EV Sales Break Records Again 3rd Quarter 2024 10% market share within reach

[banddag]

https://insideevs.com/news/737158/us-ev-sales-q3-2024/

Electric vehicle sales hit a new record in the U.S. in Q3, driven by attractive lease deals, financing offers and a growing appetite for affordable models among American car buyers. Despite all the political noise around EVs and negative headlines in financial papers, automakers are having a moment selling their battery-powered cars.

According to car trading and market insights firm Cox Automotive, automakers sold an estimated 346,309 EVs in the third quarter, a 5% increase from the second quarter. EVs accounted for 8.9% of the total auto sales—the highest ever on record—marking an increase from 7.8% during the same period last year.

"With improving infrastructure, far more choices, and excellent deals to be had, the team expects further growth in the months ahead," Cox Automotive analysts wrote. "A 10% share is well within reach.



Hey cat, I thought you said ev sales were dying.
@catfish1957

[banddag]

BTW so much Lithium was found in Arkansas it will supply all the US needs without having to import it.

But wait, I though you folks said lithium was running out?

[Lando Lincoln]

Don’t worry. The Arkansas lithium will be unavailable through over regulation. I wonder which party will be the main driver of such regulation.

[DefiantMassRINO]

They're prospecting for lithium in Maine.

If people want to buy/lease EV's, go for it.  Just don't take away my choice to buy an internal combustion engine vehicle.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

But wait, I though you folks said lithium was running out?

Can you provide the source of that claim?

Everything I have seen says the problem with lithium is it is mostly foreign sourced and is a very dirty job in extraction.

[berdie]

They're prospecting for lithium in Maine.

If people want to buy/lease EV's, go for it.  Just don't take away my choice to buy an internal combustion engine vehicle.

That, to me, is the issue. If a person wants an EV...good. I don't.

[The_Reader_David]

So, how much of this is driven by blue state governments and companies whose managers get huge bonuses for meeting 'carbon neutrality' targets buying EV's for their fleets?

[Hoodat]

Electric vehicle sales hit a new record in the U.S. in Q3, driven by attractive lease deals

Leases aren't sales.

[mountaineer]

But wait, I though you folks said lithium was running out?

Who said that? Please provide a cite.

[Wingnut]

They're prospecting for lithium in Maine.

If people want to buy/lease EV's, go for it.  Just don't take away my choice to buy an internal combustion engine vehicle.

Who is gonna mine it? Lesbian in Old subaru's?

[Bigun]

That, to me, is the issue. If a person wants an EV...good. I don't.

I completely agree @berdie and I don't want the government injecting one thin dime to prop up the EV manufacturers either.

[PeteS in CA]

Don’t worry. The Arkansas lithium will be unavailable through over regulation. I wonder which party will be the main driver of such regulation.

IIRC, there are significant lithium deposits in Nevada (and eastern California?). But as you pointed out, the Enviros and envirocrats have waged lawfare against mining companies, forcing them to cease mining.

[PeteS in CA]

...
But wait, I though you folks said lithium was running out?

Who said that? Please provide a cite.

I also have never seen that claim made in any of the three conservative discussion sites I frequent and infest. Straw men are easily beaten down.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I completely agree @berdie and I don't want the government injecting one thin dime to prop up the EV manufacturers either.

Not only that, but it would seem the federal propensity of chasing emissions issues of gas vehicle users, lead paint, fluoride, CO2, you name it, should be directed toward safety issues regarding lithium batteries' tendency to burn and explode.

People are being seriously injured or killed due to these incidents, and I for one have not heard a peep from the US Consumer Product Safety Commission demanding manufacturers to improve product safety for lithium batteries.

[banddag]

I also have never seen that claim made in any of the three conservative discussion sites I frequent and infest. Straw men are easily beaten down.

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Uh, we don’t even have enough resources to replace the electric batteries on EVs we’re running now…
Stockhead ^ | 08/16/2022 | Reuben Adams
Posted on 4/19/2023, 1:45:26 PM by SeekAndFind

We don’t have enough lithium, cobalt and nickel to build even one generation of batteries for all EVs and stationary power storage
To phase out ICE and fossil fuels we need a better plan; that includes recycling and alternate battery tech (vanadium, zinc)
ASX stocks looking to build battery recycling businesses include Neometals, Hannans, Lithium Australia
There are not enough minerals, like lithium, cobalt and nickel, in the currently reported global reserves to build even one generation of batteries for all EVs and stationary power storage, according to a recent report.

Associate Research Professor Simon Michaux from Geological Survey of Finland GTK says those batteries have an estimated life cycle of ~10 years.

“This means even if technology improves by doubling efficiency, then the same quantity of metal has to be sourced from somewhere only 10 to 20 years later,” he says.


To: M. Dodge Thomas
But there is still a lithium shortage.
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The cost of lithium — a metal used to make electric car batteries — is up nearly 500% since last year: 'Supply is simply nowhere near enough to feed this demand surge'
theblaze.com ^ | 3/22/2022 | Phil Shiver

Posted on 3/25/2022, 11:22:56 AM by rktman
The race to a low-carbon future via electric vehicles already comes with a hefty price tag. But that price tag may enlarge even more in the coming months if the skyrocketing cost of lithium serves as any indication.

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The World Is Facing A Lithium Supply Crunch As Demand Soars
Oilprice ^ | May 13, 2021 | Tsvetana Paraskova

Posted on 5/13/2021, 10:01:07 PM by nickcarraway
In just one year, the world’s largest lithium producers turned from cautiously optimistic about prices and very careful about expansion projects to decisively bullish on near, medium, and long-term demand for the key battery metal.




@mountaineer
@PeteS in CA

[banddag]

Leases aren't sales.

Sure it is.  Dealers are ordering in  new ev's and leasing them out. Customers had a choice between gas and ev and ev sales keep breaking records every quarter.
All the problems with Ev's are being fixed.

Charging stations going up everwhere, longer range, quicker charging times, more selection, ev's dropping in price.

BTW leasing is at record levels with gas cars also. When a dealer orders a new gas car from the manufacturer it is considered a sale.
@Hoodat

[catfish1957]

I have a few observations on this matter....

1. 50% of the population has an IQ of under 100, and are gullible and can succumb to the whims of governmental and automaker coaxing and incentives.  Heck, if I was an idiot, I might buy into this governmental subsidized party too.
2. I want to see the same data in 5-7 years after all the EV owner's batteries have been replaced at the cost of what would be 2 engines on a IC vehicle.  Biggest winners 20 years from now?  Auto Junk Yards.
3. Let's also wait for some data and first hand experiences of EV owners who have difficulty in emergencies.  Hurricanes, Blizzards, or mass power outages. 
4. If people want to be stupid and take a chance and the risk on these?  Go for it.  Just don't subsidize this shit with my tax dollars.  And don't remove my ability to prevent me from a choice either.
5. Banddoogle  is a left wing idiot, and is doing his best to promote every stupid left wing agenda item known to man.  I find his antics pretty funny, but his abilities as a troll?  I'd give him at best a D+
6. His wild but stupid assertion that EV's catching on, are all because of Item 1.  Well that, and that so many people have been scammed by the enviro-whacko faction into that political agenda.  Here's another INDY POV, that Briefers might be interested in,

https://www.ey.com/en_us/newsroom/2024/09/us-consumers-less-likely-to-purchase-an-ev-than-last-year

[PeteS in CA]

1. I have not been on FR since 1999 or 2000, so my very specific statement is true. At this time I regard FR as the conservative-ish version of Democratic Underground ... is it necessary to explain how that is not an expression of respect.

2. There is a difference between minerals being available in storage or being actively mined and minerals in the ground and being kept there by enviro-regs and enviro-lawsuits. Do I need to explain that difference?

[mountaineer]

Do I need to explain that difference?

You can try, but it won't sink in.

Seriously, Free Republic? 

[catfish1957]

You can try, but it won't sink in.

Seriously, Free Republic? 

Joined in 2000, banned in 2016.  I  visit there every few months in curiosity or for a research reason.

FR is now 80% infested with Qanon nutjobs and Trump kneepadders. 

[banddag]

IIRC, there are significant lithium deposits in Nevada (and eastern California?). But as you pointed out, the Enviros and envirocrats have waged lawfare against mining companies, forcing them to cease mining.

You need to stop getting all your info from wacko rw websites. They will make you  ignorant and stupid.

Billions in US funding boosts lithium mining, stressing water supplies | Energy News Network
Billions in US funding boosts lithium mining, stressing water supplies
The energy transition is driving demand for batteries; funding from the Inflation Reduction Act and other federal programs is helping to fill it.
Department of Defense Awards $11.8 Million to Accelerate Development of Domestic Lithium Carbonate Processing and Production > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
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Department of Defense Awards $11.8 Million to Accelerate Development of Domestic Lithium Carbonate Processing and Production
Aug. 5, 2024 |   
The Department of Defense announced today an $11.8 million award via the Defense Production Act Investment (DPAI) office to Lithium Nevada Corporation (Lithium Nevada), a subsidiary of Lithium Americas Corp. The award aims to accelerate the extraction and processing of lithium carbonate and directly supports the 2024 National Defense Industrial Strategy's objective to expand support for domestic production of critical minerals.
"It is critical that we shore up reliable and sustainable domestic supplies of strategic materials, like lithium carbonate, that are necessary for the production of large-capacity batteries," said Dr. Laura Taylor-Kale, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Industrial Base Policy. "This award helps do just that, facilitating the acceleration and expansion of Lithium Nevada's existing capabilities to meet growing demand."




Kings Mountain lithium mine to reopen with $90 million for DoD

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WNCN) [/size]— A North Carolina chemical company received a boost from the U.S. Department of Defense Tuesday as the Pentagon implements plans for secure supply chains and domestic sources for critical minerals.


FILE - A rendering of a planned processing facility is displayed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management during a news conference in Reno, Nevada, Oct. 24, 2024. The same day, the U.S. Interior Department gave final approval to ioneer's Rhyolite Ridge lithium mine in Nevada.18 hours ago


Biden administration approves Nevada lithium mine - VOA News
 
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@PeteS in CA
@mountaineer

[mountaineer]

Please stop tagging me to your posts. I'm not interested.

[banddag]

Please stop tagging me to your posts. I'm not interested.

Because I am destroying your argument with facts and you know it.

@mountaineer

[mountaineer]

Because I am destroying your argument with facts and you know it.

Yeah, that's what it is.
 

[Hoodat]

Leases aren't sales.

Sure it is.

Again, no.  It is not.  A sale involves transfer of ownership from Party A (seller) to Party B (buyer).  With a lease, Party A retains ownership of the product.  There is no sale.  This is basic economics, which for some reason is completely foreign to you, @banddag

Dealers are ordering in  new ev's and leasing them out.

Dealers (who sell cars) are finding that they are unable to sell the new EVs they ordered, and are now coming up with creative ways to try to recoup their losses.  Leasing cars is one of these ways.  From the consumer end, a lease is considered "attractive" if it favors the lessee over the lessor.  The fact that you describe these leases as "attractive" shows that the dealers are getting stuck with a huge inventory of cars they can't sell and are offering leases at a loss in order to relieve themselves of the excess inventory.  In other words, it proves the exact opposite of the claim you are trying to make.  Sales remain stagnant.  Dealers expecting higher sales are screwed.  And they are now taking a loss through cheap leases in order to recover some of their loss.

All the problems with Ev's are being fixed.

Really?  So EV's now have the same range as gasoline vehicles during winter in Minnesota?  I think not.  I think you are lying about problems being fixed.

btw, if you ever decided to get on board with replacing those batteries with hydrogen tanks, you would find that hydrogen produces much more consistent driving ranges over various temperature zones.  Hydrogen fuel cells are not affected by cold weather like battery-powered EVs.  And they also produce just enough heat to warm the passenger compartment without draining even more electric power for heating.  But then you have chosen to continue wallowing in your ignorance on this subject even though there are engineers here who have been willing to show you a better way.  So keep lobbying for the Chinese battery industry.  Just don't expect anyone here to fall for that nonsense when there are clearly better options, not only for the consumer but for the environment as well.  The best champion the environment could possibly have is capitalism.  Yet you reject it again and again.

[catfish1957]

Please stop tagging me to your posts. I'm not interested.

What kind of stupid SOB plays Font Routlette trying to push his lies across. His last post is like a 9 year old discovered the Font function on his forum, and has gone ape shit with it,    No one is buying his garbage.

This left wing troll really needs to return to his base for convincing his own idelology, because Kamel-uh's support is crumbling by the day. Stein, especially in Michigan is making a lot of daily headway into the rank and file left loony electorate. 

No regular  here at TBR would remotely consider  voting for this bitch.  He'd have a more productive use of his time picking his nose.

[catfish1957]

Sure it is.


Again, no.  It is not.  A sale involves transfer of ownership from Party A (seller) to Party B (buyer).  With a lease, Party A retains ownership of the product.  There is no sale.  This is basic economics, which for some reason is completely foreign to you, @banddag

Hmmm..  The point where buyer's remorse occurs (and there will be a lot of that), much favors a leasee. than an owner.  If Beandoggle is too dumb to realize that, then I think his so called financial accumen he touts  should seriously be questioned.

[Hoodat]

The cost of lithium — a metal used to make electric car batteries — is up nearly 500% since last year: 'Supply is simply nowhere near enough to feed this demand surge'
theblaze.com ^ | 3/22/2022 | Phil Shiver

Again, you display an uncanny ignorance on matters of economics.  Supply is meeting demand.  There is no shortage.  When prices increase 500%, it means that the price adjusted to a new equilibrium point where supply meets demand.  Again, basic economics.

But then the only reason you bring this up is because you refuse to consider hydrogen tanks built from cheap composites that do not require any metals in their manufacture.  But then we all knew that already.  Your unwavering allegiance to a failed method (which has negatives that far outweigh the positives) is a case study for everyone here on liberal idiocy.  I actually use your posts to educate my son on how much it costs society when people make decisions based on emotion while rejecting any  semblance of reason, critical thought, economic fact, or basic human nature in general.

For you, it is a rather simple exercise.  Simply list the pros and cons of three vehicle types - gasoline powered ICE, battery powered EV, and hydrogen powered EV.  Remove all subsidies out of the equation.  Make your lists, and then tell us which option works best for you and why.  And then afterwards, have the consideration to realize that our lists may not be the same as yours, @banddag

[Timber Rattler]

All the problems with Ev's are being fixed.

Rigggght....

4 killed in fiery electric vehicle crash in downtown Toronto

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/fatal-crash-four-dead-lake-shore-cherry-1.7361751

Four people were killed in a fiery single-vehicle crash in downtown Toronto early Thursday, while the lone survivor was pulled from the burning car by a passing driver, police say.

The deadly collision happened around 12:10 a.m. on Lake Shore Boulevard E. near Cherry Street.

A Tesla with three men and two women inside was speeding eastbound on Lake Shore when the driver lost control and hit a guardrail, said Toronto police Duty Insp. Phillip Sinclair. The car then careened into a concrete pillar.

"Upon impact, the vehicle then caught fire," Sinclair told reporters.

When firefighters arrived on scene, the car was fully engulfed in flames, said Deputy Fire Chief Jim Jessop, who spoke alongside Sinclair.

Once the blaze was extinguished, firefighters found four people inside the vehicle. All four were pronounced dead at the scene, Sinclair said. They were in their 20s and 30s, he said, but could not provide any more specific information about the deceased.

EXCERPT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yvDb0PYtp0

[catfish1957]

Can't seem to find an article I saw recently of what the costs of heavier EV's are going to do to our highway infrastructure.

Anyone have a copy?

[catfish1957]

[Timber Rattler]

Can't seem to find an article I saw recently of what the costs of heavier EV's are going to do to our highway infrastructure.

Anyone have a copy?

Ask, and ye shall receive!

Experts warn electric vehicle weight threatens road safety and infrastructure

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/#:~:text=Heavy%20electric%20vehicles%20damage%20roads,powered%20cars%2C%20pedestrians%20and%20bicyclists.

Electric vehicles raise concerns about whether safety infrastructure can handle their weight in a crash

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicles-safety-infrastructure-barriers/

[catfish1957]

Ask, and ye shall receive!

Experts warn electric vehicle weight threatens road safety and infrastructure

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/#:~:text=Heavy%20electric%20vehicles%20damage%20roads,powered%20cars%2C%20pedestrians%20and%20bicyclists.

Electric vehicles raise concerns about whether safety infrastructure can handle their weight in a crash

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicles-safety-infrastructure-barriers/

Thanks...   

Can't wait for Beandoggle to call CBS News a "W(h)acko RW web site"

[banddag]

Really?  So EV's now have the same range as gasoline vehicles during winter in Minnesota?  I think not.  I think you are lying about problems being fixed.

.  So keep lobbying for the Chinese battery industry.

1. Where did I say that about Minnesota?  The Ev issues are being adressed. as time goes on. ICE cars had huge issues people had when they first came out-gasoline rare in rural areas, no one to repair them in many locals, impassible roads only horses could travel.

For instance, Siemens came out with a new home charger that by passes the homes  service box so service box  does not have to be replaced at great cost

2. Nearly all EV batteries for US cars are made in the US not China

Most electric vehicle (EV) batteries in the US are made in a region known as the Battery Belt, which spans from Michigan to the Carolinas. The states with the most announced battery production capacity include:
•   Michigan: 140 gigawatt hours per year
•   Georgia: 136 gigawatt hours per year
•   Tennessee: 128 gigawatt hours per year
•   Kentucky: 119 gigawatt hours per year
•   Indiana: 97 gigawatt hours per year
The Battery Belt is the result of significant funding for battery manufacturing in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) of 2022. Some companies that have announced investments in the Battery Belt include:
•   Freyr: A Norwegian company that plans to build a second factory south of Atlanta
•   SK: A South Korean battery corporation that is planning to build a $5 billion factory in northern Georgia in partnership with Hyundai
•   BMW: Announced a $1.7 billion investment in the US, including $700 million for a battery assembly facility in Woodruff, South Carolina




Ev sales stagnat?   Every quarter ev sales break records beating out the previous quarter.

https://insideevs.com/news/737158/us-ev-sales-q3-2024/

[banddag]

Rigggght....

4 killed in fiery electric vehicle crash in downtown Toronto

As if there was never an ICE vehicle crash that did not end up in fire killing people.

@Timber Rattler

[banddag]

Ask, and ye shall receive!

Experts warn electric vehicle weight threatens road safety and infrastructure

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/#:~:text=Heavy%20electric%20vehicles%20damage%20roads,powered%20cars%2C%20pedestrians%20and%20bicyclists.

Electric vehicles raise concerns about whether safety infrastructure can handle their weight in a crash

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicles-safety-infrastructure-barriers/

Manufacturers are working on making EV's lighter.  The first computers took up nearly an entire building. Now they come as small as a wristwatch.

Yes, future electric vehicles (EVs) will weigh less due to advancements in battery technology and other design considerations:
Solid-state batteries
These batteries are smaller and lighter than traditional lithium-ion batteries, and they can charge faster. Solid-state batteries also have a higher energy density, which means they can power vehicles for longer without adding weight.
Lightweighting
The practice of designing cars to be lighter for better fuel efficiency has been used for internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, and it will also be applied to EVs.
Smaller, more affordable models
Car manufacturers are moving toward smaller, more affordable EVs to reduce production costs and make EVs more accessible to a wider range of consumers.
The average weight of EVs will decrease as carmakers focus on these design considerations.

@Timber Rattler

[Smokin Joe]

Hurry up and get them before the subsidies run out!

Even Elon Musk can't see that as justifiable.

[banddag]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2024/04/21/electric-vehicles-not-guilty-of-excess-short-term-fire-risk-charges/#:~:text=A%20report%20from%20AutoinsuranceEX%20said,every%20210%20million%20miles%20travelled.

A report from AutoinsuranceEX said EVs exhibited 61 times fewer fires per 100,000 sales than ICE vehicles.

“Tesla has reported that between 2012 and 2021 there was approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 210 million miles travelled.

@catfish1957

[banddag]

Hurry up and get them before the subsidies run out!

Even Elon Musk can't see that as justifiable.

Musk has given so far $75 million dollars to the Trump campaign. If you think Trump is going to take away subsidies or hurt the EV industry in any way you are an idiot.


BTW:

If Trump gets in he is also going to ban assault rifles since he was almost taken out by two of them. You watch. The guy is a NY anti gun liberal.

[Smokin Joe]

Musk has given so far $75 million dollars to the Trump campaign. If you think Trump is going to take away subsidies or hurt the EV industry in any way you are an idiot.


BTW:

If Trump gets in he is also going to ban assault rifles since he was almost taken out by two of them. You watch. The guy is a NY anti gun liberal.

Well, Maybe I'm an idiot then.

YOU tell me how it is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize the EV industry at the expense of people who rely on vehicles that use different and reliable technologies.

Where I live (low temp last night 26 above) EVs will be deathtraps for the next six months, and no, charging stations aren't springing up like weeds here, either. They are summer toys, too low to the ground, have too little range (especially running the heater and keeping the windows clear of frost), and just not designed for rural roads in North Dakota's winter.

I would not bet my life on one, and those are the stakes here.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

All the problems with Ev's are being fixed.

Charging stations going up everwhere, longer range, quicker charging times, more selection, ev's dropping in price.

@Hoodat

You have lost any credibility whatsoever with that statement, as even the manufacturers of EVs would refute, that is, except EVs going down in price as they are stacking up on lots and cannot unload them otherwise.

[catfish1957]

Well, Maybe I'm an idiot then.

YOU tell me how it is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize the EV industry at the expense of people who rely on vehicles that use different and reliable technologies.

Where I live (low temp last night 26 above) EVs will be deathtraps for the next six months, and no, charging stations aren't springing up like weeds here, either. They are summer toys, too low to the ground, have too little range (especially running the heater and keeping the windows clear of frost), and just not designed for rural roads in North Dakota's winter.

I would not bet my life on one, and those are the stakes here.

Forget reality, reason and logic.  This Left loon is on a mission,.......

[Smokin Joe]

Forget reality, reason and logic.  This Left loon is on a mission,.......

I wonder how much posting that crap pays?

I could use a lucrative part time job.

[Bigun]

Public Service Announcement!

Never argue with an idiot! It's like trying to teach a pig to sing.

[banddag]

You have lost any credibility whatsoever with that statement, as even the manufacturers of EVs would refute, that is, except EVs going down in price as they are stacking up on lots and cannot unload them otherwise.

Why each quarter are EV sales breaking records?

1000 ev chargers are coming online every week in the US.  I live in a rural area and 1/4 the gas stations now have ev chargers. Hotels, banks, restaurants, malls, apartment complexes are installing them as it attracts business. Shop while your car is charging.

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/investing-america-number-publicly-available-electric-vehicle-chargers-has-doubled#:~:text=Since%20the%20start%20of%20the,chargers%20being%20added%20each%20week.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-06/tesla-helped-spur-a-long-range-electric-vehicle-boom

The Long-Range EV Boom Has Arrived
Electric car options with more than 300 miles per charge have quintupled in the US since 2021. It’s pushing the country’s average battery range to record highs.

I could go on and on but your mind is alrewady made up due to partisanship and politics.

@IsailedawayfromFR

[Hoodat]

Ev sales stagnat?   Every quarter ev sales break records beating out the previous quarter.

https://insideevs.com/news/737158/us-ev-sales-q3-2024/

If EV sales weren't stagnant, then there would be no reason to subsidize them.  The fact that subsidies exist demonstrates that EV demand is nowhere near where you wish it were. Human nature trumps your own personal emotional need.

[banddag]

YOU tell me how it is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize the EV industry at the expense of people who rely on vehicles that use different and reliable technologies.

You do know the ag indsutry has been subsidized for the last 80 years as well as nearly all indsutries in the US. Where did ingtell get the money to build the new chip planr inOhio. The $52 billion dollar chip act.

Ev's are the future. batteries are the future. We are subsidizinf these co's because China, Vietnam, S Korera is heavily subsidizing eheir own ev industry and if we do not it will put us behind.

@Smokin Joe

[Hoodat]

Why each quarter are EV sales breaking records?

Breaking records?  lol.  EV sales are up because we taxpayers (at the point of a gun) are dishing out $7,500 per so that some well-off liberal doesn't have to pay market price for an EV.  Yet even with that, sales are falling for many brands.  Rivian sales?  Down.  Tesla car sales?  Down.  Hyundai?  Down.  Ford?  Down.  Yet you choose to lump in projected Chevy and Honda sales for 2024 into your totals that were not included in 2023 data in order to fudge your numbers.  Maybe you should have actually investigated your source material before posting it.

[banddag]

If EV sales weren't stagnant, then there would be no reason to subsidize them.  The fact that subsidies exist demonstrates that EV demand is nowhere near where you wish it were. Human nature trumps your own personal emotional need.

Why is ag subsidized, why are chips subsidized, why is nearly everything subsidized in the US?
Hint: other countries are heavily subsidizing their own industries and it will put our us companies at a disadvantage but you know that.


Elon Musk's SpaceX, Tesla get more government funding than ...

qz.com
https://qz.com › elon-musks-spacex-and-tesla-get-far-m...
Apr 13, 2023 — Meanwhile, SpaceX sought and is still seeking $885 million in government funding to support broadband access in rural communities.

@Hoodat

[Hoodat]

You do know the ag indsutry has been subsidized for the last 80 years as well as nearly all indsutries in the US.

You do know that we oppose government subsidies for every US industry.  This isn't the first time this has been pointed out to you either.  Yet here you are again showing what a complete fool you are by implying that we should be supporting battery and EV subsidies because government pays farmers not to grow food.  Sheer idiocy.  And dishonest idiocy at that.