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Do We Have an Amy Coney Barrett Problem?
« on: March 07, 2025, 11:14:39 am »
Do We Have an Amy Coney Barrett Problem?

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Was putting Justice Amy Coney Barrett on the Supreme Court a mistake? It wouldn’t be the first. John Roberts was a blunder. David Souter was another, the late Ted Kennedy and John Kerry tried to smear Souter as a right-wing nut. We used to call her Notorious ACB—the anti-Ruth Bader Ginsburg: conservative and Catholic. Liberals melted down when Donald Trump pushed her through in 2020.

Now, she’s been one to hand us some brutal defeats on serious constitutional questions, like allowing district courts to paralyze the executive. Jeff wrote about the Supreme Court compelling the Trump administration to unfreeze the aid which was placed under a 90-day moratorium by the president:

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The Supreme Court has rejected the Trump administration’s request to vacate a lower court order requiring it to release about $2 billion in foreign aid that it had previously frozen.

The dispute centered on whether the district court possessed the authority to override President Donald Trump’s pause on the disbursement of foreign aid. The court let the ruling stand by a slim majority.

The debate over the matter began when President Trump decided to halt foreign aid disbursements. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a temporary restraining order on February 13 preventing the administration from making this move. The same court issued an order on February 25 compelling the White House to release the $2 billion payments for services that had already been rendered.

The White House appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court, arguing that the district court lacked the authority to issue the ruling.

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Re: Do We Have an Amy Coney Barrett Problem?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2025, 11:17:31 am »
Yes. Barrett has been a disappointment and I believe she will continue to be as left leaning as Roberts.

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2025, 11:17:40 am »
I am more concerned with the 20 year problem we've had with John Roberts, who on cue screws us over on every close vote.

I truly believe he is compromised.
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Re: Do We Have an Amy Coney Barrett Problem?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2025, 11:19:31 am »
I am more concerned with the 20 year problem we've had with John Roberts, who on cue screws us over on every close vote.

I truly believe he is compromised.

Me, too.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2025, 11:31:04 am »
I am more concerned with the 20 year problem we've had with John Roberts, who on cue screws us over on every close vote.

I truly believe he is compromised.

The judges move to the DC area and suddenly want to be invited to all the cocktail parties.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2025, 11:59:43 am »
In all fairness, she did warn us -----


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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2025, 12:02:11 pm »
In all fairness, she did warn us -----


Shit...  why did Trump even nominate her?
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2025, 12:46:35 pm »
Shit...  why did Trump even nominate her?

@catfish1957

That photo is from her confirmation hearing and at the time was considered a sign of genius, that she didn't need to take notes.  Now it's looking like a sign of a blank slate.

She was highly recommended by conservative groups with a good shot at being confirmed so late in an election year.

Around Briefer City, folks were quite pleased --- especially with her reported prolife views.




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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2025, 12:53:40 pm »
@catfish1957

That photo is from her confirmation hearing and at the time was considered a sign of genius, that she didn't need to take notes.  Now it's looking like a sign of a blank slate.

She was highly recommended by conservative groups with a good shot at being confirmed so late in an election year.

Around Briefer City, folks were quite pleased --- especially with her reported prolife views.

But now is looking like a sequel to Anthony Kennedy.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2025, 01:14:22 pm »
Watch this! Very informative and I think he's right.


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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2025, 01:56:21 pm »
@catfish1957

That photo is from her confirmation hearing and at the time was considered a sign of genius, that she didn't need to take notes.  Now it's looking like a sign of a blank slate.

She was highly recommended by conservative groups with a good shot at being confirmed so late in an election year.

Around Briefer City, folks were quite pleased --- especially with her reported prolife views.

Only if you believed the bullshit. 

Remember I told all y'all that the SCOTUS picks were a pig in a poke? Y'all wanted to give Tumpy all the credit up front, and I was arguing against that becuase it takes a while to understand how any SC Justice is going to actually vote.

To hear all the bullcrap flying around (which y'all were cheering) The court had turned hard right, with all of the Tumpy nominees standing in the shadow of Anthony Scalia.

As it turns out, not so much. The only one to make his bones was, surprisingly, Gorsuch. He is the only one quintessentially on the hard right.

So Tumpy gets the credit for that one. But ONLY that one, so far.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2025, 02:01:13 pm »
I have a problem with all three of Trump's appointees.  It appears to me they take turns siding with the liberals on the court, and we all know that Roberts is a liberal, for on critical votes, he is often on the wrong side of an issue.

And yes he is compromised.  Robert and McCain are the reason we still have the nightmare Obamacare, which has driven the cost of healthcare through the roof.

I know many working stiffs that had healthcare before Obamacare, but they cannot afford it now and go without it. 

And in general, I think the time has come to give the courts a haircut.  Not sure how to make it happen, but they think they have power that in my opinion, they should not have.  And in my mindset, they are NOT the last word about anything.  They screw up more than just about anyone!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2025, 06:05:08 pm »
But now is looking like a sequel to Anthony Kennedy.

She'll be worse than that @catfish1957    I wish there had been enough time to not rush her nomination. 

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2025, 06:12:47 pm »

I tried to tell you. I did. I got excoriated for it.
And here we are.


Awww shut the hell   up!

You tried to tell us "Tumpy" was Orange Man Bad for years, while hiding under a cloak of 'Conservatism'.

And here we are.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2025, 06:16:53 pm »
Awww shut the hell   up!

You tried to tell us "Tumpy" was Orange Man Bad for years, while hiding under a cloak of 'Conservatism'.

And here we are.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2025, 05:36:38 pm »
:bigsilly:

Just because a justice isn't a lapdog who will roll over and give Trump a B.J. there must be closet liberals.

Y'all don't seem to understand how an independent judiciary works.

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2025, 05:44:45 pm »
She is not a reliable lock-step vote for conservatives.    :shrug:   As long as she doesn't turn left like Justices Kennedy and Souter.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2025, 06:26:40 pm »
   I blame Sen Cruz.   22222frying pan

   She was on the Heritage/Federalist list that Trump agreed to get Ted's endorsement in 2016.

   * Later that month he agreed to the deal of Reince Priebus.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2025, 06:28:35 pm »
   I blame Sen Cruz.   22222frying pan

   She was on the Heritage/Federalist list that Trump agreed to get Ted's endorsement in 2016.

I'll take your word for it, I never saw that list.

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2025, 06:33:48 pm »
   I think the deal was @libertybele Trump was obligated to appoint Judges from the specified list. 
   His sister, Mary would be on the USSC, if otherwise.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2025, 06:47:22 pm »
I pushed exactly one candidate for SC with high expectations.... Yep, Amy.... I thought she would be different, one that got slid under the rug, past democrats.... I knew my Roy Moore (or clones of him) couldn't pass the censors, but I honestly thought Amy would be another Thomas.

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2025, 07:12:57 pm »
:bigsilly:

Just because a justice isn't a lapdog who will roll over and give Trump a B.J. there must be closet liberals.

Y'all don't seem to understand how an independent judiciary works.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2025, 08:12:53 pm »
Withholding payment for services already rendered is one of Trump’s worst habits, and we should want no part of it.  Barrett has made other questionable decisions, granted.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2025, 03:58:24 am »
There is only one consistent conservative justice, Thomas. 

Trump gets to appoint another justice, I think he needs to create his own list and screw whoever was feeding him names.

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2025, 08:41:23 am »
There is only one consistent conservative justice, Thomas. 

Trump gets to appoint another justice, I think he needs to create his own list and screw whoever was feeding him names.

Just as Dan Bongino gave up a $4M gig on radio and his podcast, Ted Cruz is going to have to give up his Senate seat and take a seat on the Bench.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2025, 09:56:34 am »
Just as Dan Bongino gave up a $4M gig on radio and his podcast, Ted Cruz is going to have to give up his Senate seat and take a seat on the Bench.

Absolutely agree.  And a path to a non-fillbuster, would be easy.  His colleagues don't like him, and would prob. pay to get rid of him. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2025, 11:34:26 am »
MAGA has a problem with Amy Coney Barrett. It’s more complicated than they think

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March 9, 2025 8:00 am


MAGA activists have seemingly turned against one of President Donald Trump’s three appointees to the Supreme Court: Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

Appointed by Trump in 2020, Barrett has played a key role in several landmark conservative victories, including overturning Roe v. Wade, striking down affirmative action, and expanding Second Amendment rights.

Yet, despite her highly conservative record and devotion to an originalist jurisprudence tethered tightly to the Constitution, MAGA loyalists have begun to attack her, accusing her of betraying the conservative movement.

Trump loyalists reached a boiling point with Barrett on March 5 after she sided with Chief Justice John Roberts and the three Democratic-appointed justices — Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Ketanji Brown Jackson — to deny a plea by Trump to cancel a lower court’s order to pay $2 billion in federal foreign aid spending for already-completed work.

MAGA’s backlash against Trump’s third high court appointment

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2025, 11:59:29 am »
MAGA has a problem with Amy Coney Barrett. It’s more complicated than they think



Yes, its complicated but simple.   We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to correct the mindless spending us into oblivion.  Any one who  gets in the way of that, should be considered an opponent.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2025, 03:28:40 pm »
Yes, its complicated but simple.   We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to correct the mindless spending us into oblivion.  Any one who  gets in the way of that, should be considered an opponent.

And yet, instead of following established procedure in the APA - which would make those changes rock-solid - Trump is thrashing around like a newbie, making a lot of noise and uproar, but not accomplishing anything of real lasting value because what he does can be easily undone simply because he didn't follow procedure.

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2025, 03:40:35 pm »
And yet, instead of following established procedure in the APA - which would make those changes rock-solid - Trump is thrashing around like a newbie, making a lot of noise and uproar, but not accomplishing anything of real lasting value because what he does can be easily undone simply because he didn't follow procedure.
And exactly what, pray tell, is the 'procedure' he didn't follow?

And if you happen to say to follow
Congress's lead, then what has 'lasting value' if another Congress can change the law?

What he has done indeed does have substance, and I have found that only the left has trouble with substance over process.
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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2025, 03:56:55 pm »
And yet, instead of following established procedure in the APA - which would make those changes rock-solid - Trump is thrashing around like a newbie, making a lot of noise and uproar, but not accomplishing anything of real lasting value because what he does can be easily undone simply because he didn't follow procedure.

Ahhh geezz.....

In industry, we went through reorganizations and efficiency improvements say every 5 years or so.  In that process we went by the 90% rule.  That rule of thumb  meant we were likely going to make a mistake 10% of the time.  But...  within a month or so, after execution, you make changes on the fly, and the whole process is better for it.

What you are suggesting going "by the procedure" might turn this into a 20 year process.  Believe me, I know how the government works, I dealt with EPA 35 years....... And it sucks.
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2025, 03:59:09 pm »
Just as Dan Bongino gave up a $4M gig on radio and his podcast, Ted Cruz is going to have to give up his Senate seat and take a seat on the Bench.

Who would he replace and a rock solid conservative would need to replace Ted.

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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2025, 04:03:30 pm »
Who would he replace and a rock solid conservative would need to replace Ted.

Thomas is getting up there, so I hope Clarence will not risk doing a RBG, and take a nice early retirement.

As far as replacing Ted?  Ronny Jackson or Ken Paxton comes to mind.  Ken's kind of shady, but he sure would shake things up.
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2025, 04:27:41 pm »
Just as Dan Bongino gave up a $4M gig on radio and his podcast, Ted Cruz is going to have to give up his Senate seat and take a seat on the Bench.
I prefer Ted just stay put.

He is masterful as a Senator, and honestly, I believe he would not be as happy sitting as a judge as he seems to enjoy the cameras instead of a cloistered judicial position.

He cannot be replaced easily in the US Senate.

His biggest value on the court, besides his obvious conservative creds, is that perhaps his masterful debating persona could possibly influence a court member known as a fence sitter(Barrett).
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2025, 04:29:07 pm »
Ahhh geezz.....

In industry, we went through reorganizations and efficiency improvements say every 5 years or so.  In that process we went by the 90% rule.  That rule of thumb  meant we were likely going to make a mistake 10% of the time.  But...  within a month or so, after execution, you make changes on the fly, and the whole process is better for it.

What you are suggesting going "by the procedure" might turn this into a 20 year process.  Believe me, I know how the government works, I dealt with EPA 35 years....... And it sucks.

:facepalm2:

Here's a clue, genius:  this ain't private industry, and the rules that apply to Twitter do not apply to the federal government.  That's the reality, and those who cannot accept, deal with, and work within, reality are, at best, stupid, and generally don't leave anything of lasting consequence.

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2025, 05:03:31 pm »
:facepalm2:

Here's a clue, genius:  this ain't private industry, and the rules that apply to Twitter do not apply to the federal government.  That's the reality, and those who cannot accept, deal with, and work within, reality are, at best, stupid, and generally don't leave anything of lasting consequence.

Thanks.....    :beer:  Your comments and snark  have perfectly encapsulated why the uber and unnecessarily over complex government Fedzilla needs to be gutted to the utter max.  Never thought you were this naive and obtuse to defend the government at this level, but I learn someting every day.

Again...  thanks.
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2025, 05:09:41 pm »
I prefer Ted just stay put.

He is masterful as a Senator, and honestly, I believe he would not be as happy sitting as a judge as he seems to enjoy the cameras instead of a cloistered judicial position.

He cannot be replaced easily in the US Senate.

His biggest value on the court, besides his obvious conservative creds, is that perhaps his masterful debating persona could possibly influence a court member known as a fence sitter(Barrett).

I agree.  Ted is needed in the Senate.  I believe it was mentioned to him awhile back about being on the bench and he said he would decline the offer.

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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2025, 06:38:26 pm »
:bigsilly:

Just because a justice isn't a lapdog who will roll over and give Trump a B.J. there must be closet liberals.

Y'all don't seem to understand how an independent judiciary works.

I think she may have ruled correctly on the case that has people so pissed.  A contractor performed the service requested.
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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2025, 06:39:04 pm »
Thanks.....    :beer:  Your comments and snark  have perfectly encapsulated why the uber and unnecessarily over complex government Fedzilla needs to be gutted to the utter max.  Never thought you were this naive and obtuse to defend the government at this level, but I learn someting every day.

Again...  thanks.
Agree totally.

Government should mimic the people and to instill processes within the govt that ensures transparency and not instead a bureaucracy encapsulating the problem with government. There is an urgent need to destroy this senseless entitlement which has no place in our country.
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A bit more on the APA which supposedly was not followed. Hint: It was not applicable

Everything You Know About the USAID Case May be Wrong
By Ted Noel
Welcome to your chance to nerd out on the difference between process and merits in legal actions. Our case of interest is AIDS Vaccine Advocacy v. Department of State. For non-lawyers, this is the case challenging President Trump’s order to freeze all payments from USAID until they can be fully reviewed for compliance with the law and the administration’s policies. If your claim has merit, it will be paid. If not, pound sand. And if you think you’re owed money that the government says they won’t pay, you can go to the Court of Federal Claims. The District Court does not have jurisdiction to hear you. Nor does it have the power to order anyone to pay you.

After Donald Trump was elected, on December 2, 2024, Joe Biden hustled (I think that means he shuffled less slowly…) to appoint Amir Ali, a reliable left-wing lawyer, to a seat in the reliably left-wing District Court for the District of Columbia, a reliably left-wing locale. Ali had barely gotten his chair adjusted when the USAID case landed on his desk. The plaintiffs asserted Administrative Procedure Act violations as a lever to pry a bill payment case into the wrong court. Supreme Court Justices Alito, Gorsuch, Thomas, and Kavanaugh emphatically pointed this out. The fact that Justice Barrett didn’t join them has led to unsubstantiated charges that she’s turning to the left.

To explain, you’re going to need a little more background. On January 20, President Trump ordered a 90-day pause on all foreign aid payments. This case started on February 10 in a case assigned to Judge Ali that was later consolidated with a different case filed on February 11 with Judge AliKhan. On February 13, Judge Ali issued a Temporary Restraining Order (“TRO”) against Trump’s funding pause.

Brace yourself. Here’s where things get nerdy.

TROs are very short-term orders that basically order the parties to “stand still.” The court doesn’t yet know who’s right, although it’s inclined to think that the petitioning party might be right or that the egg might be so badly scrambled by the time the case is finally resolved that a “stop everything” order is proper. It’s designed to keep any disputed activity from happening until everything is figured out.

Ali’s order, however, was different. It didn’t stop everything. Instead, it only stopped Trump’s funding pause, therefore requiring money to be paid (which money may never be recovered), and reversing a presidential order that already told USAID to “stand still.” When you figure out how a presidential order that already freezes things in place can be reversed by a Court order that freezes things in place, let me know. I’m sure the Mad Hatter will appreciate an explanation.

At the February 18 status conference, the government stated that the review process for each payee was continuing, and that the order presented a significant number of statutory ambiguities. Also, because the order presented substantial logistic problems, it was impossible to make any payments by the 18th. Despite this, upon the plaintiffs’ motion, Ali insisted that his earlier ruling was to be enforced. In his order, he stated that “Plaintiffs had satisfied their demanding burden for temporary injunctive relief.” Oops! This was a TRO, not a temporary injunction. TROs aren’t ordinarily appealable, but TIOs are. Which was this?

By the 24th, USAID had not paid anything. The next day, Ali issued an order mandating that USAID comply within 48 hours. The government immediately filed a motion with Ali for a stay pending an appeal on the merits. That was summarily denied.

The government then filed an appeal in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia (“DCCA”). However, because it was filed a mere four hours before Ali’s deadline, it dismissed the appeal.

The DCCA, however, made things clear for an appeal to the Supreme Court. TROs are supposed to preserve “the status quo ante” (that is, the situation up to the point of the order). But the status quo ante was the temporary freeze that Trump had imposed, not Ali’s mandated payments.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/03/everything_you_know_about_the_usaid_case_may_be_wrong.html
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell