope of peace, what are we trying to accomplish?

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Lived in Israel for years. It is as far from a theocracy as the moon.

What years did you live there?

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@Right_in_Virginia Run the numbers. Israel si the only democracy in the area. Every country around them wants them wiped off the face of the earth. How else to you see Peace in the middle east happening?

Israel is also the only country in the region that offers citizenship to Palestinians.
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Lived in Israel for years. It is as far from a theocracy as the moon.

You got that right.  Israel is about as secular as it gets.
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Well, this reaction didn't take long.  :shrug:

We do Israel no favors by running from a full and honest discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian long conflict.

"honest"  -  lol
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"honest"  -  lol

Simple test:  If the conversation is honest both sides will feel uncomfortable.   happy77

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Israel is also the only country in the region that offers citizenship to Palestinians.

True.  But the highest class of citizenship is reserved for one group and membership is based on religion. 

From July 2018:

Basic Principles

A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established.

B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious, and historical right to self-determination.

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.

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Israel's parliament has passed a controversial law characterising the country as principally a Jewish state, fuelling anger among its Arab minority.

The "nation state" law says Jews have a unique right to national self-determination there and puts Hebrew above Arabic as the official language.

Arab MPs reacted furiously in parliament, with one waving a black flag and others ripping up the bill.

Israel's prime minister praised the bill's passage as a "defining moment".

"A hundred and twenty-two years after [the founder of modern Zionism Theodore] Herzl made his vision known, with this law we determined the founding principle of our existence," Benjamin Netanyahu said.

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Among its 11 provisions, it describes Israel as "the national home of the Jewish people" and says the right to exercise national self-determination there is "unique to the Jewish people".

It also reiterates the status of Jerusalem under Israeli law, which defines the city - part of which is claimed by the Palestinians as the capital of a future state - as the "complete and united... capital of Israel".

Controversially, the law singles out Hebrew as the "state's language", effectively prioritising it above Arabic which has for decades been recognised as an official language alongside Hebrew.  It ascribes Arabic "special status" and says its standing before the law came into effect will not be harmed.

In one of its clauses, the law stresses the importance of "development of Jewish settlement as a national value", though it is unclear whether this also alludes to settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Why was this law created?

The question of Israel's status as a Jewish state is politically controversial and has long been debated. Before now, it has not been enshrined in law.

Some Israeli Jewish politicians consider that the founding principles of Israel's creation, as a state for Jews in their ancient homeland, are under threat and could become less relevant, or obsolete, in the future.

Fears over the high birth-rate of Israeli Arabs, as well as possible alternatives to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which could challenge Israel's Jewish majority, have spurred on calls to anchor the Jewishness of Israel in law.

The issue of Israel as a Jewish state has become increasingly important in recent years and a key dispute between Israel and the Palestinians.

Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly insisted that the Palestinians must recognise Israel as a Jewish state in any final peace settlement. He argues that the Palestinians' refusal to do so is the biggest obstacle to peace, saying it demonstrates that the Palestinians do not genuinely recognise Israel's right to exist.


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True.  But the highest class of citizenship is reserved for .  .  .

So we're talking citizenship v. never-under-any-circumstance-a-citizen.  Got it.
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Simple test:  If the conversation is honest both sides will feel uncomfortable

"Uncomfortableness" has nothing to do with honesty ... you can make someone uncomfortable just by asking creepy sexual questions

Better measurements of honesty are - Do people do what they promised? Do their words and actions match?

For example, Hamas signed a legal agreement promising to release all its hostages ... since they reneged on that, we now see them as dishonest and untrustworthy

Similarly, Putin "claims" to want Peace, yet constantly attacks Ukraine ... so, that mis-match between his words and actions tells us that Russia is lying when they say they want Peace
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Level gaza and drive the palis out (again, Somalia would be a good location for them).
EVERYONE removed and gone.

Grind everything that remains down to sand.
Leave it that way for 30-40 years.

Then annex it to Israel and turn it into their "southwestern garden"...
Ding ding doing we have a winner no more calls. Exactly right.
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"Uncomfortableness" has nothing to do with honesty ... you can make someone uncomfortable just by asking creepy sexual questions

Better measurements of honesty are - Do people do what they promised? Do their words and actions match?

For example, Hamas signed a legal agreement promising to release all its hostages ... since they reneged on that, we now see them as dishonest and untrustworthy

You're just presenting the same PR script wrapped in different paper @Canuck Conservative   

A truly honest discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian ongoing conflict would, indeed, make people uncomfortable --- because it would have to also include the issues Israel has reneged on, lied about and whether or not we now see them as dishonest and untrustworthy.  Right of return would be a good place to begin an honest discussion ---- it has been bleeding all over the Middle East for generations.

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So we're talking citizenship v. never-under-any-circumstance-a-citizen.  Got it.

No, I don't think you get it.  The problem for Israel is the religious apartheid lurking behind the Nation State bill. 

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Spending all this resource and loss of lives on both sides is terrible.

Israel should have never surrendered Gaza in the first place as it was a model of organization and productivity before handing it over.
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Israel has had control of the Gaza Strip for decades.   How's it working out?



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I would disagree about who has controlled Gaza "for decades". But it really doesn't surprise me that you and I would be on opposite sides of the fence on this. happy77

But looking at things, would the Palis be better off under a prosperous nation or a group of terrorists? They can't continue as they are. And no other Arab country is willing to help or take them in.

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But looking at things, would the Palis be better off under a prosperous nation or a group of terrorists? They can't continue as they are. And no other Arab country is willing to help or take them in.

Why @berdie , are the Palestinian leaders called "a group of terrorists"? 

Methinks the whole of the Middle East would have been better off if the Palestinians could have formed their own nation state in their own homeland --- or if Israel had formally annexed the territory, with the people living in it.

Lastly, it's true the Arab world is not willing to help or take in the Palestinians.  This reaction is not new ---- the world witnessed a similar reaction when Western nations were not willing to help or take in Jewish Europeans in the 1930s and 1940s.




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Why, are the Palestinian leaders called "a group of terrorists"? 

Methinks the whole of the Middle East would have been better off if the Palestinians could have formed their own nation state in their own homeland --- or if Israel had formally annexed the territory, with the people living in it.
Because they ARE terrorists. To their own people and to their Arab neighbors they are terrorists.

It is my opinion that your view of the situation is naïve and lacking in knowledge. Not saying that as an insult at all. That is just my opinion. These things that you say, these beautiful revelations have all been said hundreds of times before by hundreds of Israeli citizens and diplomats. Some of them have even been tried and failed.

Look. The absolute bottom line is that the so-called Palestinians DO NOT WANT PEACE. There is no way Israel can 'force' peace on them if they refuse to accept it. They would rather die than to accept any peace with Israel under ANY circumstances or compromises.

Shimon Preres and Ehud Barak (along with many others) read the PLO Charter in detail. They offered Arafat every single thing he claimed to want as a Palestinian Leader. Arafat played around, delayed and stalled, hemmed and hawed, and eventually rejected the offer. Arafat rejected the offer of EVERYTHING he claimed to want.

He did this because the Palestinian Goal is not peace or an independent State. The only goal of the Palestinian movement is the destruction and conquest of all of Israel. And that is only the beginning. If they were ever able conquer Israel, they would take time to stabilize and to build up arms then they would immediately attack Lebanon and Jordan. The Palestinian mindset is incompatible with peace. They do not understand it and they do not want it. If they did, this entire situation would have been solved 50 years ago.
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Level gaza and drive the palis out (again, Somalia would be a good location for them).
EVERYONE removed and gone.

Grind everything that remains down to sand.
Leave it that way for 30-40 years.

Then annex it to Israel and turn it into their "southwestern garden"...

I do wish the people who favor ethnic cleansing would be more forthright, like this.  The arab world is going to object, but it's far preferable to starving the Gazans to death, as reverend Huckabee suggested, or burying them alive as is the preferred method of the likudniks. 

Within a few years, the United States will be expected to offer asylum to the Palestinians, rebuild Gaza for the Palestinians, or pay the arab neighbors to absorb the population.  They can be bought.  We already pay the surrounding countries to play nice with Israel.  If this is unbearable, then I'd like to know what conservatives expect to happen.  Two million people can't live in tents while the Israelis blockade food supplies and periodically go in and shoot up the place.  It's a humanitarian disaster. 

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It's a humanitarian disaster.

One of their own making.  Sorry. Not sorry.
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Because they ARE terrorists. To their own people and to their Arab neighbors they are terrorists.

Everyone is a terrorist at one time or another, according to Israel.  Otherwise, they're partners.

Hamas has long been an Israeli partner made possible through Israel's authorization to keep billions flowing to Hamas through Qatar--- a scheme to support Netanyahu and his Likud Party's obsessive need to keep the West Bank and the Gaza Strip from forming one nation state. 

Many believe nothing that happened in the Gaza Strip surprised the Netanyahu regime --- not the tunnels (called "the Hamas Metro"),  not the military build up, not the plans for Oct. 7.

But, Netanyahu chose badly --- the opportunity for military action and settlement expansion in the West Bank were so attractive to Netanyahu that he became over-confident that the Hamas attack would be minor, if at all.   Classic hubris.

Now Hamas is publicly rechristened "terrorists", the money transfers and leverage have dried up and Netanyahu must keep killing to save the one hide that matters most to him.

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Look. The absolute bottom line is that the so-called Palestinians DO NOT WANT PEACE. There is no way Israel can 'force' peace on them if they refuse to accept it. They would rather die than to accept any peace with Israel under ANY circumstances or compromises.

The US and Israel would have been better off these past 35 years if SOS Baker's clarion call had been implemented as US policy in 1990:

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But Baker's sharpest words were reserved for Shamir. He said the failure last March of an 11-month U.S. effort to bring about an Israeli-Palestinian dialogue and the subsequent collapse of Israel's broad-based unity government were primarily the fault of Shamir's hard-line refusal to accept what the United States regarded as reasonable compromises.

He also expressed concern that Shamir's new government, which took office Monday after three months of political deadlock in Israel, is composed of elements unwilling to make any meaningful gestures toward dialogue with the Palestinian inhabitants of Israeli-occupied territories.

Before coming to yesterday's hearing, Baker said, he had seen reports quoting officials of the new government as saying that the U.S. plan for dialogue no longer was relevant and listing conditions that the Palestinians must accept in advance of any talks.

"Now if that's going to be the approach, and if that's going to be the attitude, there won't be any dialogue, and there won't be any peace, and the United States of America can't make it happen. You can't, I can't, the president can't," he said. "And so, it's going to take some really good-faith affirmative effort on the part of our good friends in Israel."

And "If we don't get it, and we can't get it quickly, I have to tell you . . . that everybody over there should know that the telephone number is 1-202-456-1414. When you're serious about peace, call us."

More:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/06/14/baker-says-israel-must-compromise/49371de6-8137-48cb-996f-9af3177c2d63/


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There's a reason Egypt and Jordan won't take them ... they are a disruptive, terrorist enclave that would force Israeli reprisals upon their countries for acts of terror committed by Palestinian Arabs.

Jordan would prefer they stay on the West Bank so they remain Israel's problem.  Egypt would prefer they stay in Gaza so they remain Israel's problem.

The Palestinian Arabs won't accept defeat, won't accept Israel's right to exist, and they will continue to be agitators in the region.  Destroying Israel is their raison d'être.
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This is why the Palestinian Arabs can't have nice things - they spend all the International Aid money on rockets and tunnels.

That's what the aid was really for all along.
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Now Hamas is publicly rechristened "terrorists", the money transfers and leverage have dried up and Netanyahu must keep killing to save the one hide that matters most to him.


What are you babbling about?  Hamas has ALWAYS been a terrorist organization, just like FATAH, the PLO, the PFLP, Hezbollah, Black September, etc, etc...

Remember when Hamas was using children as suicide bombers to blow up Israelis in the 1990s?









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That's what the aid was really for all along.
You have a very bizarre point of view concerning Israel. I do not agree with a word of it, but it is unique in the sense that I have never heard anything like it before. Hamas and Netanyahu are in some kind of partnership to promote terrorism against Israel?

Points for originality ... that is way out there. Hamas has always been called terrorists since their beginning. They call themselves terrorists as does most of the world. Hamas being terrorists has nothing to do with Netanyahu and does not depend on his approval of the term. Hamas does not depend on Netanyahu to support them. They have Iran for that.

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The Palestinian Arabs won't accept defeat, won't accept Israel's right to exist, and they will continue to be agitators in the region.  Destroying Israel is their raison d'être.

Again left off this  pointing-up  list of Palestinian motivations is:  the Palestinian Arabs want out of the open air prison Israel has locked them in until death, however delivered, frees them.

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What are you babbling about?  Hamas has ALWAYS been a terrorist organization, just like FATAH, the PLO, the PFLP, Hezbollah, Black September, etc, etc...

"Terrorist" is a fluid definition for the Netanyahu regime.  Rule of thumb:  When Mossad agents are transporting cash filled suitcases from Qatar through Israel to Hamas in Gaza, the "terrorist" is dropped.   
 

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"Terrorist" is a fluid definition for the Netanyahu regime.  Rule of thumb:  When Mossad agents are transporting cash filled suitcases from Qatar through Israel to Hamas in Gaza, the "terrorist" is dropped.
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Please tell me where you got this info. I do not believe it, but I would very much like to read whatever you guys are reading. lol
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Again left off this  pointing-up  list of Palestinian motivations is:  the Palestinian Arabs want out of the open air prison Israel has locked them in until death, however delivered, frees them.

Complete, total, and utter horseshit.
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Again left off this  pointing-up  list of Palestinian motivations is:  the Palestinian Arabs want out of the open air prison Israel has locked them in until death, however delivered, frees them.



They are in an "open air prison" because of Hamas and the inability to find a decent leader. Let's face it...they sit on some prime real estate. If properly administered, the international aid they have  received could have them in a very positive position. Not building tunnels and buying weapons. Maybe, just maybe, they could have built their own infrastructure and wouldn't have to rely on Isreal. Maybe, just maybe, they could accept and realize that Isreal is a country and start sweeping around their own front door and prosper.

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Please tell me where you got this info. I do not believe it, but I would very much like to read whatever you guys are reading. lol

From the Israeli presses.  I posted multiple articles and links at least five or six times back when the war started. Those threads are still available.  @240B

FWIW, one of the reasons Netanyahu is still hellbent on war is he's convinced his political allies that no investigation/public hearing into the lead-up to Oct 7 can begin with soldiers still fighting.  Bibi's running as fast as he can.

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They are in an "open air prison" because of Hamas and the inability to find a decent leader.

There's a school of thought @berdie that the continuing Israeli/Palestinian conflict boils down to demographics and birthrates: Arabs are prolific, Jewish Israelis are not.

Israel wants the territory, but would lose the struggle to keep Jews the majority in Israel if the territories were annexed with the indigenous people living there.  Without a Jewish majority, there is no Jewish State of Israel.

This school of thought goes on to postulate the Palestinians are living in an open air prison because Israel can't decide whether to ethnically cleanse them or ethnically eliminate them.  What upsets me most about this is the US, the last bastion of freedom and justice, has apparently grown comfortable with either.

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From the Israeli presses.  I posted multiple articles and links at least five or six times back when the war started. Those threads are still available.  @240B

FWIW, one of the reasons Netanyahu is still hellbent on war is he's convinced his political allies that no investigation/public hearing into the lead-up to Oct 7 can begin with soldiers still fighting.  Bibi's running as fast as he can.
OK. Please provide one link and I can research more from there.
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From the Israeli presses.  I posted multiple articles and links at least five or six times back when the war started.

You did no such thing.

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