Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president

[Bigun]

There's another one like that here, also

We get that Trump and Vance are the nominee and the concept of limiting the size and scope of government is dead, at least for now. We had a primary and we lost. I accept that fact.

But to tell people to be silent and get on board with  policies that we know don't work or threaten the economy isn't going to happen. I don't care if it's Trump, Vance, Biden, DeSantis, Harris, ect ect Obama supporters and Obama himself told the opposition to be quiet and sit in the back seat because they won the election didn't fly then and won't now

And I doubt folks here stayed silent while Obama was pushing shovel ready jobs and Obamacare just because he won the election

Bovine excrement! 100% USDA Choice Grade A! NO ONE here is telling anyone to be silent about anything and I have no intention of doing so! EVER! I will do what I have to do in November and carry on from there.

[bigheadfred]

Fine. so shut it OFF? Are you friggin nuts?
Where was the alternative?
There was no alternative.
He just shut it off.

Now how the hell can't you see how bad that is? How utterly stupid? I had parts I couldn't get for 6 months, if then... You want to bring in your pooter to get it fixed, and not get it back for half a year?

No. you start building alternatives. you begin making other ways. You make your own guys more competitive... you make inroads in other countries. THEN, with other ways possible, and maybe even preferred, THEN you shut it the hell off. Not before.

What a dumbass thing to do. How do you reward that with another term?

Trump didn't shut off supply lines.

[roamer_1]

I thank God your brand of insanity has lost.  Seek help.

I have lost nothing.

[roamer_1]

Trump didn't shut off supply lines.

Bullshit.

[bigheadfred]

Bullshit.

Bullshit 

[Bigun]

I have lost nothing.

Really??? So WTH are you bitching about?

[roamer_1]

Bullshit 

You don't remember freighters stacked up off shore for miles and miles? That was my computer parts, sitting out there. For months. You couldn't even get parts out of Canada, because the starving US market sucked it dry.

A friend of mine manufactures bush pots. Stainless steel is almost exclusively Chinesium. his order was usually about a container a month (of various things, to include bushpots). He went under with EIGHT containers of product sitting offshore.

But that's his fault?

Don't tell me he didn't shut it off. I lived it.

[massadvj]

Folks, The GOP/MAGA party that has emerged is NOT a conservative party. I grant you that. But it is a party with some conservative leanings that has emerged from the democratic process, and, unlike unbridled conservativism, it has the potential to gain a voting plurality unlike anything we have seen since Reagan. So let's look at the good, bad and ugly of the current GOP/MAGA movement (from my point of view):

THE GOOD
1. Peace through strength, avoidance of foreign wars
2. Deregulation, especially in the energy sector
3. Secure borders
4. Conservative appointments to the courts
5. Resistance to the woke agenda

THE BAD
1. Lack of fiscal responsibility
2. Tariffs and isolationism
3. Failure to dismantle the bloated federal bureaucracy (Trump did not even go after Public Broadcasting or Education the first time around)
4. No genuine appetite for constitutionally-limited government, or individual freedom
5. Bias toward devalued dollar

THE UGLY
1. The personality cult That fails to question the cult leader
2. The personality of the cult leader himself, whose narcissism is a weakness that can be exploited and then betrayed  by the worst sorts of sycophants

I won't bother to try to make the case that the good outweighs the bad and the ugly. I will simply say that under a future Biden or Harris (or someone else?) administration, there is no good. Only bad and ugly, and getting worse and uglier by the day. So I will vote for Trump, and I will expect only three things from him: energy deregulation, border security and good judicial appointments. If he delivers on those three things, I feel my vote will have been justified.

Finally, let me say this. We may think that voting no on Trump now might usher in some future conservative utopia, free from the mass hallucination that is MAGA. I have come to realize that politics does not really work that way. If it did, there would have been a conservative utopia after George HW Bush or Bob Dole. There wasn't. There never will be, for the simple reason that thoughtful, constitutionally-principled conservatism is a minority view in this nation, and has been for three generations.

We are a parasitic nation, and parasites are not going to vote for anything that keeps them from being able to suck sustenance from the host.

[roamer_1]

Really??? So WTH are you bitching about?

The principles I am standing upon have not eroded. They remain the very same.
I have lost nothing.

I am bitching because all y'all will not defend those things, and instead, endorse liberalism... because Democrats.

[libertybele]

Folks, The GOP/MAGA party that has emerged is NOT a conservative party. I grant you that. But it is a party with some conservative leanings that has emerged from the democratic process, and, unlike unbridled conservativism, it has the potential to gain a voting plurality unlike anything we have seen since Reagan. So let's look at the good, bad and ugly of the current GOP/MAGA movement (from my point of view):

THE GOOD
1. Peace through strength, avoidance of foreign wars
2. Deregulation, especially in the energy sector
3. Secure borders
4. Conservative appointments to the courts
5. Resistance to the woke agenda

THE BAD
1. Lack of fiscal responsibility
2. Tariffs and isolationism
3. Failure to dismantle the bloated federal bureaucracy (Trump did not even go after Public Broadcasting or Education the first time around)
4. No genuine appetite for constitutionally-limited government, or individual freedom
5. Bias toward devalued dollar

THE UGLY
1. The personality cult That fails to question the cult leader
2. The personality of the cult leader himself, whose narcissism is a weakness that can be exploited and then betrayed  by the worst sorts of sycophants

I won't bother to try to make the case that the good outweighs the bad and the ugly. I will simply say that under a future Biden or Harris (or someone else?) administration, there is no good. Only bad and ugly, and getting worse and uglier by the day. So I will vote for Trump, and I will expect only three things from him: energy deregu;ation, border security and good judge appointments. If he delivers on those three things, I feel my vote will have been justified.

Finally, let me say this. We may think that voting no on Trump now might usher in some future conservative utopia, free from the mass hallucination that is MAGA. I have come to realize that politics does not really work that way. If it did, there would have been a conservative utopia after George HW Bush or Bob Dole. There wasn't. There never will be, for the simple reason that thoughtful, constitutionally-principled conservatism is a minority view in this nation, and has been for three generations.

We are a parasitic nation, and parasites are not going to vote for anything that keeps them from being able to suck sustenance from the host.

Great analysis but I have a very difficult time accepting that constitutionally-principled conservatism is in the minority.  A very difficult time.

[Bigun]

Folks, The GOP/MAGA party that has emerged is NOT a conservative party. I grant you that. But it is a party with some conservative leanings that has emerged from the democratic process, and, unlike unbridled conservativism, it has the potential to gain a voting plurality unlike anything we have seen since Reagan. So let's look at the good, bad and ugly of the current GOP/MAGA movement (from my point of view):

THE GOOD
1. Peace through strength, avoidance of foreign wars
2. Deregulation, especially in the energy sector
3. Secure borders
4. Conservative appointments to the courts
5. Resistance to the woke agenda

THE BAD
1. Lack of fiscal responsibility
2. Tariffs and isolationism
3. Failure to dismantle the bloated federal bureaucracy (Trump did not even go after Public Broadcasting or Education the first time around)
4. No genuine appetite for constitutionally-limited government, or individual freedom
5. Bias toward devalued dollar

THE UGLY
1. The personality cult That fails to question the cult leader
2. The personality of the cult leader himself, whose narcissism is a weakness that can be exploited and then betrayed  by the worst sorts of sycophants

I won't bother to try to make the case that the good outweighs the bad and the ugly. I will simply say that under a future Biden or Harris (or someone else?) administration, there is no good. Only bad and ugly, and getting worse and uglier by the day. So I will vote for Trump, and I will expect only three things from him: energy deregulation, border security and good judge appointments. If he delivers on those three things, I feel my vote will have been justified.
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Finally, let me say this. We may think that voting no on Trump now might usher in some future conservative utopia, free from the mass hallucination that is MAGA. I have come to realize that politics does not really work that way. If it did, there would have been a conservative utopia after George HW Bush or Bob Dole. There wasn't. There never will be, for the simple reason that thoughtful, constitutionally-principled conservatism is a minority view in this nation, and has been for three generations.

We are a parasitic nation, and parasites are not going to vote for anything that keeps them from being able to suck sustenance from the host.

Thanks! You and I are on the exact same page. @massadvj

[roamer_1]

Folks, The GOP/MAGA party that has emerged is NOT a conservative party. I grant you that. But it is a party with some conservative leanings that has emerged from the democratic process, and, unlike unbridled conservativism, it has the potential to gain a voting plurality unlike anything we have seen since Reagan. So let's look at the good, bad and ugly of the current GOP/MAGA movement (from my point of view):

THE GOOD
1. Peace through strength, avoidance of foreign wars
2. Deregulation, especially in the energy sector
3. Secure borders
4. Conservative appointments to the courts
5. Resistance to the woke agenda

THE BAD
1. Lack of fiscal responsibility
2. Tariffs and isolationism
3. Failure to dismantle the bloated federal bureaucracy (Trump did not even go after Public Broadcasting or Education the first time around)
4. No genuine appetite for constitutionally-limited government, or individual freedom
5. Bias toward devalued dollar

THE UGLY
1. The personality cult That fails to question the cult leader
2. The personality of the cult leader himself, whose narcissism is a weakness that can be exploited and then betrayed  by the worst sorts of sycophants

I won't bother to try to make the case that the good outweighs the bad and the ugly. I will simply say that under a future Biden or Harris (or someone else?) administration, there is no good. Only bad and ugly, and getting worse and uglier by the day. So I will vote for Trump, and I will expect only three things from him: energy deregulation, border security and good judicial appointments. If he delivers on those three things, I feel my vote will have been justified.

Finally, let me say this. We may think that voting no on Trump now might usher in some future conservative utopia, free from the mass hallucination that is MAGA. I have come to realize that politics does not really work that way. If it did, there would have been a conservative utopia after George HW Bush or Bob Dole. There wasn't. There never will be, for the simple reason that thoughtful, constitutionally-principled conservatism is a minority view in this nation, and has been for three generations.

We are a parasitic nation, and parasites are not going to vote for anything that keeps them from being able to suck sustenance from the host.

The very essence of being satisfied by the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

Not me.
I want excellence.
I demand it.

'Better than Democrats' is no criteria *at all* - And it is not true.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I have lost nothing.

Except power and influence.

[massadvj]

Thanks! You and I are on the exact same page. @massadvj

 

[roamer_1]

Except power and influence.

Never had it. Don't want it, soo...

[LMAO]

Folks, The GOP/MAGA party that has emerged is NOT a conservative party. I grant you that. But it is a party with some conservative leanings that has emerged from the democratic process, and, unlike unbridled conservativism, it has the potential to gain a voting plurality unlike anything we have seen since Reagan. So let's look at the good, bad and ugly of the current GOP/MAGA movement (from my point of view):

THE GOOD
1. Peace through strength, avoidance of foreign wars
2. Deregulation, especially in the energy sector
3. Secure borders
4. Conservative appointments to the courts
5. Resistance to the woke agenda

THE BAD
1. Lack of fiscal responsibility
2. Tariffs and isolationism
3. Failure to dismantle the bloated federal bureaucracy (Trump did not even go after Public Broadcasting or Education the first time around)
4. No genuine appetite for constitutionally-limited government, or individual freedom
5. Bias toward devalued dollar

THE UGLY
1. The personality cult That fails to question the cult leader
2. The personality of the cult leader himself, whose narcissism is a weakness that can be exploited and then betrayed  by the worst sorts of sycophants

I won't bother to try to make the case that the good outweighs the bad and the ugly. I will simply say that under a future Biden or Harris (or someone else?) administration, there is no good. Only bad and ugly, and getting worse and uglier by the day. So I will vote for Trump, and I will expect only three things from him: energy deregulation, border security and good judicial appointments. If he delivers on those three things, I feel my vote will have been justified.

Finally, let me say this. We may think that voting no on Trump now might usher in some future conservative utopia, free from the mass hallucination that is MAGA. I have come to realize that politics does not really work that way. If it did, there would have been a conservative utopia after George HW Bush or Bob Dole. There wasn't. There never will be, for the simple reason that thoughtful, constitutionally-principled conservatism is a minority view in this nation, and has been for three generations.

We are a parasitic nation, and parasites are not going to vote for anything that keeps them from being able to suck sustenance from the host.

Good and fair post. I agree with your, good, bad, and ugly list

But I disagree with the bolded. I think we are going to have to hit bottom before there is any change. And even that isn't guaranteed. I don't believe that not voting for Trump means Calvin Coolidge is coming  back in 2028. These working class folks that are MAGA today can easily go back to Democratic Socialism tomorrow

[libertybele]

Good and fair post

But I disagree with the bolded. I think we are going to have to hit bottom before there is any change. And even that isn't guaranteed. I don't believe that not voting for Trump means Calvin Coolidge is coming  back in 2028. These working class folks that are MAGA today can easily go back to Democratic Socialism tomorrow

?? Is that what you think, or am I misunderstanding; that the MAGA working class folks used to be DEM socialists ????

[roamer_1]

These working class folks that are MAGA today can easily go back to Democratic Socialism tomorrow

What do you mean, 'go back'?
It's. the same damn thing.

[Bigun]

The principles I am standing upon have not eroded. They remain the very same.
I have lost nothing.

I am bitching because all y'all will not defend those things, and instead, endorse liberalism... because Democrats.

So please be kind enough to explain this for me.

Fine. so shut it OFF? Are you friggin nuts?
Where was the alternative?
There was no alternative.
He just shut it off.

Now how the hell can't you see how bad that is? How utterly stupid? I had parts I couldn't get for 6 months, if then... You want to bring in your pooter to get it fixed, and not get it back for half a year?

No. you start building alternatives. you begin making other ways. You make your own guys more competitive... you make inroads in other countries. THEN, with other ways possible, and maybe even preferred, THEN you shut it the hell off. Not before.

What a dumbass thing to do. How do you reward that with another term?

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,536890.msg3049086.html#msg3049086

[roamer_1]

So please be kind enough to explain this for me.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,536890.msg3049086.html#msg3049086

Explain what?
It is self-evident.

[LMAO]

?? Is that what you think, or am I misunderstanding; that the MAGA working class folks used to be DEM socialists ????

Working class people used to be a Democrat Party constituency. These are union people who tend to believe in an active government in the economy

Many of them may vote GOP now because of Democrat wokeness. But that won't last forever

[LMAO]

What do you mean, 'go back'?
It's. the same damn thing.

In some ways. MAGA doesn't believe in DEI or woke politics like AOC and Warren do

[Bigun]

These working class folks that are MAGA today can easily go back to Democratic Socialism tomorrow

Not a chance in hell! At least not for a generation or two.

[roamer_1]

In some ways. MAGA doesn't believe in DEI or woke politics like AOC and Warren do

I ain't talking about woke. The conversation was fiscally oriented.

[massadvj]

Great analysis but I have a very difficult time accepting that constitutionally-principled conservatism is in the minority.  A very difficult time.

My evidence is that no constitutionally-principled conservative has won the GOP nomination, let alone a general election, since Reagan. I believe that so many people have become dependent on the federal government that they fear what might happen if it was diminished. Certainly, the Democrats have won quite a few elections playing on this fear.