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Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
July 29, 2024 | By Chris Gordon

The U.S. Air Force needs to rethink how small, low-cost drones could change the definition of air superiority, Vice Chief of Staff Gen. James C. Slife said on July 29.

Small drones have become a defining feature of the Russia-Ukraine war, with both sides fielding drones and cheap quadcopters for strikes and reconnaissance. In Iraq, Syria, and Jordan, small drones—along with rockets and missiles—are regularly used to harass U.S. and allied forces, in some cases injuring and even killing American troops. In January, an Iranian-aligned militia killed three U.S. troops in Jordan with a drone at Tower 22, a remote U.S. base that lacked its own robust defenses.


“We used to make the claim that since 1953 no American has been killed by air attack,” Slife said. “We can’t make that claim anymore. It calls into question, ‘What does air superiority actually look like?’ [Does] it look like 30,000 feet over the Yalu River in 1953 or does it look like below 3,000 feet with quadcopters with a hand grenade slung to the bottom of them? I think the answer is: It’s all of the above.”

Drones are hard to detect, flying low and presenting a minimal radar cross-section. They also can be used en masse by more sophisticated adversaries, posing serious dilemmas for the Air Force and America’s allies. And they force the U.S. and allies to counter them with high-priced weapons, imposing disproportionate costs.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/small-drones-force-new-thinking-on-air-superiority-slife/
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2024, 02:22:23 pm »
Will a cheap drone FOD out a jet engine?
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2024, 03:40:01 pm »
If geese and other birds can, why not drones?

Will a cheap drone FOD out a jet engine?
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2024, 05:49:46 pm »
Drones are making ships of war more vulnerable as well.

If China launched 10,000 drones at our fleet in a war, there is zero possibility that ships will not be sunk.

The movie Star Trek Beyond displayed the effectiveness of the swarm in battles.
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2024, 06:03:03 pm »
Drones are making ships of war more vulnerable as well.

If China launched 10,000 drones at our fleet in a war, there is zero possibility that ships will not be sunk.

The movie Star Trek Beyond displayed the effectiveness of the swarm in battles.
Ender's Game did also, even though he won.
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2024, 06:07:34 pm »
Ender's Game did also, even though he won.
Yep, the Enterprise was destroyed as it was defenseless.
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2024, 06:28:38 pm »
Drones are making ships of war more vulnerable as well.

If China launched 10,000 drones at our fleet in a war, there is zero possibility that ships will not be sunk.

The movie Star Trek Beyond displayed the effectiveness of the swarm in battles.

But there is an economy to that effect... drones big enough to do damage are big enough to track and kill... A drone small enough to escape detection is too small for a payload bigger than a cam or maybe a few rounds... These are small enough to be very susceptible to chaff rounds, or even shotguns if forced low by chaff.

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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2024, 02:14:21 am »
But there is an economy to that effect... drones big enough to do damage are big enough to track and kill... A drone small enough to escape detection is too small for a payload bigger than a cam or maybe a few rounds... These are small enough to be very susceptible to chaff rounds, or even shotguns if forced low by chaff.
Those little ones could FOD an engine, though.
A few thousand worth of drones could make a mess of a few multimillion dollar aircraft. Make it with plastic, suicide type, with a rock for a payload, and go for the intakes.
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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2024, 04:19:54 am »

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Re: Small Drones Force New Thinking on Air Superiority, Slife Says
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2024, 09:41:32 am »
Drones are making ships of war more vulnerable as well.

Vulnerable = obsolete
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