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Tell me again why we're still part of NATO.

So my sons don't have to bleed in Europe like their great-grandfather did.
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So my sons don't have to bleed in Europe like their great-grandfather did.

Remind me why the 11th largest GDP (and dropping like a rock), and a county wlth basically a collapsed currency is that level of threat?

Or do you have intel that the Chicoms have their eyes on a European attack?
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So my sons don't have to bleed in Europe like their great-grandfather did.

How are you protecting your sons from dying in another European war by tying the cement wagons of war-mongering inbreds to our star of independence?

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I don't see a realistic means of seizing another country's resources, obviously against their will, besides war. Either way, be it by war or extortion, theft is theft. We don't have the right to another country's resources.

Um, buy it? If they don't want to sell, buy it somewhere else?
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This "Greenland" matter...to me it's akin to a major 'friendly' ally nation wanting to squat on a bit of Greenland's wilderness to keep the Western hemisphere protected from encroaching adversaries up to no good.

The Monroe Doctrine...extended?

Keeping our enemies in check on the world 'chess board'.

It's not like we're sneaking in there under cover of darkness
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If it were negotiating for a piece of Greenland, particularly the territory around Thule Air Force Base and possibly some territory that would give access to that base that'd be one thing.

But Trump is pushing full-out conquest of the whole island.
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Um, buy it? If they don't want to sell, buy it somewhere else?
"Against their will" I assumed made it clear they won't sell.

And if they're not selling, you're not buying them. And if they're available somewhere else willingly, it's a moot point.
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Which is it @Weird Tolkienish Figure --- alI the voices in your head think I want war over Greenland, or just one of them thinks I do?
Well, do you?

And if you don't, what's your means for forcing the Greenlanders to give up their mineral rights against their will?
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Remind me why the 11th largest GDP (and dropping like a rock), and a county wlth basically a collapsed currency is that level of threat?

Or do you have intel that the Chicoms have their eyes on a European attack?


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Incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid.

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I can see going to war against Canada if they ever try to force us to take Quebec.

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If it were negotiating for a piece of Greenland, particularly the territory around Thule Air Force Base and possibly some territory that would give access to that base that'd be one thing.

But Trump is pushing full-out conquest of the whole island.

Don't listen to this  pointing-up. guy.  This is not about a conquest, this is about shoving China out of Greenland.  They're already there and contracting for minerals needed for energy and modern technologies --- not to mention nesting 1500 miles from our capital.




I wish the esteemed cadre of military strategists around here would stay on the Ukraine thread where they're needed to fight WWII.   


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I bleeping hate the Mercator Projection, it completely distorts the northern regions. That makes it look like Greenland is twice the size of the Lower 48, when in fact it's one quarter the size.

BTW, current polling says 85% of Greenlanders don't want to join the US.

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War?  Who wants to go to war over Canada or Greenland?  Other than Lindsey Graham?

Depends on who the war is with. Do you remember Grenada? They didn't even wake Reagan up.
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I bleeping hate the Mercator Projection, it completely distorts the northern regions. That makes it look like Greenland is twice the size of the Lower 48, when in fact it's one quarter the size.

It's pretty big - if overlain, it would extend from Winnipeg down to Brownsville Texas.  Mercator is really unfair to Africa. 



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BTW, current polling says 85% of Greenlanders don't want to join the US.

I wonder how different that number would be if Trump had gone to Greenlanders first, and offered $1 million per resident? 

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Don't listen to this  pointing-up. guy.  This is not about a conquest, this is about shoving China out of Greenland.  They're already there and contracting for minerals needed for energy and modern technologies --- not to mention nesting 1500 miles from our capital.




I wish the esteemed cadre of military strategists around here would stay on the Ukraine thread where they're needed to fight WWII.

Didn't realize----

Bangor Maine to Nanotalik, Greenland- 1435 miles
Hanstholm, Denmark to Nanotalike, Greenland- 1894 miles

If this is criticial to Europe / USA defense....   Who should control it?
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I wonder how different that number would be if Trump had gone to Greenlanders first, and offered $1 million per resident?

Not sure it really would have made a difference in selling US admission.

The stumbling-block there is the same one that's here in Canada, the one that nobody wants to talk about ... not health care, but the appalling level of violent crime, especially violent crime with guns, in America.

Left unsaid, joining the US also means an open-gun policy, and it also means giving free access to every violent criminal in America.

Look, I'm an Ameri-phile, I support (most of) what Trump's doing, but even I say "no thanks" to that. I don't need to own an AR-15 that badly.
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Not sure it really would have made a difference in selling US admission.

The stumbling-block there is the same one that's here in Canada, the one that nobody wants to talk about ... not health care, but the appalling level of violent crime, especially violent crime with guns, in America.

Left unsaid, joining the US also means an open-gun policy, and it also means giving free access to every violent criminal in America.

Look, I'm an Ameri-phile, I support (most of) what Trump's doing, but even I say "no thanks" to that. I don't need to own an AR-15 that badly.

The gun debate is a distraction.  If Canada had America’s demographics, it would have our crime rates as well.  Carney had best step up border security, as many of those who broke into our country will flee to the north over the next few years. 

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Saw on the wire that Greenland (under duress) has formed a sovereign, or psudo-soverign government.

The drama on this visit might be anticlimactic after all.
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Saw on the wire that Greenland (under duress) has formed a sovereign, or psudo-soverign government.

They just had a multi-party election where no one party got a majority, so they were trying to form a coalition government ... that has now happened.

That's why they were particularly upset about the Vance visit, because it happened before the Government was formed.
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Not sure it really would have made a difference in selling US admission.

The stumbling-block there is the same one that's here in Canada, the one that nobody wants to talk about ... not health care, but the appalling level of violent crime, especially violent crime with guns, in America.

Left unsaid, joining the US also means an open-gun policy, and it also means giving free access to every violent criminal in America.

Look, I'm an Ameri-phile, I support (most of) what Trump's doing, but even I say "no thanks" to that. I don't need to own an AR-15 that badly.


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Remind me why the 11th largest GDP (and dropping like a rock), and a county wlth basically a collapsed currency is that level of threat?

Or do you have intel that the Chicoms have their eyes on a European attack?

OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!!  22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan

https://nypost.com/2025/03/27/world-news/putin-threatens-us-over-desire-to-acquire-greenland/

Putin threatens US over Greenland ambition: ‘We will not allow encroachments’



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I don't need to own an AR-15 that badly.

Firearms for most people in America are just like fire extinguishers.

You don't buy a fire extinguisher because you hope you have a fire to put out, do you? Of course not.

You buy one because in case of fire there's no substitute for it.

Ditto with firearms.

And IMHO your government crossed that line of 'need' when the bastards were arresting people for refusing vaccines, protesting lock-downs, and posting things critical of the government, the vax, and the accursed Muslims.

Canada like the UK is in in dire need of a revolt to overthrow your increasingly tyrannical government before it's too late.

But no, you people won't fight for your freedom when the price is low. You'll wait and one day wonder why you learned NOTHING from history:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

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OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!!  22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan

https://nypost.com/2025/03/27/world-news/putin-threatens-us-over-desire-to-acquire-greenland/

Putin threatens US over Greenland ambition: ‘We will not allow encroachments’

Did the boogey man scare you too, when you were 5 ?  Threaten us?  They couldn't even conquer Ukraine.   
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Did the boogey man scare you too, when you were 5 ?  Threaten us?  They couldn't even conquer Ukraine.   

Because, so far, Ukraine is getting support - albeit not enough to actually fully actualize their capabilities - from that part of the world that claims to be in favor of freedom.  But now Trump is threatening to sell out Ukraine, and turn U.S. claims to support freedom into lies.

And after Ukraine, the next step will be into the Baltics, and then NATO will necessarily be involved, and it will become a hot war directly between the U.S. and Russia - unless, of course, Trump wimps out completely and sells out the Baltics to Russia as well.

Trump is apparently trying to out-Chamberlain Neville Chamberlain.

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Did the boogey man scare you too, when you were 5 ?  Threaten us?  They couldn't even conquer Ukraine.   

If the guy who has a military and isn't afraid to use it threatens you then you take him seriously. Lots of people like you back in the 1930's thought the Japanese were a joke. Until they showed us they weren't.

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If the guy who has a military and isn't afraid to use it threatens you then you take him seriously. Lots of people like you back in the 1930's thought the Japanese were a joke. Until they showed us they weren't.

I am well aware of the most imminent threat our country faces...... 

...and I find it strange that the Uke at all cost crowd never even barely mentions the Chicoms.  Why is that?  I guess the koolaid bucket never goes dry.
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