Time for NeverTrump Republicans to Put on their Big Boy Pants

[Bigun]

Which ones? The ones on the left, or the ones on the right?

Are you accusing Trump of being a Communist? Yes or no please. @roamer_1

[bigheadfred]

Which ones? The ones on the left, or the ones on the right?

 

[roamer_1]

Are you accusing Trump of being a Communist? Yes or no please. @roamer_1

Sure, @Bigun , I am. Are you under the illusion that your government is any different than their government? It's all the same damn government. And any of the sonsabiches running on a ticket of preserving its present size and state ain't no damn different.

[bigheadfred]

Sure, @Bigun , I am. Are you under the illusion that your government is any different than their government? It's all the same damn government. And any of the sonsabiches running on a ticket of preserving its present size and state ain't no damn different.

 

[roamer_1]

Damn straight.

[Bigun]

Sure, @Bigun , I am. Are you under the illusion that your government is any different than their government? It's all the same damn government. And any of the sonsabiches running on a ticket of preserving its present size and state ain't no damn different.

If you truly believe Trump is a Communist, which is the question I asked you, it's time for you and I to split the sheets! I don't believe that for one nanosecond! @roamer_1

[roamer_1]

If you truly believe Trump is a Communist, which is the question I askedyou, it's time for you and I to split the sheets! I don't believe that for one nanosecond!

Believe what you want.

[Bigun]

Believe what you want.

 

[roamer_1]

Seeya. The record don't lie.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

And I applaud him for it.  But it would have been nice to see him do it coming out of the gate instead of waiting until he was heading out the door.

I can certainly join you in that sentiment.   

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Already there.

[jmyrlefuller]

Note that the events of March 2020 onwards were completely absent from the author's reasoning. The total betrayal of everything America represents happened in Donald Trump's watch—and he let it happen, giving its architect an award on the way out the door.

If the author wants to blame Biden for the Russia-Ukraine war and a decades old feud in the Levant, Trump can take the blame for lockdowns, shutdowns and loss of enjoyment of life.

[Smokin Joe]

Note that the events of March 2020 onwards were completely absent from the author's reasoning. The total betrayal of everything America represents happened in Donald Trump's watch—and he let it happen, giving its architect an award on the way out the door.

If the author wants to blame Biden for the Russia-Ukraine war and a decades old feud in the Levant, Trump can take the blame for lockdowns, shutdowns and loss of enjoyment of life.

Lockdowns and shutdowns were on a state-by-state basis. We didn't have them.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Lockdowns and shutdowns were on a state-by-state basis. We didn't have them.

The state's that didn't have them were the ones that chose to oppose publicly the pressure coming from the Trump Administration.

Trump is responsible for the decisions made and policies advocated by people he placed in positions of responsibility.  Selecting the right subordinates is perhaps the most important core function of any Chief Executive.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Selecting the right subordinates is perhaps the most important core function of any Chief Executive.

That was most certainly a weakness exhibited by Trump last time.  To have Jeff Sessions as AG was a terrible mistake as we handed a reliable Senate seat to the Dems while the Sessions proved to be a very weak AG who seemingly did nothing to root out the Deep state in Justice.

I had hopes that being a CEO he would be better than most at surrounding himself with competent people, not just people supportive of his ideas.

Suppose he learned his lesson and is the reason he surrounds himself now with family members.

Of course Biden with his array of incompetent Department heads from Buttboy to Granholm to Blinken and a SCOTUS judge who does not know who a women is far, far worse.

And I think it equally important that the President be a competent Military Commander-In-Chief as well, as the federal government's #1 reason for existing is protecting states from foreign interests as the individual states run their own states.

[Hoodat]

Lockdowns and shutdowns were on a state-by-state basis. We didn't have them.

At the time, I was working with Big Oil.  I had to keep a letter on me from the Dept. of Homeland Security saying that I couldn't be arrested for traveling to and from Louisiana.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

At the time, I was working with Big Oil.  I had to keep a letter on me from the Dept. of Homeland Security saying that I couldn't be arrested for traveling to and from Louisiana.

I wonder whether that letter would have saved you from a J6 solitary cell if the feds wanted to really come after you for violating their protocol?

[Hoodat]

I wonder whether that letter would have saved you from a J6 solitary cell if the feds wanted to really come after you for violating their protocol?

Not a chance.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That was most certainly a weakness exhibited by Trump last time.  To have Jeff Sessions as AG was a terrible mistake as we handed a reliable Senate seat to the Dems while the Sessions proved to be a very weak AG who seemingly did nothing to root out the Deep state in Justice.

I had hopes that being a CEO he would be better than most at surrounding himself with competent people, not just people supportive of his ideas.

Suppose he learned his lesson and is the reason he surrounds himself now with family members.

Of course Biden with his array of incompetent Department heads from Buttboy to Granholm to Blinken and a SCOTUS judge who does not know who a women is far, far worse.

And I think it equally important that the President be a competent Military Commander-In-Chief as well, as the federal government's #1 reason for existing is protecting states from foreign interests as the individual states run their own states.

Why should we assume Trump has learned his lesson?  He didn't seem to learn one damn thing after four years in office, giving both Fauci and Milley a medal on his last day.  Just as bad on his first day as his last in terms of selecting/evaluating subordinates.

That's like knowing your wife banged the entire Pittsburgh Steelers football team, but hoping she's going to be a  good girl moving forward.

[roamer_1]

Why should we assume Trump has learned his lesson?  He didn't seem to learn one damn thing after four years in office, giving both Fauci and Milley a medal on his last day.

That's like knowing your wife banged the entire Pittsburgh Steelers football team, but hoping she's going to be a  good girl moving forward.

Well... what if she only banged half of the entire Pittsburg Steelers football team?
That's only half as bad, right? 

[jmyrlefuller]

The state's that didn't have them were the ones that chose to oppose publicly the pressure coming from the Trump Administration.

Trump is responsible for the decisions made and policies advocated by people he placed in positions of responsibility.  Selecting the right subordinates is perhaps the most important core function of any Chief Executive.

And most of those states were tiny states that had the luxury of the government largely disregarding them. Bigger states like Florida didn't have the luxury of that.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I answer by reminding you are the one who asked when will Trump stop funding the Dem wishes.  In this instance, it was the wishes of both the Dems and GOP which overrode his veto.

Actually, even after losing the election, Trump was trying to shove more free cash into the economy as late as December 2020.  It was the Senate Republicans who stopped him because the House Dems were all for it.    Then after the GOP lost the Senate in 2020, the Dems and Biden gleefully implemented that part of the Trump Agenda.

[Smokin Joe]

The state's that didn't have them were the ones that chose to oppose publicly the pressure coming from the Trump Administration.

Trump is responsible for the decisions made and policies advocated by people he placed in positions of responsibility.  Selecting the right subordinates is perhaps the most important core function of any Chief Executive.

In case you just tuned in, Fauci had been around since Reagan.

Trump didn't pick him, he inherited him. Milley should have been sent packing.

The pressure, though, came from the Medical Establishment: NIAID (Fauci), the CDC, and the FDA. Trump, not being a doctor, and subjected to the propaganda media (who would think they'd lie about something like a pandemic and public health, for Pete's sake?)

I don't think Trump, nor many Americans could comprehend or even believe that such an egregious violation of the public trust was in motion.

 (Keep in mind I was pointing out that the virus was lab created, that HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc and IVM/Doxycycline/Zinc were promising protocols that were not given a fair shake because the EUA for the jabs would not have gone into effect if viable and effective treatments were available, in early 2020--and I'm not a doctor.)

Billions of dollars in profits for the companies that fund most of the medical research out there were at stake. Many of us saw through what was going on, were branded conspiracy theorists or nutters, and eventually we were proven right.
We, however, had the benefit of less filtered information, the ability to chase down research that was done before the pandemic, and some of us are scientists who could at least understand what was going on and how the protocols worked.
Trump does not have a science background, and is not a doctor, so he was at the mercy of their perfidy.   

In the end, all that did was have far fewer people trust their doctors.
I don't blame him, because he was told what was needed and provided it, based on that information. The sources are the problem, and through administrations from Reagan on, they had been trusted.

Either way, as my state and others proved, the decision was up to the States, and the responsibility for the choices made there should reside with those officials who made them, not Trump who had no authority to make those decisions on a State or local level.

[roamer_1]

A mere generation ago, our fathers would have been calling for the heads of every man-jack of em - Especially the guy at the top - not contemplating rewarding him with another run and passing over his responsibility.

That is what will be our downfall. Not Democrats.

[Bigun]

In case you just tuned in, Fauci had been around since Reagan.

Trump didn't pick him, he inherited him. Milley should have been sent packing.

The pressure, though, came from the Medical Establishment: NIAID (Fauci), the CDC, and the FDA. Trump, not being a doctor, and subjected to the propaganda media (who would think they'd lie about something like a pandemic and public health, for Pete's sake?)

I don't think Trump, nor many Americans could comprehend or even believe that such an egregious violation of the public trust was in motion.

 (Keep in mind I was pointing out that the virus was lab created, that HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc and IVM/Doxycycline/Zinc were promising protocols that were not given a fair shake because the EUA for the jabs would not have gone into effect if viable and effective treatments were available, in early 2020--and I'm not a doctor.)

Billions of dollars in profits for the companies that fund most of the medical research out there were at stake. Many of us saw through what was going on, were branded conspiracy theorists or nutters, and eventually we were proven right.
We, however, had the benefit of less filtered information, the ability to chase down research that was done before the pandemic, and some of us are scientists who could at least understand what was going on and how the protocols worked.
Trump does not have a science background, and is not a doctor, so he was at the mercy of their perfidy.   

In the end, all that did was have far fewer people trust their doctors.
I don't blame him, because he was told what was needed and provided it, based on that information. The sources are the problem, and through administrations from Reagan on, they had been trusted.

Either way, as my state and others proved, the decision was up to the States, and the responsibility for the choices made there should reside with those officials who made them, not Trump who had no authority to make those decisions on a State or local level.

  Thats my recollection as well and I was here for all of it.

I'm convinced that Trump would have been impeached and removed from office had he bucked the medical PTB any harder than he did. I recall that Trump was touting HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc early on before the "experts" shouted him down. The very same "experts" who should be decorating lampposts now.