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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2024, 03:53:07 am »
If longer-lived goods were really in demand - based on peoples' actual conduct, not what they might say in polls - then they would still be produced.

The average person doesn't really want a washing machine that will last for 20 years, or a car that will last for 20 years, or ....  That's just a fact.
I reckon I'm just different, then. I have things that belonged to my great grandparents, that I will pass on to my great grandchildren. That includes a small fleet of vehicles that will not need to be registered every year because they will have antique status.
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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2024, 04:38:29 am »
I remember my grandparents still had their ‘50s refrigerator when they sold the old Victorian in the ‘80s.

I made quite a side hustle out of refitting old art-deco fridges and giving em custom paint jobs... What a guy will pay for a one-of-a-kind beer fridge... pretty crazy. Best one ever was satin on gloss black with live flame and a night time mountain scene... That guy paid me nearly 18k ... but that beer fridge was fabulous.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2024, 04:44:44 am »
I reckon I'm just different, then. I have things that belonged to my great grandparents, that I will pass on to my great grandchildren. That includes a small fleet of vehicles that will not need to be registered every year because they will have antique status.

Big dittos. I have tools older than my children. Most of dad's tools now reside with his grandson. Three of my rifles were my dad's. Our first washer and dryer belonged to my grandparents long before me.

I set store by things that work like they meant it.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2024, 04:50:02 am »
I want, I want, I want! Can I come do my laundry at your place? Please?  wink777

Might as well... Everybody else does. Besides, I bet you'd be a delight gabbin over sweet tea on the porch, waiting for the dryer.  happy77

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2024, 04:56:04 am »
So far, so good. None of it can be hacked, none of it is interwebbed. Just the way I like it.

The only thing I wish for in that respect is for local routers to supply a time server... And that every dang thing with a clock would go ask the router for date and time any time the power goes out. I'd pay money for that. My stove and my coffee pot are still blinking from a storm nigh on a month ago.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2024, 03:57:51 pm »
There's this thing I used today, almost mindlessly, it is so much a part of me, and of my family.
Its a dumb little thing, a walnut 'grinder', that I bet anyone who bakes would know...

It's of an hourglass shape, roughly two hands tall, the upper being the hopper, made of yellow plastic with a white lid, the lower being of clear glass to catch and store the output, and between the two, a flail, powered by a hand crank.... or perhaps better called a finger-crank, it is that small.

But I remember shelling walnuts to feed into that little piece of magic, that my grandmother would use in the creation of her glorious cookies... It was a whole thing then, see... the shelling, and then the grinding, all as a single thing, if you wanted any cookies to be around.

That is a thing well made... My grandmother's, my mother's, and now mine, and probably my daughter's after me. All of American business should look to that little gadget.
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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2024, 04:13:28 pm »
The only thing I wish for in that respect is for local routers to supply a time server... And that every dang thing with a clock would go ask the router for date and time any time the power goes out. I'd pay money for that. My stove and my coffee pot are still blinking from a storm nigh on a month ago.

There is a shortwave service that does that actually, independent of the internet. It's analog station, which a digital tone that manufactures can use to set clock automatically.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2024, 04:33:01 pm »
There is a shortwave service that does that actually, independent of the internet. It's analog station, which a digital tone that manufactures can use to set clock automatically.

Alright... but the router is right there, already providing service... and the machines would have to know how...

But then...

There they'd be...
Blinking...
Waiting for me to log them in so they could go get the time...
That login by way of some infuriatingly absurd pushing of buttons in some arcane and unreasonable fashion... So ridiculous to accomplish that I'd rather put up with the blinking...
Except for the damn microwave, that won't work at all until you punch all that in... The POS.  9999hair out0000

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2024, 04:56:03 pm »
I reckon I'm just different, then. I have things that belonged to my great grandparents, that I will pass on to my great grandchildren. That includes a small fleet of vehicles that will not need to be registered every year because they will have antique status.

You are different than most -  nothing inherently wrong with that - but it does mean that since you’re in the minority, most manufacturers will not cater to what you desire.  Just a fact of life, not a judgment.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2024, 05:08:04 pm »
You are different than most -  nothing inherently wrong with that - but it does mean that since you’re in the minority, most manufacturers will not cater to what you desire.  Just a fact of life, not a judgment.

Smoking’ Joe may be different, but in a good way.  happy77

Not to change the subject, but I like your avatar. One of my favorite shows of all time. And Molesley was a great underdog character.
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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2024, 05:14:14 pm »
There's this thing I used today, almost mindlessly, it is so much a part of me, and of my family.
Its a dumb little thing, a walnut 'grinder', that I bet anyone who bakes would know...

It's of an hourglass shape, roughly two hands tall, the upper being the hopper, made of yellow plastic with a white lid, the lower being of clear glass to catch and store the output, and between the two, a flail, powered by a hand crank.... or perhaps better called a finger-crank, it is that small.

But I remember shelling walnuts to feed into that little piece of magic, that my grandmother would use in the creation of her glorious cookies... It was a whole thing then, see... the shelling, and then the grinding, all as a single thing, if you wanted any cookies to be around.

That is a thing well made... My grandmother's, my mother's, and now mine, and probably my daughter's after me. All of American business should look to that little gadget.



I have one of those! It was my granny's. Like you said, it still works like a charm. I know you are a computer guy and it's really a good thing most of the time. But when integrated into every day appliances and cars/trucks it goms things up.

When I HAD to replace my 35 year old washer and dryer I went with SQ. I paid a little more. Actually, I thought to myself, berdie these won't last 35 years like the old ones did. But then I thought, berdie if you are still alive and washing clothes in 35 years... :rolling:

Refrigerators really tick me off. The expected life span in ridiculous. And I need a new wall oven but put off buying it. Dishwasher? Mine hasn't worked in years and would like to have a new one. However, it's an odd size and replacement is too darn rich for my blood. I have become used to hand washing dishes.

As  already been stated, not only do companies plan for obsolescence...people just play along because they want the new, prettiest, most better. I like old and reliable...and able to be repaired.



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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2024, 05:19:31 pm »
Smoking’ Joe may be different, but in a good way.  happy77

Not to change the subject, but I like your avatar. One of my favorite shows of all time. And Molesley was a great underdog character.

One of our favorite shows as well.  We binge watch all the time.  And Molesley is an awesome character.  We just wish they'd properly developed the relationship between him and Ms. Baxter.  That was moving along quite naturally, and should have been allowed to flourish.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2024, 06:10:08 pm »
Smoking’ Joe may be different, but in a good way.  happy77


That's right... But not so 'different' around here.  :beer:

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2024, 06:49:24 pm »
I have one of those! It was my granny's. Like you said, it still works like a charm.


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This is kinda a dumb thing... But I can't eat raw walnuts. One or two is alright... but something in the oil will eventually irritate my mouth... And once that starts I am sore and swollen for days. Something about heating em makes a difference, and I can eat all I want... So in baked goods, and even in oatmeal (which I do quite often), I can eat all I want. So that little tool is particularly well used around here.

I get these mixed nuts from the Costco... It's their 'heart healthy' mix... There is a mental exercise in every bag, as I sort out the edible nuts from the preponderance of walnuts. After a few days of picking through em, I am left with such an overburden of walnuts that the Pickens are getting Slim (didja see what I did there?)... So that's what I did today. Dumped that bag into a bowl and started shoving walnuts through that machine... Filled it five or six times, picking out all the almonds as I went, of course, till there were no walnuts left, or almonds for that matter (which being the best prize).

All that walnut crumble will get use soon enough. I will feed it into my oatmeal on the stove, or into my cookie dough, and by next month there will be another bag to pick through.

That's how it works these days. I wonder for my grandchildren who have never learned all that - I mean, their cookies come from the grocery... They never learned the quality and discipline of making those cookies, not to mention shelling the nuts, being very careful to pick out the pith, to make that sheer gold found in a mere what, cup and a half of walnut crumble?

There's a something missing that can be found there.

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I know you are a computer guy and it's really a good thing most of the time. But when integrated into every day appliances and cars/trucks it goms things up.


Oh no, darlin, I hate it. HATE it. Just as I was tipping over, I was running into small engine machinery governed by computer chips. SO DUMB. Tons and tons of small appliance, same thing... The actual thing still works... I can hot-wire it to make it go... But it's hopelessly busted because of some plastic POS, or a computer board that always goes out on em, and so it is never found used (because all of em busted the same way)... And you can't get the part - Forcing the otherwise good thing to be thrown away to go buy a new one. It is our doom.

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When I HAD to replace my 35 year old washer and dryer I went with SQ. I paid a little more. Actually, I thought to myself, berdie these won't last 35 years like the old ones did. But then I thought, berdie if you are still alive and washing clothes in 35 years... :rolling:


LOL! That's right. I make a load a week if I try hard. Them big heavy duty machines are flat loafing left to me. But I do admire how they bring the womenfolk around... Somebody is always comin by to shove something in there... And that they are around means I get to see them -  A thing all too rare otherwise, as they are all worrying over their own houses or around my mother, which is only proper.

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Refrigerators really tick me off. The expected life span in ridiculous. And I need a new wall oven but put off buying it. Dishwasher? Mine hasn't worked in years and would like to have a new one. However, it's an odd size and replacement is too darn rich for my blood. I have become used to hand
washing dishes.

That again... I got lucky. Well... not exactly, as I am a tinker in my own right, and my uncle spent his whole life fixing appliances... So just a call to Uncle Johnny, and he will guide me down that trail. In fact, he bought me those Speed Queens as a house warming gift. And he recommended all the major appliances I own. I have had ZERO trouble since '12, except for coffee makers (which he did not recommend), and microwaves (also outside of his ken). Microwaves have been my bane, having replaced that 4 times.... And it's mounted hard, over the stove, so it's a thing.

As for dishwashers... Well, we had one once... One of them ones you drag out and hook up to the faucet... Never had one built in... And having one at all was rare. Seems to me thay never work very well, and have a hard time with stainless steel... By the time your done knocking off all the stuff it won't eat. you might as well do a proper job by hand.

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As  already been stated, not only do companies plan for obsolescence...people just play along because they want the new, prettiest, most better. I like old and reliable...and able to be repaired.

That's right  :beer:
I think folks have been led down that garden path. I think a little knowledge would change that.
People are always amazed that I can fix a thing. They are flummoxed by the thought.
I think they don't do right by their kids, letting em play computer games instead of shucking corn, snapping beans, shelling walnuts, and cleaning stalls - The sort of thing that are taken for granted by you and me. Dishes, well they are like that too.

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2024, 07:17:03 pm »
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That's right  :beer:
I think folks have been led down that garden path. I think a little knowledge would change that.
People are always amazed that I can fix a thing. They are flummoxed by the thought.
I think they don't do right by their kids, letting em play computer games instead of shucking corn, snapping beans, shelling walnuts, and cleaning stalls - The sort of thing that are taken for granted by you and me. Dishes, well they are like that too.


Agreed!

I was having h#ll with a 2 year old hot water heater a while back. After using my normally called plumbers multiple times it seemed hopeless. Yes, it was under warranty, but if I want to take a shower and it's not working? 9999hair out0000

I was lucky enough to stumble upon a plumber that was older and was training his son. He told me that the younger folks want to replace...not repair. I believe that to be true. Between his son and him (on the cell phone) they fixed it. It turned out to be a problem with the propane tank regulator...not the water heater. Even had I replaced the water heater...it would have been futile. They were pricey, but worth it.

Since I was married to a plumber these things make me crazy! Car 54..Where Are You? lol

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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2024, 08:01:06 pm »

Agreed!

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Since I was married to a plumber these things make me crazy! Car 54..Where Are You? lol

And being a redneck boy, and a tinker by way of that, I can't even tell you how many electric hot water heaters I have wallered out for lime, and replaced the elements - Propane is less problematic, so less known... But I'd a found it out, for sure... And charged you a whole lot less than a plumber.

It confounds me that my kind ain't down by you. There should be a shade tree mechanic under every tree.  :shrug:

If it's already broke, why not try?
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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2024, 08:52:15 pm »
You are different than most -  nothing inherently wrong with that - but it does mean that since you’re in the minority, most manufacturers will not cater to what you desire.  Just a fact of life, not a judgment.
I don't mind being different, especially in that way. I understand my stuff, and don't have to call in a specialist often to fix it. Some of it is old enough that new parts are being made, just for folks like me (a niche market, granted).

I get that the manufacturers will generally cater to the masses, who have been 'sold' on having the latest 'gee whiz' whatever.

There is an odd comfort in waiting for the next wave of stuff and all the beta testing to be done before adopting new tech, and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." is a mantra to live by.

 There may well come a time when we or our grand kids may have to re-create tech from the 50s and before, just to rebuild. The manufacturers can go their own way, but without my dime.
There is beauty in simplicity, and even the more complicated older mechanical devices have a gadgetry that is impressive.
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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2024, 09:01:40 pm »
And being a redneck boy, and a tinker by way of that, I can't even tell you how many electric hot water heaters I have wallered out for lime, and replaced the elements - Propane is less problematic, so less known... But I'd a found it out, for sure... And charged you a whole lot less than a plumber.

It confounds me that my kind ain't down by you. There should be a shade tree mechanic under every tree.  :shrug:

If it's already broke, why not try?
Oddly enough, that's a philosophy I have long held, and even early on in the oil patch, working with gas detectors and the like, found out I could get a lot of them going. I had one hand look at me and question what I was doing, and I just said, "Well, it isn't working. If I get it going, great. If not, it wasn't working, anyway. " I moved up  pretty quickly in that outfit while I was there. (Then that boom died...and I was at the top of the scale for field hands...)
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Re: Have you noticed that things are no longer made to last?
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2024, 10:02:04 pm »
Oddly enough, that's a philosophy I have long held, and even early on in the oil patch, working with gas detectors and the like, found out I could get a lot of them going. I had one hand look at me and question what I was doing, and I just said, "Well, it isn't working. If I get it going, great. If not, it wasn't working, anyway. " I moved up  pretty quickly in that outfit while I was there. (Then that boom died...and I was at the top of the scale for field hands...)

It's how us redneck boys get nice things... Buy em busted for pennies on the dollar and fix em
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