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Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« on: September 20, 2024, 10:26:55 am »
September 20, 2024
Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
By Stephen Baskerville

Remember just a few short weeks ago: Donald Trump’s heroic defiance of an assassination attempt was grudgingly admired even by opponents, while the Democrats were in disarray over what to do about their demented president running for re-election — and, to compound their dilemma, his highly implausible replacement.  Trump looked like a shoe-in as the next president. All the best commentators were saying so.

Yet now the Democrat left establishment — with the most cringeworthy candidate ever proposed by a major party — are back in the race.  Even allowing for the bias of the opinion polls, the very notion that this ludicrous woman should be taken seriously by anyone is a damning indictment of America’s politics and where it is taking the world.

That intensive coaching prevented her from making a fool of herself in the recent debate is heralded as a remarkable achievement, which in a sense it was.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2024, 11:01:02 am »
YES.

But it will have nothing to do with the Democrat offering.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2024, 07:58:45 pm »
Rhetorical question:
"Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?"

Rhetorical answer:
Yup.

The Party has its underground and above-ground election apparatus in place and ready-to-go. Better than it was in 2020 and 2022.

What do the Republicans have?

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2024, 08:32:38 pm »
YES.

But it will have nothing to do with the Democrat offering.

Ah,  Roam's old pal, you don't know that.  Let the games play out.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2024, 11:50:41 pm »
Ah,  Roam's old pal, you don't know that.  Let the games play out.

Yes I do, Wings. It was lost when the last Conservative left the race. After that it's a Pyrrhic victory at best..

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2024, 07:14:42 am »
Let us take a look at the electorate of this country. Al Gore nearly beat George W. Bush. Then John Kerry, a super radical and proven traitor to the country, came within two states of beating Bush. Then Barack Obama, another super-radical with zero accomplishments, beat war hero and accomplished senator John McCain, and then again easily defeated boy scout Mitt Romney. Given all that, is there any question that this same electorate would not embrace a radical California lefty over Donald Trump?

Those of you who think the problem is that we are not nominating conservatives are deluding yourselves. If a conservative cannot win a GOP primary, what makes you think a conservative can win a general election? The parties are realigning for a reason. There is no possibility for conservatism alone to get a sufficient plurality of the vote in this country.

I guarantee you that if Trump loses this election, the GOP will not "go back to its conservative roots." It will instead build on its nationalist base. Trump dominating the party is a strong indication that the nationalists outnumber the conservatives at this point.

The key tenet of nationalism (which I disagree with) is that we need to strengthen our borders and restrict trade in order to protect our social safety net. This was basically the position of mid-20th century Democrats like FDR. That position is in direct opposition to traditional conservatism, which focuses on smaller government, individual rights, and the preservation of traditional institutions.

Given that the left has now embraced global tyranny, I don't see any other option available to conservatives except to join forces with the nationalists to defeat the left, because global tyranny is bad. Very bad.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2024, 08:19:40 am »
I guarantee you that if Trump loses this election, the GOP will not "go back to its conservative roots." It will instead build on its nationalist base. Trump dominating the party is a strong indication that the nationalists outnumber the conservatives at this point.

It is Populism, not nationalism, and that has always been the case, at least in the politically aware. How else could a traitor to Conservatism like McCain't get near to the levers of power, or a whacko liberal like Romney or Tumpy? The politically active class is weighted toward party wonks and populists - People who focus on politics - Many Conservatives function outside of politics entirely, not to mention party...

Which explains the vast disconnect between party and base, which has always been there - How to wrangle the 'three-legged-stool of the Conservative base has long been a mystery to the party - and also neatly explains the vast difference between winning a primary election vs. winning a general one, something that is always a bit of a craps-shoot for Republicans, when the lion's share of the country prefers Conservatism.
 
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Given that the left has now embraced global tyranny, I don't see any other option available to conservatives except to join forces with the nationalists to defeat the left, because global tyranny is bad. Very bad.

That tyranny is socialist in nature and is already sunk deep at the throat of every nation of the West. If you think socialism cannot function in a nationalist bent, you have not been paying attention. MOST Nationalists are socialist, worldwide, and probably here too.

Nationalism is no answer.
And neither is Populism.

There is only one way to prevent this doom.
One.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2024, 08:37:52 am »
I think it's time for conservatives to formally create the conservative political party and differentiate their party from today's populists/nationalists.   In fact, I'm looking forward to it.  :laugh:

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2024, 08:41:40 am »
Even here, btw... And at every outlet of the 'conservative' right online.

Conservatism means little to all y'all... maybe a handful here can speak to it. Few can rattle off the principles of Principled Conservatism, and most of them have already left this place.

How many here have read  anything close to Historic Conservatism? I'm not talking Buckley...
How many here know the factions within the Republicans, not to mention Conservatives?

Many here among the politically active know little more of Conservatism than what is hawked by the party as such.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2024, 08:48:50 am »
I think it's time for conservatives to formally create the conservative political party and differentiate their party from today's populists/nationalists.   In fact, I'm looking forward to it.  :laugh:

Unlike Populism, Conservatism is not a political animal, which explains your misconception.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2024, 08:59:19 am »
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According to Mike Johnson, the Core Principles of Conservatism are:

*Individual Freedom.

*Limited Government.

*The Rule of Law.

*Peace through Strength.

Fiscal Responsibility.

*Free Markets.

*Human Dignity.

More: https://mikejohnson.house.gov/7-core-principles-of-conservatism/

What has he missed?

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2024, 09:01:38 am »
What has he missed?

As always, bumper stickers... :whistle:

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2024, 09:03:59 am »
Unlike Populism, Conservatism is not a political animal, which explains your misconception.

Then stop cluttering the political arena with your whining and tantrums ---

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2024, 09:05:23 am »
Then stop cluttering the political arena with your whining and tantrums ---

I already have. Careful, or I will crank up the volume.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2024, 09:11:54 am »
I already have. Careful, or I will crank up the volume.

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Crank away.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2024, 11:25:07 am »
RinVa wrote (about that roamin' guy):
"Crank away."

Let him crank.
I put him on permanent "ignore" YEARS ago (found out what he was about very quickly).
He will NEVER be removed from that list, so long as I remain a member here.

(oh, and what about that other guy who is cloaked in military garb? Is he a paid influencer...?)

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2024, 11:27:22 am »
What has he missed?

The resolve to follow through on any of them.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2024, 01:38:24 pm »
What has he missed?

Preservation of the traditional institutions --- including religion and family -- that have demonstrated their critical role in holding together our civilization. To people like Russel Kirk this was the thing that most distinguished conservatives from libertarians.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2024, 01:59:23 pm »
Let us take a look at the electorate of this country. Al Gore nearly beat George W. Bush. Then John Kerry, a super radical and proven traitor to the country, came within two states of beating Bush. Then Barack Obama, another super-radical with zero accomplishments, beat war hero and accomplished senator John McCain, and then again easily defeated boy scout Mitt Romney. Given all that, is there any question that this same electorate would not embrace a radical California lefty over Donald Trump?...

...Given that the left has now embraced global tyranny, I don't see any other option available to conservatives except to join forces with the nationalists to defeat the left, because global tyranny is bad. Very bad.

Don't care how much the Left tries to cheat, they can only realistically manufacture a few percentage points of votes of the whole. Which means a whole lot of people must vote for them first to get to that point.

And as we've seen for decades, America has been willing to do so, and even now as the Left pushes its nation destroying Marxist deconstructionism on this country, people are zombie walking into voting for and even bigger vapid, mentally unstable, woke Left loon.

At that point what do you do?  :shrug: You can only pull back, go to ground, and ride out the storm. You can't fix terminal stupidity.
The Republic is lost.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2024, 02:02:09 pm »
Don't care how much the Left tries to cheat, they can only realistically manufacture a few percentage points of votes of the whole. Which means a whole lot of people must vote for them first to get to that point.

And as we've seen for decades, America has been willing to do so, and even now as the Left pushes its nation destroying Marxist deconstructionism on this country, people are zombie walking into voting for and even bigger vapid, mentally unstable, woke Left loon.

At that point what do you do?  :shrug: You can only pull back, go to ground, and ride out the storm. You can't fix terminal stupidity.

No, and trying to convince people otherwise actually seems to do the opposite, it hardens their beliefs. The Hollywood/media juggernaut is powerful, IMO.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2024, 02:03:46 pm »
At this exact moment, I got the odds 51-49 for the Cackler.

Electoral Hanky Panky in the works.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2024, 02:43:15 pm »
RinVa wrote (about that roamin' guy):
"Crank away."

Let him crank.
I put him on permanent "ignore" YEARS ago (found out what he was about very quickly).
He will NEVER be removed from that list, so long as I remain a member here.

(oh, and what about that other guy who is cloaked in military garb? Is he a paid influencer...?)

*chuckle*

In the mean time, you will not be 'ignored', because firstly, the function is nearly useless (proven by you reading this script). It actually makes me giggle, you having to see that which you so abhor, and having it accentuated to your notice, rather than simply being a man with the wherewithal to just scroll on by, or to actually engage (which is the purpose of a forum).

It says more about you than it does about me.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2024, 02:46:17 pm »
I enjoy when you play testosterone man .....  88devil

Crank away.

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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2024, 02:52:49 pm »
Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
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Re: Will the Republicans Really Lose — Again?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2024, 02:55:30 pm »
The resolve to follow through on any of them.

More than that, the emphasis - Foremost. and the very root, must be small government and the libertarian ideal  of power held close to the people... In which all the rest is realized.

This movement is the exact opposite of that.
As the record will attest.