Trump to end Dept of Ed

[Benjamin]

 

This jimmy carter boondoggle must end. They took us from #1,to 24th and 38 in the world .
So many kids can’t read or do math at grade level.

Go MAGA!!!!!

[verga]

This jimmy carter boondoggle must end. They took us from #1,to 24th and 38 in the world .
So many kids can’t read or do math at grade level.

Go MAGA!!!!!

From your lips, to Trumps ear.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Wow... wait wasn't the Department created by EO?

[Hoodat]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Hoodat]

Wow... wait wasn't the Department created by EO?

Yet it gets funded with Republican votes year after year after year.  Republicans voting to fund their enemies with our money.

[corbe]

   Since were Dreaming. 
   All Agencies that start with an 'E'; Energy and Environmental also.

[Smokin Joe]

   Since were Dreaming. 
   All Agencies that start with an 'E'; Energy and Environmental also.

Yep. When the EPA started, we had rivers that caught fire and domes of smog over every major urban and industrialized area. When that pollution was cleaned up, the agency started looking for more things to regulate and moving goalposts on the ones it already did, in order to maintain its relevance and keep getting funded.
Like any other Federal entity, the words "mission accomplished" never appeared, and the morphing of regulations guarantees employment.
Enough already.
Roll back some of the newest 'standards' to reasonable levels, quit calling CO2 a pollutant (it's just a sign of complete combustion), and form a smaller division to enforce existing regulations which make sense--and abolish the ones which do not.

[Hoodat]

Like any other Federal entity, the words "mission accomplished" never appeared, and the morphing of regulations guarantees employment.
Enough already.
Roll back some of the newest 'standards' to reasonable levels, quit calling CO2 a pollutant (it's just a sign of complete combustion), and form a smaller division to enforce existing regulations which make sense--and abolish the ones which do not.

There is nothing in this world more permanent than a temporary government program.

- M. Friedman -

[Timber Rattler]

Yep. When the EPA started, we had rivers that caught fire and domes of smog over every major urban and industrialized area. When that pollution was cleaned up, the agency started looking for more things to regulate and moving goalposts on the ones it already did, in order to maintain its relevance and keep getting funded.
Like any other Federal entity, the words "mission accomplished" never appeared, and the morphing of regulations guarantees employment.
Enough already.
Roll back some of the newest 'standards' to reasonable levels, quit calling CO2 a pollutant (it's just a sign of complete combustion), and form a smaller division to enforce existing regulations which make sense--and abolish the ones which do not.

100% correct!!!

[Bigun]

Yep. When the EPA started, we had rivers that caught fire and domes of smog over every major urban and industrialized area. When that pollution was cleaned up, the agency started looking for more things to regulate and moving goalposts on the ones it already did, in order to maintain its relevance and keep getting funded.
Like any other Federal entity, the words "mission accomplished" never appeared, and the morphing of regulations guarantees employment.
Enough already.
Roll back some of the newest 'standards' to reasonable levels, quit calling CO2 a pollutant (it's just a sign of complete combustion), and form a smaller division to enforce existing regulations which make sense--and abolish the ones which do not.

A huge part of the problem is that government service paychecks are very much dependent on the number of people one supervises. That alone makes expansion inevitable.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Wow... wait wasn't the Department created by EO?

Actually, no.

It was established in 1979 under Carter with a Democrat Congress in both houses which passed legislation to create the dept.

[bilo]

I'll believe it when I see it.

My thoughts exactly.

It's one thing to say you want to end a department it's another to get it done.

[Fishrrman]

Hoodat sez:
"My thoughts exactly."

And bilo replies:
"It's one thing to say you want to end a department it's another to get it done..."

OK, gentlemen.
I'm gonna explain how you do it.
Have your notepads ready?

If it was me walking into the DOE as "Secretary"...

First order of business:
I want a list of all personnel in this department who "serve at the pleasure of the president". That is, who can be terminated without recourse.

Next:
Memo to all those who CAN be fired:
You are dismissed. Turn in any electronic devices, clean out your desks, and depart.

Next:
Memo to just about all other employees (government service jobs):
"You are furloughed. Turn in any electronic devices and go home.
HOWEVER -- for the time being, you will receive full pay and benefits. You are to remain at home, unassigned, until recall."
"Be aware that no promotions will be entertained in this department in the future. Employees are encouraged to transfer to other branches of government."

And that's how it will go, at least to start.
The DOE may not be "ended" right at the moment, but those who [previously] "worked" there will have been effectively removed from doing [what used to be] their "jobs" for the time being.

At that point new appointed personnel can be brought in to start trimming things down, a bit at a time. To "wither away" the Department by attrition.

Remember this:
Which is more damaging to the country?
The fact that there is a DOE, with employees?
Or is it the WORK those employees do?
If you simply stop them from "working", the Department (although it still is "there") is de-fanged and ceases to have any impact.

Any questions?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Actually, no.

It was established in 1979 under Carter with a Democrat Congress in both houses which passed legislation to create the dept.

TY.

One of the two (DoE's) was created by EO right? I thought one was.

[Kamaji]

TY.

One of the two (DoE's) was created by EO right? I thought one was.

Doesn't look like it:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education

[Hoodat]

OK, gentlemen.
I'm gonna explain how you do it.
Have your notepads ready?

If it was me walking into the DOE as "Secretary"...

First order of business:
I want a list of all personnel in this department who "serve at the pleasure of the president". That is, who can be terminated without recourse.

Next:
Memo to all those who CAN be fired:
You are dismissed. Turn in any electronic devices, clean out your desks, and depart.

Next:
Memo to just about all other employees (government service jobs):
"You are furloughed. Turn in any electronic devices and go home.
HOWEVER -- for the time being, you will receive full pay and benefits. You are to remain at home, unassigned, until recall."
"Be aware that no promotions will be entertained in this department in the future. Employees are encouraged to transfer to other branches of government."

And that's how it will go, at least to start.
The DOE may not be "ended" right at the moment, but those who [previously] "worked" there will have been effectively removed from doing [what used to be] their "jobs" for the time being.

At that point new appointed personnel can be brought in to start trimming things down, a bit at a time. To "wither away" the Department by attrition.

Remember this:
Which is more damaging to the country?
The fact that there is a DOE, with employees?
Or is it the WORK those employees do?
If you simply stop them from "working", the Department (although it still is "there") is de-fanged and ceases to have any impact.

Any questions?

Yeah.  I'll believe it when I see it.  If it was me, I wouldn't furlough anyone.  Everyone in the Executive Branch serves at the pleasure of the Chief Executive.  All can be fired.

[Hoodat]

TY.

One of the two (DoE's) was created by EO right? I thought one was.

Education was once part of HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare).  Carter pulled it out and gave it its own department.  Because Education was that important to him.  It marked the beginning of the great decline in American educational excellence.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Education was once part of HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare).  Carter pulled it out and gave it its own department.  Because Education was that important to him.  It marked the beginning of the great decline in American educational excellence.

Jimmy always thought he was the smartest guy in the room.  Never listened to anybody as he thought he knew more than anyone else about virtually everything, which is what the academia continue to tell us now that they have power as they are littered throughout the current administration.

Talked to an older guy who is a nuclear engineer who worked for the federal govt until he retired.  I asked him what he thought of our current situation on nuclear power and he told me the one who has killed its usage in this country is the nuclear engineer Carter who became President.  He said Carter thought he knew everything on nuclear power and decided to incorporate his own pathological screwball ideas to destroy its usage.

Carter is now 100 yers old and we continue to be suffering after all these years due to his arrogance and incompetence.

BTW, how many academia are on the list of nominees Trump has planned?  Anybody count them?

[Hoodat]

The Department of Energy was justified by the gas lines that Jimmy Carter created with his asinine price ceiling on domestic oil production.  Instead of the government (that cause the problem to begin with) getting the hell out of the way, Jimmy Carter devoted an entire new bureaucracy dedicated to stifling domestic energy production.   From blocking new nuclear plants, to regulating coal plants to the point of closure, to micromanaging the domestic oil business, Carter's Department of Energy was there.

The Department of Energy needs to be carved back by at least three-quarters with the remainder rolled into the Department of the Interior where it belongs.

Two more departments that need to be on the chopping block are HUD and Agriculture.

[Hoodat]

Talked to an older guy who is a nuclear engineer who worked for the federal govt until he retired.  I asked him what he thought of our current situation on nuclear power and he told me the one who has killed its usage in this country is the nuclear engineer Carter who became President.  He said Carter thought he knew everything on nuclear power and decided to incorporate his own pathological screwball ideas to destroy its usage.

The best part is that Carter was never an engineer, much less a nuclear one.  He was a physics major.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The best part is that Carter was never an engineer, much less a nuclear one.  He was a physics major.

Never knew that.  I learned he studied engineering for awhile and now I see he switched majors at the Naval Academy to get his degree in nuclear physics.

[corbe]

   Looks like the dept he created will outlive him Afterall.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

   Looks like the dept he created will outlive him Afterall.

Looks like our current President, doesn't he?

[corbe]

   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Looks like our current President, doesn't he?