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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2025, 01:53:18 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 17, 2025, 01:26:55 pm
Tell me what am I missing here?
Perhaps what has been mentioned on other recent threads and posts about Ukraine, that Zelenskyy complains about Trump talking to Putin, and wants more money from other nations. No denying, the first post of the thread is his criticism of Carlson, specifically, but - and I don't presume to speak for her - I don't think that's what she was referring to. VZ can say whatever he wants about Tucker, whether or not true.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2025, 02:00:28 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 17, 2025, 01:53:18 pm
Perhaps what has been mentioned on other recent threads and posts about Ukraine, that Zelenskyy complains about Trump talking to Putin, and wants more money from other nations. No denying, the first post of the thread is his criticism of Carlson, specifically, but - and I don't presume to speak for her - I don't think that's what she was referring to. VZ can say whatever he wants about Tucker, whether or not true.

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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2025, 02:09:39 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 17, 2025, 01:53:18 pm
Perhaps what has been mentioned on other recent threads and posts about Ukraine, that Zelenskyy complains about Trump talking to Putin, and wants more money from other nations. No denying, the first post of the thread is his criticism of Carlson, specifically, but - and I don't presume to speak for her - I don't think that's what she was referring to. VZ can say whatever he wants about Tucker, whether or not true.

Well that's a different perspective.  But if Zelenskiy's silence was a condition for US aid, then it's the US that is in default on that agreement.  Fully $100 billion earmarked as 'Ukraine aid' that never made it inside the Ukrainian border.  Agreements are a two way street.  If the US reneged on their end, I don't see why Ukraine should abide by theirs.

Apologies for any confusion.  Again, the topic was Zelenskiy badmouthing Carlson.  And in that he is totally justified.  But he's was never our puppet, nor should he be.  And the Ukrainian President shouldn't be Russia's puppet either.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2025, 02:12:11 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 17, 2025, 11:25:44 am
Eh... we had elections all during WW2.
Yeah, thousands of miles from the front. Not the same.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2025, 02:20:50 pm »
Speaking of elections, there is a chilling parallel between Putin's treatment of Ukraine in 2014 and Hitler's treatment of Yugoslavia in 1941.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2025, 02:28:33 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 17, 2025, 12:19:08 pm
So US military aid should be conditional on Zelenskiy only saying nice things about Tucker Carlson.

Come on.  That's not implied nor what I stated.  Z should be appreciative of the help that he's gotten from the U.S. period.  If it weren't for the U.S. pouring billions of dollar in aid and in munitions, Ukraine would be pretty bad off.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2025, 02:34:14 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 17, 2025, 01:26:55 pm
The topic of this thread is 'Zelenskiy said something bad about Tucker Carlson.

@libertybele  offered this conditional if-then statement:  "If he wants that to continue, he needs to zip it".  Or in other words, 'If Zelenskiy wants US Aid, then he needs to restrain himself from saying anything'.  This conditional statement was a direct response to Zelenskiy's criticism of Carlson.

So this absolutely positively was implied, @mountaineer .  Tell me what am I missing here?

No.  What I am implying is that Z shouldn't complain about the help that the U.S. has given him, nor the aid that he continues to get.  That is all.  Zip it perhaps was the wrong wording.  Z should be able to speak freely, but complaining about aid I find offensive.

We cannot control Putin. We certainly couldn't control what Biden has done with any agreements, nor money not making it to Ukraine.

We've had a regime change and hopefully we'll see some sort of resolution between Putin and Ukraine.

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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2025, 02:41:55 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 17, 2025, 02:20:50 pm
Speaking of elections, there is a chilling parallel between Putin's treatment of Ukraine in 2014 and Hitler's treatment of Yugoslavia in 1941.

Conflict in the area has been going on for decades.  There's no telling what Putin's next move is, though I would like to think that Trump may be able to somehow contain Putin.  :shrug:
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2025, 02:45:55 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 17, 2025, 01:53:18 pm
VZ can say whatever he wants about Tucker, whether or not true.

He can, because he’s in charge.  I am sure he would like to throw Tucker in prison. 
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2025, 02:46:34 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 17, 2025, 02:34:14 pm
No.  What I am implying is that Z shouldn't complain about the help that the U.S. has given him, nor the aid that he continues to get.  That is all.

Zelenskiy has never complained about the aid he is getting.  He has complained about the aid he is not getting.  Imagine sitting in Kyiv, or Kharkiv, or Odesa, Dniepro, Lviv, Chasiv Yar, Vovchansk, Bakhmut, etc., listening to the American President announce aid packages going to Ukraine that weren't actually going to Ukraine.  I'd be pissed, too.  And I damn well wouldn't keep my mouth shut about it.  Biden was out there collecting political points from his supporters for his solid support of Ukraine while diverting those funds elsewhere.  Want to guess how $1.5 billion showed up in Kamala Harris's campaign chest in 48 hours?  Ukraine aid.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2025, 03:15:34 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 17, 2025, 02:12:11 pm
Yeah, thousands of miles from the front. Not the same.
and the War of 1812, when the Brits literally burned down the White House.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2025, 03:27:45 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on February 17, 2025, 03:15:34 pm
and the War of 1812, when the Brits literally burned down the White House.

Not even close.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2025, 03:32:13 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on February 17, 2025, 03:15:34 pm
and the War of 1812, when the Brits literally burned down the White House.

That was in 1814.  The war was over six months later.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2025, 03:52:06 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on February 17, 2025, 03:15:34 pm
and the War of 1812, when the Brits literally burned down the White House.

Old joke: Britain lost the War of 1812 when no matter what they did they couldn't force the USA to take Quebec.  :whistle:
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2025, 04:03:52 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 17, 2025, 02:46:34 pm
Zelenskiy has never complained about the aid he is getting.  He has complained about the aid he is not getting.  Imagine sitting in Kyiv, or Kharkiv, or Odesa, Dniepro, Lviv, Chasiv Yar, Vovchansk, Bakhmut, etc., listening to the American President announce aid packages going to Ukraine that weren't actually going to Ukraine.  I'd be pissed, too.  And I damn well wouldn't keep my mouth shut about it.  Biden was out there collecting political points from his supporters for his solid support of Ukraine while diverting those funds elsewhere.  Want to guess how $1.5 billion showed up in Kamala Harris's campaign chest in 48 hours?  Ukraine aid.

So.... most of us long ago figured out that the Biden family has been profiting off of Ukraine before and after he became president.  Z can spew a foul mouthed rant all he wants, that's not going to change the past.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2025, 04:21:27 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 17, 2025, 04:03:52 pm
Z can spew a foul mouthed rant all he wants, that's not going to change the past.

Now you're circling back to Tucker Carlson, the target of said "foul mouthed rant".
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2025, 05:32:37 pm »
Z can say whatever he pleases about Tucker as far as I'm concerned. Tucker is a media personality, nothing more. Foul mouthed? Perhaps. But that  seems to be the modus operandi in today's world. Not that I like it.

As far as I can see, if he is concerned about the US brokering a "deal" with Russia and withdrawing support why would he not try to form a new protective coalition? And why would he not make the point that the aid that has been received from the US is not what is being reported?

The fact remains that Ukraine was invaded and has suffered devasting loss. But is still standing against a much stronger adversary. Incredible in my mind. Biden offered him a plane ticket out and he refused. These people are fighters and I will be devastated if Trump throws them under the bus.

Elections? Puulleeeze! Our country has (thankfully) never had bombs raining down on it. How do  you have elections under those conditions? I read about the voter turnout in our country and it is abysmal. On a bright, sun shiny safe day. So the execution of elections in Ukraine would be close to impossible. I could be totally wrong, but Z may not be too sorry to get out of the hot seat, given there was a proper election.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2025, 05:35:33 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 17, 2025, 01:36:22 pm
95% of it never left the USA and most of that never left New York City's financial district. This has been stated over and over again in this topic.

Myself, I have long criticized the Biden regime for sending weapons and ammunition to Ukraine that were already slated for disposal and then charging the American taxpayer for them as if they were new.

Worse, the money for the replacement weapons and ammo had already been appropriated so what the hell was all of this money for? Because it sure as hell wasn't for Ukraine or our armed forces.
Right. Everyone is equating Zelenesky with Poroshenko.Maybe Zelenesky has skimmed a little, maybe not, but that would be chump change compared to what Sniffy Joe's minions got. He got aging munitions at top dollar, which we got the tab for. Where the "humanitarian" aid went is a question for Elon's crew, but my bet is that was siphoned off through a net of NGOs.
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2025, 12:30:37 am »
Tucker used to be one of the most powerful conservative voices out there. 

Not sure what has gotten into him, since he left Fox. 
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Re: Zelenskyy unleashes angry foul-mouthed rant against ‘blogger’ Tucker Carlson
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2025, 01:15:42 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 18, 2025, 12:30:37 am
Tucker used to be one of the most powerful conservative voices out there. 

Not sure what has gotten into him, since he left Fox.

IMO, he's looking at Joe Rogan's success.  There's enough a niche out there to support more than Rogan. 

Why limit your market demographic to MAGA Land?  :shrug:
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