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While everyone enjoys bashing each other over the head, I'd like to offer a positive comment:
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Musk and Trump have 2 things in common, things we admire, or used to.
Both are builders, and as such, when things do not work out on their various projects, they had to find solutions to make them work.
I enjoyed the talk between 2 who were looking for solutions.
My guess is a lot of other people did, too.

I heard the final total for those viewing/listening was in the neighborhood of 1 billion.
Some may have been the same people logging in to watch again, but I do not have enough tech knowledge to know this as a fact.
Still, pretty impressive and the MSM knows it can't do a thing about it, except ask the WH to censor it.
That speaks volumes.

:yowsa: It sure does!
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If the definition of conservative is limited government, a sound currency, fiscal sustainability, and an embrace of free markets, that’s  me


But if it means unquestioning loyalty to Trump and his populist economics,  then call me a raging Castro-ite happy77

My single vote in the presidential election won't make a damned bit of difference because Trump will easily win Texas. The same is true for Montana where @roamer_1 lives, but YOUR vote will matter greatly and you need to get off your damned high horse and do the right thing because if you don't you may never get another chance! @LMAO
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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My single vote in the presidential election won't make a damned bit of difference because Trump will easily win Texas. The same is true for Montana where @roamer_1 lives, but YOUR vote will matter greatly and you need to get off your damned high horse and do the right thing because if you don't you may never get another chance! @LMAO

The RIGHT THING? Since when has setting aside principle been the 'right thing' @Bigun ?
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AND BTW @Bigun , since my vote is so easily discounted, maybe I'll just stay home and see how Sheehy does without me.  :whistle:

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AND BTW @Bigun , since my vote is so easily discounted, maybe I'll just stay home and see how Sheehy does without me.  :whistle:

That's your right and if you think it's the right thing to do for your country go ahead and do it. Doing it to spite me is of no consequence whatever. @roamer_1
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The RIGHT THING? Since when has setting aside principle been the 'right thing' @Bigun ?

Nobody is asking you to set aside a single principle but if the Chicom crew gets elected your principles ain't going to matter one whit! Does ANYONE here understand how close this once great republic is to becoming the New Venezuela?
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Nobody is asking you to set aside a single principle but if the Chicom crew gets elected your principles ain't going to matter one whit! Does ANYONE here understand how close this once great republic is to becoming the New Venezuela?

YES, in fact, y'all are asking to set aside principle. You're asking me to vote *FOR* every damn thing I stand against... because Democrats.

FEAR.

The point of Conservatism since Reagan is for the conservative factions to support each the other's immovable principles. The unity of the Reagan Coalition.

That is where I laid my word. It is the only fealty I owe.

And doing the right thing is doing what's right, according to those principles we stand upon.
That is not what y'all are doing.

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I no problem with the way you run this site. @mystery-ak

I was a mod here once but had to give it up because my temperament would not allow me to live up to your standards.
 
I have no problem with that either.
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YES, in fact, y'all are asking to set aside principle. You're asking me to vote *FOR* every damn thing I stand against... because Democrats.

FEAR.

The point of Conservatism since Reagan is for the conservative factions to support each the other's immovable principles. The unity of the Reagan Coalition.

That is where I laid my word. It is the only fealty I owe.

And doing the right thing is doing what's right, according to those principles we stand upon.
That is not what y'all are doing.
IF the Democrats manage to entice voters, lie, cheat, and even steal their way into power, we face a tsunami of Socialist BS unheard of in World history. Why unprecedented? Because they will have technology and information on everyone from crazy cat ladies to sewing circles to political parties that was never before available and the means to do something with it. You posted something they find offensive 15 years ago, they'll be on it, and they will have AI to dig it out and hunt you down.

It would be a definite compromise of my principles to not try to stop that.

I recall the words of a little old lady who lived on the other side of the road where I lived for a summer in Virginia. "I won't see it, but there will come a day when you kids will have to stand guard on your food with a shotgun." Those words rang true, then, and still do. Yeah, I'll go there. It may take that and more to defend our homes, property, families and rights.

Keep in mind what we face are the people who tracked people from the streets in front of the Capitol on 1/6 to their home in Alaska. Only they now have some 11 million potential shock troops who are here illegally.
Even a squeaker of a victory (like Biden's swing state margins) however obtained, will be seen as a mandate to press forward with Mao's Little Red Book in hand, not the US Constitution, and by the end of a second term, there will be nothing much of the Republic left to fight for on the National Level.

I know, there is always the hype, this is the most important yada yada yada, everrr!, but like the boy crying 'Wolf!' that doesn't mean there aren't hungry predators ready and waiting to shred the sheep.
White, straight, conservative males are at the top of their hit lists, just look at the propaganda--me especially, because I am a patriarch in the truest sense of the word. I am the elder of my clan.
 
Do I fear them, individually? No. They are pampered perfumed pu**ie*. One on one wouldn't be fair. But they don't fight that way. They have no honor nor constraint.

But given the power to order others who lack conscience, who will 'just follow orders', and given the ability to dig up something that can be presented as an Original Sin against their all (too) powerful State, only their lack of competence would stand in the way of the destruction of anything resembling America.

We have no idea how many 'followers of the prophet' have been brought in who would gladly go on the hunt for Christians and Jews, and with State backing (ours), that could be a problem. If conflict ensued, by the time that hit the media, it's be all about how evil violent (misogynistic) white supremacist right winged extremists attacked those poor jihadists religion of peace folks...

The enemy (yes, I'll use that term) has already demonstrated the desire and ability to censor any information or opinion differing from the approved narrative, has demonstrated the ability to distort any information (or exclude it) to support their narrative, and the sad part is that almost all of the Media are there already or being used in ads that make it appear as if the media were saying what the Harris campaign is putting out, to appear to be far more supported than they actually are.
You've seen the 'bandwagon effect' at some point in your life, where people go along with the perceived majority to fit in (like the Bolsheviks pulled in Tsarist Russia), and it still works, whether you're voting for prom queen or president. And no, that isn't why my head is where it is at. But I realize if Harris gets to ban fraccing, what new oil wells (and gas wells) that do get drilled will produce at far lower rates, less efficiently, which means that as current wells coming on line deplete to their more stable production curves at ~20% of their initial production, the new wells coming on line (assuming any get drilled for economic reasons and slow ROIs) will not produce at the same rate the fracced wells did. That means less oil when the two year window closes. That means more higher prices on everything, because motor fuels will go up too. Obama will have his $10/gal gas, maybe even higher, and everyone will suffer except those who make the rules. Add in the rest of the Green New Deal, and it will be a real mess.
I'd like to avoid that, personally, and not see the kids go through it, either.
I have lived lean, and can do it again, even if it is getting harder.

Noting that none of the Harris websites I checked out did anything but ask for money, and did not state ANY policy positions, Democrats and others are free to project what they want to see on the Harris/Walz combo and they will, just as they did with 'Hope and Change'. Most of the electorate hasn't been paying that much attention to what she said when, so they can 'whitewash' (is that racist?) all of that with anything they think people want to hear, and in lieu of a written platform, change it for any audience, anywhere, anytime and the only contradictions will b from those who can get a post through on social media, because the MSM isn't going to carry the story.

There is a very real possibility that they will win, not necessarily because they get voted in, either. Because, by now, they have mastered the Art of the Steal.

If the thought of having them in power doesn't scare you just a little, no wonder you are having trouble walking, and I reckon you're downright bowlegged.  :laugh:
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Nope, I haven't seen what I want, either. Simple as that. I'm not voting for, per se.
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If I had my druthers, there would be a "None of the Above" option on every ballot for every race. I have a feeling I'd use it a lot. But it isn't there. Withholding my vote remains an option, but not this time, not for me, anyway. If you'll recall, I voted Constitution Party in the past. And it won't make any difference if I do withhold it, because this state will vote Trump, anyway, as will yours. Vote your conscience. And Pray for America.
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While everyone enjoys bashing each other over the head, I'd like to offer a positive comment:
 :cool:

Musk and Trump have 2 things in common, things we admire, or used to.
Both are builders, and as such, when things do not work out on their various projects, they had to find solutions to make them work.
I enjoyed the talk between 2 who were looking for solutions.
My guess is a lot of other people did, too.

I heard the final total for those viewing/listening was in the neighborhood of 1 billion.
Some may have been the same people logging in to watch again, but I do not have enough tech knowledge to know this as a fact.
Still, pretty impressive and the MSM knows it can't do a thing about it, except ask the WH to censor it.
That speaks volumes.


There is a seething hatred the left has for Musk. Not because he’s rich. Bernie Sanders and Lizzy Warren are rich and the left idolizes them both


What upsets the left is Musk’s commitment to free speech. They are the ones who are supposed to dictate who can speak and what can be heard

I’m confident if Harris asked Musk for the same interview he had with Trump, he would oblige

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0KwifvrU_8&pp=ygUdTWFrZXJzIHZzIHRha2VycyBqb2huIHN0b3NzZWw%3D


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Being a "MOD" come with a responsibility to stay above the fray for the most part.  You can go back years and not find him getting in anybody's face.

Instead, you have certain MODS here that make a forum career of attacking and mocking members who like President Trump,,,more importantly, insulting those who still are fighting the same primary wars since 2015.

With that in mind anytime one of them get down and piss/poop on the rug, I'm going to rub their faces in it...MOD or not.

Weren't you suspended a few times from this board for doing the very thing you accuse us of doing? You've been a member of this board and its predecessors for as long as I can remember being here—but that does not give you permission to lash out at people who've argued with you. In fact, most places would've given such behavior a ZOT. It's not your place to "rub their faces in it."

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1823723016741961818
I wouldn't take too much stock into what Musk claims the metrics are. They're never independently verified, he runs a barebones crew at X and can make them say whatever he wants—he's a businessman, he's going to make them say what he wants to make them look good. I have to think a good chunk of those views were from outside the United States where it's not as relevant.
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I wouldn't take too much stock into what Musk claims the metrics are. They're never independently verified, he runs a barebones crew at X and can make them say whatever he wants—he's a businessman, he's going to make them say what he wants to make them look good. I have to think a good chunk of those views were from outside the United States where it's not as relevant.

I would trust one of his 'polls' over what our MSM is generating.

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1822296083231363587

The U.S. is following in the UK's footprints -- you would think that people would have wised up and are paying attention.

The proverbial thinking that it can't happen here is ridiculous; NEWSFLASH:  It IS happening here.

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If the definition of conservative is limited government, a sound currency, fiscal sustainability, and an embrace of free markets, that’s  me


But if it means unquestioning loyalty to Trump and his populist economics,  then call me a raging Castro-ite happy77


Also, to me what is being a conservative is to respect the Constitutional norms that our founding fathers set up. Not to p**s on it cause Trump couldn't handle defeat.
Also, to me what is being a conservative is to praise dictators like Valdimar Putin or be allies with countries like Russia while p*ssing on our true allies like Ukraine!


Also, Trump doesn't want people who supported or donated to Nikki Haley to vote for him.


Fine by me.
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AND BTW @Bigun , since my vote is so easily discounted, maybe I'll just stay home and see how Sheehy does without me.  :whistle:

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Picked out members who consistently show their hatred for Pres. Trump...during the most important election in our lifetime.

If they don't want me pinging them, they can send me a PM.


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Uh, no.  You picked out members who consistently show their disdain for liberal policies - policies which your liberal saviour backs, and which your liberal self openly supports.  As for this being the most important election in our lifetime, I have to disagree with you there.

Again, when Trump acts like a Conservative, he will get my support.  But when he acts like a liberal, he won't get my support.  Been telling you this for over eight years now.  Yet you are so deeply invested in your hero-worship psychosis that you are incapable of discerning truth.  So here's the deal.  If you can get Trump to start supporting Conservative policies between now and November, then I will vote for him.  But as long as he keeps backing Big Government, then I'm out.

As for you, I expected better.  Such a disappointment to see a coward afraid to cut off funding the Democrat Party with taxpayer money because they might get upset.

And for pinging, I don't give a rat's ass whether you ping me or not.  Ping away, if your heart desires.  I just don't like it when posters repeatedly lie about what my positions are.
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AND BTW @Bigun , since my vote is so easily discounted, maybe I'll just stay home and see how Sheehy does without me.  :whistle:

@roamer_1

Please go out and vote for Sheehy.  Write in Goldwater for President if you have to, but please give us your Senate vote.   Thanks.
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Just another 8 trillion?

Maybe, maybe not.
But the real question is where the money will go.

A significant chunk of it ends up in Democrat campaign coffers.  Have you noticed that there is no shortage of funds among Democrats since 2008?
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IF the Democrats manage to entice voters, lie, cheat, and even steal their way into power, we face a tsunami of Socialist BS unheard of in World history. Why unprecedented? Because they will have technology and information on everyone from crazy cat ladies to sewing circles to political parties that was never before available and the means to do something with it. You posted something they find offensive 15 years ago, they'll be on it, and they will have AI to dig it out and hunt you down.

It would be a definite compromise of my principles to not try to stop that.

I recall the words of a little old lady who lived on the other side of the road where I lived for a summer in Virginia. "I won't see it, but there will come a day when you kids will have to stand guard on your food with a shotgun." Those words rang true, then, and still do. Yeah, I'll go there. It may take that and more to defend our homes, property, families and rights.

Keep in mind what we face are the people who tracked people from the streets in front of the Capitol on 1/6 to their home in Alaska. Only they now have some 11 million potential shock troops who are here illegally.
Even a squeaker of a victory (like Biden's swing state margins) however obtained, will be seen as a mandate to press forward with Mao's Little Red Book in hand, not the US Constitution, and by the end of a second term, there will be nothing much of the Republic left to fight for on the National Level.

I know, there is always the hype, this is the most important yada yada yada, everrr!, but like the boy crying 'Wolf!' that doesn't mean there aren't hungry predators ready and waiting to shred the sheep.
White, straight, conservative males are at the top of their hit lists, just look at the propaganda--me especially, because I am a patriarch in the truest sense of the word. I am the elder of my clan.
 
Do I fear them, individually? No. They are pampered perfumed pu**ie*. One on one wouldn't be fair. But they don't fight that way. They have no honor nor constraint.

But given the power to order others who lack conscience, who will 'just follow orders', and given the ability to dig up something that can be presented as an Original Sin against their all (too) powerful State, only their lack of competence would stand in the way of the destruction of anything resembling America.

We have no idea how many 'followers of the prophet' have been brought in who would gladly go on the hunt for Christians and Jews, and with State backing (ours), that could be a problem. If conflict ensued, by the time that hit the media, it's be all about how evil violent (misogynistic) white supremacist right winged extremists attacked those poor jihadists religion of peace folks...

The enemy (yes, I'll use that term) has already demonstrated the desire and ability to censor any information or opinion differing from the approved narrative, has demonstrated the ability to distort any information (or exclude it) to support their narrative, and the sad part is that almost all of the Media are there already or being used in ads that make it appear as if the media were saying what the Harris campaign is putting out, to appear to be far more supported than they actually are.
You've seen the 'bandwagon effect' at some point in your life, where people go along with the perceived majority to fit in (like the Bolsheviks pulled in Tsarist Russia), and it still works, whether you're voting for prom queen or president. And no, that isn't why my head is where it is at. But I realize if Harris gets to ban fraccing, what new oil wells (and gas wells) that do get drilled will produce at far lower rates, less efficiently, which means that as current wells coming on line deplete to their more stable production curves at ~20% of their initial production, the new wells coming on line (assuming any get drilled for economic reasons and slow ROIs) will not produce at the same rate the fracced wells did. That means less oil when the two year window closes. That means more higher prices on everything, because motor fuels will go up too. Obama will have his $10/gal gas, maybe even higher, and everyone will suffer except those who make the rules. Add in the rest of the Green New Deal, and it will be a real mess.
I'd like to avoid that, personally, and not see the kids go through it, either.
I have lived lean, and can do it again, even if it is getting harder.

Noting that none of the Harris websites I checked out did anything but ask for money, and did not state ANY policy positions, Democrats and others are free to project what they want to see on the Harris/Walz combo and they will, just as they did with 'Hope and Change'. Most of the electorate hasn't been paying that much attention to what she said when, so they can 'whitewash' (is that racist?) all of that with anything they think people want to hear, and in lieu of a written platform, change it for any audience, anywhere, anytime and the only contradictions will b from those who can get a post through on social media, because the MSM isn't going to carry the story.

There is a very real possibility that they will win, not necessarily because they get voted in, either. Because, by now, they have mastered the Art of the Steal.

If the thought of having them in power doesn't scare you just a little, no wonder you are having trouble walking, and I reckon you're downright bowlegged.  :laugh:
As for me, I am not so worried for me, because God is still in control. I do worry for the 30 descendants (and counting) that follow me who may not have my faith.

Nope, I haven't seen what I want, either. Simple as that. I'm not voting for, per se.
I have seen what I definitely DON'T want, and I'm voting against it.

If I had my druthers, there would be a "None of the Above" option on every ballot for every race. I have a feeling I'd use it a lot. But it isn't there. Withholding my vote remains an option, but not this time, not for me, anyway. If you'll recall, I voted Constitution Party in the past. And it won't make any difference if I do withhold it, because this state will vote Trump, anyway, as will yours. Vote your conscience. And Pray for America.

A brilliant entreaty @Smokin Joe , as  always.  :beer:

My thought turns to Theodin, the King of Rohan in Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings'...

When we first meet Theodin, he is a husk of his former self - Despite having been a beloved and honored regent in his past...

My interest is not in his 'present' state, but rather, how he came to be that way.
The Republican rank and file could learn much from that tale, I think.

Sooner or later, you're gonna have to draw a hard line. I drew mine in 2007.
And I am a Republican no more.