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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #425 on: July 20, 2024, 11:03:41 pm »
The binary choice we find ourselves .  .  .

A lie.


not voting for TRUMP/VANCE is virtually treason.

Voting for another $8 trillion in debt is actual treason.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #426 on: July 21, 2024, 08:49:12 am »
Having said that, I have zero tolerance for those few on this forum that champion Democrat policies and ridicule Conservatives ones simply because they lack the integrity to do what you have done.  It sickens my soul to see people on this forum defend $2 trillion deficits, government shutdowns, and Fauci's fascism because to do otherwise would go against their lord and saviour Donald J. Trump.  To hell with that.  Truth matters.  It matters more than anything else.
Could we compare perhaps this with the dilemma that Churchill and Roosevelt have had to choose between Stalin and Hitler using that same logic during WW2?

Do you believe the US and UK would have simply said since they despise Communism they would have refused to help Russia defeat the Nazis?

Would that have won the war for the Allies?
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #427 on: July 21, 2024, 09:00:22 am »
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It sickens my soul to see people on this forum defend $2 trillion deficits, government shutdowns, and Fauci's fascism because to do otherwise would go against their lord and saviour Donald J. Trump.
How many - by name - defend deficits, gov't shutdowns or Fauci? And please don't insult those of us who are Christians by saying we worship Trump just because we want to ensure this country is NOT subjected to four more years of Obama/Biden/Soros. This thread has devolved into utter nonsense. Have fun with yourselves.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #428 on: July 21, 2024, 09:08:27 am »
Could we compare perhaps this with the dilemma that Churchill and Roosevelt have had to choose between Stalin and Hitler using that same logic during WW2?

Do you believe the US and UK would have simply said since they despise Communism they would have refused to help Russia defeat the Nazis?

Would that have won the war for the Allies?

That's a crock of crap. Nothing the same at all.

In fact my exercise of my sovereignty - HOWEVER I damn well choose, is my own, and no one else's. No strategery, no cock and bull scenarios. Just the simple and honest exercise of my own power to choose my own destiny as I see fit. No weight of nations, no directive of party, none of that crap.

My vote is my own. I will lend it to your cause for a price. That's all you get, and that's all you deserve.
And that price is the support of Conservative principles. Nothing else.
If you can't do that much, then we part ways, simple as that.

And that is only as it should be. What purpose would there be in voting against the very things I stand upon? There is no profit in that.

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« Reply #429 on: July 21, 2024, 09:12:44 am »
How many - by name - defend deficits, gov't shutdowns for Fauci? And please don't insult those of us who are Christians by saying we worship Trump just because we want to ensure this country is subjected to four more years of Obama/Biden/Soros. This thread has devolved into utter nonsense. Have fun with yourselves.

Here’s a quote from one upthread

“Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!”



That may not be an active defense of things like unsustainable deficits. But that quote says “I’m ok with left wing economic policy as long as Trump/Vance implements them”



We’re supposed to defeat the left. Not embrace their policies

This is the first election I can recall were we are told by some that issues and policies don’t matter

But they do matter. They don’t go away just because a candidate wins the primary. Because policy impacts everyone. Whether one voted for Obama or not as an example, we all still were impacted by ObamaCare. And raising the minimum wage has an impact on all of us in some way whether or not you vote for politicians that vote to raise it
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #430 on: July 21, 2024, 09:28:13 am »
Excellent post, @massadvj .  You and @Bigun are the only two so far that have acknowledged Trump's shortcomings, have pointed out the tradeoffs that exist, and have made a decision with full consideration of those tradeoffs.  I also have openly acknowledged the pros and cons of a Trump Presidency.  Trump gets high marks in foreign policy and other head-of-state duties.  But for me personally, I have areas of importance that differ from yours.  I fully respect your decision because of the honesty and integrity you have put forth in reaching it.

Having said that, I have zero tolerance for those few on this forum that champion Democrat policies and ridicule Conservatives ones simply because they lack the integrity to do what you have done.  It sickens my soul to see people on this forum defend $2 trillion deficits, government shutdowns, and Fauci's fascism because to do otherwise would go against their lord and saviour Donald J. Trump.  To hell with that.  Truth matters.  It matters more than anything else.

I don't fault anyone for deciding not to vote for the guy. It is a big, bitter pill to have to swallow.

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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #431 on: July 21, 2024, 09:44:01 am »
Last thing you want or need as a college professor? To be thought of as a MAGA "cult" member.

The last thing I would want as a right-thinking libertarian, whose political views are anchored in the Enlightenment and its focus on individual freedoms, is to embrace a collectivist mindset of any kind, whether it be MAGA or any other mass movement. MAGA exhibits many toxic characteristics that exemplify cults, especially the leader worship and the inability to see the obvious limitations to Trump.

I will continue to praise Trump when he does things I agree with, and criticize him when he strays, just as I would with any other leader.

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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #432 on: July 21, 2024, 09:47:51 am »
How many - by name - defend deficits, gov't shutdowns for Fauci? And please don't insult those of us who are Christians by saying we worship Trump just because we want to ensure this country is NOT subjected to four more years of Obama/Biden/Soros. This thread has devolved into utter nonsense. Have fun with yourselves.

:yowsa: I'm done with it and any other like it. (Waiting for the music to start playing.)
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #433 on: July 21, 2024, 10:17:07 am »
How many - by name - defend deficits, gov't shutdowns for Fauci? And please don't insult those of us who are Christians by saying we worship Trump just because we want to ensure this country is NOT subjected to four more years of Obama/Biden/Soros. This thread has devolved into utter nonsense. Have fun with yourselves.

@mountaineer

I'm with you, my friend.

Not about to rehash the same nonsense with these inbred Trump haters trying to pass themselves off as being fair and balanced forum pundits. 

Calls me a "liar" for claiming we are facing a binary choice come November.  Say I'm "outted" [sic] because at this point in time given our choices, I claim not to care about TRUMP/VANCE policies.

We have positive proof the GOP is the only choice this November.

Eff them all!
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #434 on: July 21, 2024, 10:18:50 am »
We have positive proof the GOP is the only choice this November.


A distinction without a difference.

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« Reply #435 on: July 21, 2024, 10:24:31 am »

A distinction without a difference.

Ya goober...told us ad nauseum that you're planning on skipping the top of the ballot. So why not just STFU about it?   :shrug:   
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #436 on: July 21, 2024, 10:26:10 am »

A distinction without a difference.

Only because you can't see the forest because you are locked in on one tree.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #437 on: July 21, 2024, 10:28:02 am »
@mountaineer

I'm with you, my friend.

Not about to rehash the same nonsense with these inbred Trump haters trying to pass themselves off as being fair and balanced forum pundits. 

Calls me a "liar" for claiming we are facing a binary choice come November.  Say I'm "outted" [sic] because at this point in time given our choices, I claim not to care about TRUMP/VANCE policies.

We have positive proof the GOP is the only choice this November.

Eff them all!


Your are so full of bull shit....   Here is a direct quote from you....
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“Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!”

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Honestly, I never thought I would hear such from a founding member of this board.  And this comes from myself as a Trump voter this November.   This is a direct rightful slam at you, for spewing  such nonsense.
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« Reply #438 on: July 21, 2024, 10:34:06 am »
Your are so full of bull shit....   Here is a direct quote from you....
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“Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!”

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Honestly, I never thought I would hear such from a founding member of this board.  And this comes from myself as a Trump voter this November.   This is a direct rightful slam at you, for spewing  such nonsense.

The statement is not meant to stand by itself.  Use the context in which is was said.

It's Freedom and the Republic this November or Chaos and Destruction of the American Experiment as intended.

Eff off, @catfish1957   You're an embarrassment.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #439 on: July 21, 2024, 10:36:58 am »
The last thing I would want as a right-thinking libertarian, whose political views are anchored in the Enlightenment and its focus on individual freedoms, is to embrace a collectivist mindset of any kind, whether it be MAGA or any other mass movement. MAGA exhibits many toxic characteristics that exemplify cults, especially the leader worship and the inability to see the obvious limitations to Trump.

I will continue to praise Trump when he does things I agree with, and criticize him when he strays, just as I would with any other leader.

Understood!  But in the world in which we live today, it's imperative for somebody in your position to not be grouped with MAGA.  Careers and reputations are ruined for less.
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« Reply #440 on: July 21, 2024, 10:37:01 am »
The statement is not meant to stand by itself.  Use the context in which is was said.

It's Freedom and the Republic this November or Chaos and Destruction of the American Experiment as intended.

Eff off, @catfish1957   You're an embarrassment.


Embarassed?  Hell, you are the one who made that silly quote.  You said it....   You own it.
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« Reply #441 on: July 21, 2024, 10:39:52 am »
Embarassed?  Hell, you are the one who made that silly quote.  You said it....   You own it.

What you claim about me is essentially claiming I'm similar to Pres. Trump stating "...there are fine people on both sides".

Get lost!

And GO ORIOLES!!
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #442 on: July 21, 2024, 10:44:07 am »
The last thing I would want as a right-thinking libertarian, whose political views are anchored in the Enlightenment and its focus on individual freedoms, is to embrace a collectivist mindset of any kind, whether it be MAGA or any other mass movement. MAGA exhibits many toxic characteristics that exemplify cults, especially the leader worship and the inability to see the obvious limitations to Trump.

I will continue to praise Trump when he does things I agree with, and criticize him when he strays, just as I would with any other leader.

Ditto, factorial.
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« Reply #443 on: July 21, 2024, 11:08:26 am »
Understood!  But in the world in which we live today, it's imperative for somebody in your position to not be grouped with MAGA.  Careers and reputations are ruined for less.

LOL. I am retired. No one gives a crap what I do these days.

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« Reply #444 on: July 21, 2024, 11:12:08 am »
Ya goober...told us ad nauseum that you're planning on skipping the top of the ballot. So why not just STFU about it?   :shrug:

For the same reason you won't shut up about how you  want to have Tumpy`s baby.  *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #445 on: July 21, 2024, 11:13:47 am »
LOL. I am retired. No one gives a crap what I do these days.

LOL!  Didn't realize that.  It's exhilarating, isn't it?   :beer:
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« Reply #446 on: July 21, 2024, 12:08:43 pm »
Embarassed?  Hell, you are the one who made that silly quote.  You said it....   You own it.

He is also the one who defended all that Covid free cash for all because Trump wouldn't have gotten re-elected if he had opposed it.  In the nine years I have been on this forum, I cannot recall a single time where he disagreed with anything Trump did.
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« Reply #447 on: July 21, 2024, 02:54:52 pm »
Excellent post, @massadvj .  You and @Bigun are the only two so far that have acknowledged Trump's shortcomings, have pointed out the tradeoffs that exist, and have made a decision with full consideration of those tradeoffs.  I also have openly acknowledged the pros and cons of a Trump Presidency.  Trump gets high marks in foreign policy and other head-of-state duties.  But for me personally, I have areas of importance that differ from yours.  I fully respect your decision because of the honesty and integrity you have put forth in reaching it.

Having said that, I have zero tolerance for those few on this forum that champion Democrat policies and ridicule Conservatives ones simply because they lack the integrity to do what you have done.  It sickens my soul to see people on this forum defend $2 trillion deficits, government shutdowns, and Fauci's fascism because to do otherwise would go against their lord and saviour Donald J. Trump.  To hell with that.  Truth matters.  It matters more than anything else.

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« Reply #448 on: July 21, 2024, 03:39:31 pm »
A distinction without a difference.

Only because you can't see the forest because you are locked in on one tree.

Best reply  pointing-up  on the whole damn thread @bigheadfred    :thumbsup:

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« Reply #449 on: July 21, 2024, 06:36:52 pm »
Only because you can't see the forest because you are locked in on one tree.

Nope. In fact I am one of a very few here  who ain't. Voting *for* big government from the Right is death. It doesn't matter which excuse you care to use. It is failure and capitulation. It is the destruction of future.

You're going the wrong way.