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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2025, 01:01:39 pm »
No, in fact, it's not. This is tremendous damage.

Sorry my friend but you clearly don't know what you are talking about here.
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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2025, 01:04:06 pm »
Maybe Americans should stop buying stuff they don't need and tight their belts.  Save some money and pay down their consumer debt.  If people don't buy stuff prices will fall.

That don't help folks on the bottom end of things. That sure don't help folks trying to put products together or getting parts for fixing things.

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2025, 01:06:01 pm »
Basically the government deciding for the people what's good for them.

You mean like take the jab. Stay locked up in you house and like it.   Nah.  Never again.
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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2025, 01:06:26 pm »
'Can and should' have nothing to do with it. Those parts won't suddenly and magically pop up being made here. .

I'm so grateful we've an administration that does not share your oppressive loser POV.  The supply chain matters and is one of the dominate spokes in the redesign of the global trading system --- whether or not you like it, agree with it or understand it.

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2025, 01:07:10 pm »
That don't help folks on the bottom end of things. That sure don't help folks trying to put products together or getting parts for fixing things.

You are a regular Tim Taylor.  You'll figure it out.
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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2025, 01:08:49 pm »
Sorry my friend but you clearly don't know what you are talking about here.

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
In order for a tariff to have no effect on Americans, there has to be an alternative to choose.
There is not.

This will increase costs on Americans and this will cause shortages.

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2025, 01:13:03 pm »
I know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
In order for a tariff to have no effect on Americans, there has to be an alternative to choose.
There is not.

This will increase costs on Americans and this will cause shortages.

You need to get outdoors and breathe in some fresh air.  I think you got a severe cabin fever.  You ain't making sense.
Either that or you need to take Sargent Adrian Cronauer's advice.
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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2025, 01:13:46 pm »
I'm so grateful we've an administration that does not share your oppressive loser POV.  The supply chain matters and is one of the dominate spokes in the redesign of the global trading system --- whether or not you like it, agree with it or understand it.

Moronic bullshit.
The supply chain does not change overnight. Tumpy can't waive his magic wand and cause industry to pop up fully formed, ready to give Americans jobs.

What will happen is the same damn thing that happened last time. Spiraling parts costs and shortages.

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2025, 01:39:43 pm »
You mean like take the jab. Stay locked up in you house and like it.   Nah.  Never again.

 :shrug: So we're in agreement then?

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2025, 01:58:56 pm »
:shrug: So we're in agreement then?

Nope.  Not at all.  I don't accept your premise.
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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2025, 02:18:28 pm »
Moronic bullshit.
The supply chain does not change overnight. Tumpy can't waive his magic wand and cause industry to pop up fully formed, ready to give Americans jobs.

You sound predictably bitter and surprisingly uninformed --- making reading your words a complete waste of time.   buh bye

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2025, 02:28:13 pm »
Reagan has a big warning about tariffs that Conservatives are conveniently forgetting...


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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2025, 02:36:11 pm »
Reagan has a big warning about tariffs that Conservatives are conveniently forgetting...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5QK03KXPc

RWR's premise was on Free and FAIR The past 30 years have been anything but so.  Me, I'm tired of our country have the "Kick Me" sign on our back.   I say let DJT use the tariff leverage, and watch how much of them fall by the wayside towards free and fair...... due to negotiative terms. 

There will those that don't, and we will just have to find alternative sourcing or enhance inermal national industrial output.
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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2025, 02:41:50 pm »
You sound predictably bitter and surprisingly uninformed

Nope. Just involved in manufacturing and contracting all my life. I know exactly what it takes to build a business, to build a supply chain, and how to successfully compete in a repetitive construction and manufacturing market.

The problems in American supply are endemic, and have not been fixed... Paramount among them the high cost and low quality of American labor. Then there's JIT thinking caused by taxing inventory, which means there is no way to create a substantial inventory buffer. Then there's EPA and OSHA regulations that create impossible barriers. And that's just off the top of my head.

Fixing American business is going to take years and years. Decades of government getting the hell out of the way and making a place that is good for business. Not a single presidential term.

And it's gonna take fixing that FIRST. Because no business is going to want to be forced to play here. And the minute they can, they will go right back to wherever favors them.

That all means Congress. Ratified and written in law. That is what supplies a stable and ongoing change. Tumpy can write EOs till the cows come home. Folks will figure out another way to make money without the US and wait for fair weather (four years from now).

That means shortages here, when Asian companies can't make money at it, so stop supply...
Or more cost as Asian companies pass costs on to the American People...

Because there is no American alternative.

Different story if you want to fire up an American industry and impose a tariff to protect that industry while it is young... Give it room to grow.

But if you think a tariff to protect the fat asses in Detroit and the fat asses in the labor unions - If you think that's a good thing, you're in for a real surprise.

FAFO. Here we go.

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Re: To cut your tariff, buy American stuff
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2025, 05:53:51 pm »
Weird expounded:
"I don't understand why it has to be 100% American though. Any significant assembling in the US adds to the local economy and such. It's a ridiculous position IMO to believe if it's not 100% American then it's invalid."

That's a good point.

I recall reading a day or two back that the vehicles with the most "American-made" components were (are you ready?):
- Honda
- Tesla
- Toyota

Take it with a grain of salt, just something I recall reading, may or may not be true.

So... I'm wondering if a Toyota RAV (assembled in Canada) might have MORE "American content" than a Ford product assembled in the U.S.