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« Reply #950 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 09:58 am »
Nope.  Just the suspension of Habeas Corpus by Lincoln, which was immediately challenged in court.  The state and local governments in both Union and Confederacy continued to function through 1865, with the Presidential election of 1864 the biggest outcome, when Lincoln beat McClellan in a landslide.  Davis still had 2 years left in his single six-year term, under the Confederate Constitution, when the war ended in 1865.

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« Reply #951 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 09:59 am »
@Weird Tolkienish Figure   @roamer_1  @Timber Rattler  @

So, IOW, you're all giving credence to the Democrat Left in their cries that President Trump would become a Dictator?

"Shirley", you're not serious??
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No, @DCPatriot ... YOU are.  happy77

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« Reply #953 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:02 am »
@Weird Tolkienish Figure   @roamer_1  @Timber Rattler  @

So, IOW, you're all giving credence to the Democrat Left in their cries that President Trump would become a Dictator?

"Shirley", you're not serious??
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I Never did. I said Trump, to his credit, resisted the advice of nutbag Flynn, Lindell etc. He went loudly, but he still went.

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« Reply #954 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:07 am »
If SCOTUS had upheld their Constitutional responsibility and heard Texas vs Pennsylvania in 2020 we probably would not be in this mess!
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« Reply #955 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:12 am »
If SCOTUS had upheld their Constitutional responsibility and heard Texas vs Pennsylvania in 2020 we probably would not be in this mess!


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« Reply #958 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:33 am »
I'd prefer a bad democratically elected government to a tinhorn dictatorship thank you very much.

Come November you just might get both.
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« Reply #959 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:47 am »
Now it's more than obvious!!
Excerpt from the article:
The Secret Service has rejected Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests for records related to the recent attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump. The attempt, carried out by 20-year-old Thomas Crooks, took place during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13.

Crooks managed to evade multiple layers of state, local, and federal law enforcement, climbing onto a rooftop and firing eight shots at President Trump. One bullet grazed Trump’s ear as he turned his head at the last moment to read a chart on illegal immigration.

An alarming new angle of the assassination attempt has been released, raising serious questions about how Crooks was able to remain in plain sight without being apprehended.



Clearly, it's an inside job.

What remains is who gave the order??

Obama? Joe? Mayorkas??

We need answers!!!

https://defiantamerica.com/insane-new-angle-of-trump-assassination-attempt-released-what-do-you-notice/

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« Reply #960 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:49 am »
Come November you just might get both.

 Either way, apparently.  :whistle:

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« Reply #961 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 10:53 am »
Either way, apparently.  :whistle:

I'd be deeply surprised if Trump managed to impose a dictatorship because it would require the support of so many Democrats who are entrenched in every level of government.

Kamala Harris would already have that support.
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« Reply #962 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 11:01 am »
I'd be deeply surprised if Trump managed to impose a dictatorship because it would require the support of so many Democrats who are entrenched in every level of government.

Kamala Harris would already have that support.

:yowsa: Your head is screwed on very straight @MeganC
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« Reply #963 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 11:32 am »
:yowsa: Your head is screwed on very straight @MeganC

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« Reply #964 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 11:54 am »
I'd be deeply surprised if Trump managed to impose a dictatorship because it would require the support of so many Democrats who are entrenched in every level of government.

Kamala Harris would already have that support.

There's truth to what you say no doubt, but to just dismissed that threats cannot come from all "sides" is dangerous thinking IMO.

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« Reply #965 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 12:35 pm »
I'd be deeply surprised if Trump managed to impose a dictatorship because it would require the support of so many Democrats who are entrenched in every level of government.

Kamala Harris would already have that support.

Yet here we are, with Briefers speaking in approving tones, of a military junta on the right. WTF, ALREADY?

Good rule of thumb: power you would not give to your enemy should nether be given to your friend.

It's the same damn government.

And by the way, the ones who would stop martial law from either direction would be red state governors. Not blue ones.

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« Reply #966 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 12:39 pm »
Yet here we are, with Briefers speaking in approving tones, of a military junta on the right. WTF, ALREADY?

Good rule of thumb: power you would not give to your enemy should nether be given to your friend.

It's the same damn government.

And by the way, the ones who would stop martial law from either direction would be red state governors. Not blue ones.

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« Reply #967 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 01:27 pm »
Yet here we are, with Briefers speaking in approving tones, of a military junta on the right. WTF, ALREADY?

Good rule of thumb: power you would not give to your enemy should nether be given to your friend.

It's the same damn government.

And by the way, the ones who would stop martial law from either direction would be red state governors. Not blue ones.

Oh, come on now!  "Military junta" my foot!

Maybe you might vote for Kamala so that you can still sleep with your windows opened.   **nononono*
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« Reply #968 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 01:34 pm »
Oh, come on now!  "Military junta" my foot!

Maybe you might vote for Kamala so that you can still sleep with your windows opened.   **nononono*

What do you think 'martial law' IS?

And no, I will vote for neither one... Neither is worthy. Neither represents what I want.

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« Reply #969 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 02:07 pm »
What do you think 'martial law' IS?

And no, I will vote for neither one... Neither is worthy. Neither represents what I want.

And yet you continue to trip onto your face rushing to give your opinions on matters.   :shrug:
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« Reply #970 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 04:09 pm »
And yet you continue to trip onto your face rushing to give your opinions on matters.   :shrug:

Hardly. I ain't the one preaching martial law...

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« Reply #971 on: Wednesday, Jul 31, 2024 04:14 pm »
Now it's more than obvious!!
Excerpt from the article:
The Secret Service has rejected Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests for records related to the recent attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump. The attempt, carried out by 20-year-old Thomas Crooks, took place during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13.

Crooks managed to evade multiple layers of state, local, and federal law enforcement, climbing onto a rooftop and firing eight shots at President Trump. One bullet grazed Trump’s ear as he turned his head at the last moment to read a chart on illegal immigration.

An alarming new angle of the assassination attempt has been released, raising serious questions about how Crooks was able to remain in plain sight without being apprehended.



Clearly, it's an inside job.

What remains is who gave the order??

Obama? Joe? Mayorkas??

We need answers!!!

https://defiantamerica.com/insane-new-angle-of-trump-assassination-attempt-released-what-do-you-notice/
"Clearly, it's an inside job"

Yes, and clearly what a devious, well-organized plot it was. They got this super-trained assassin, Crooks, to crawl along a roof where everybody could see him and let him get off eight shots.
I mean why hire expert marksmen to do the job when you can get an untrained, mentally ill loner with negligible stealth skills to make an attempt?
It was just a massive screwup by the SS.....nothing more, nothing less. No evil plotting involved.

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« Reply #973 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 07:09 am »
There's truth to what you say no doubt, but to just dismissed that threats cannot come from all "sides" is dangerous thinking IMO.

I don't dismiss potential threats but I will absolutely analyze them to put them in their proper perspective. And Harris has mechanisms in place which could facilitate authoritarian rule while Trump does not. 
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« Reply #974 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 08:09 am »
"Clearly, it's an inside job"

Yes, and clearly what a devious, well-organized plot it was. They got this super-trained assassin, Crooks, to crawl along a roof where everybody could see him and let him get off eight shots.
I mean why hire expert marksmen to do the job when you can get an untrained, mentally ill loner with negligible stealth skills to make an attempt?
It was just a massive screwup by the SS.....nothing more, nothing less. No evil plotting involved.
We all on this thread are anxiously waiting for your evidence that supports this claim.  Best I can tell that is just a WAG.

Waiting now...
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« Reply #976 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 11:50 am »
So YOU say! I happen to believe General Flynn knows WAY to much as far as our current "Government" is concerned which is EXACTLY why they had to deep six him!
I agree about that but will take a pass on nationwide Martial Law. There have been occasions in cities where it has been necessary to gain control over rioting (in the '60s, National Guard with shoot looters orders), but even those operations were subject to the civil authority.

The problem with Martial Law is that once the troops are deployed, if the wrong person is giving the orders, you are screwed. There is no guarantee someone even within the military might not 'arrange' for 'unfortunate events' leading to that situation.
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« Reply #977 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 11:51 am »

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« Reply #978 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 11:53 am »

Catherine Herridge Identifies BOMBSHELL From Secret Service Senate Hearing: ‘Incomprehensible’

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Mark Steffen
August 1, 2024

Veteran Capitol Hill reporter Catherine Herridge singled out remarks by the acting chief of the Secret Service on Tuesday suggesting that the federal government’s ability to coordinate with local officials may be no better than it was before 9/11 despite billions of dollars spent to break down the information siloes that led to the attacks. She also identified an “incomprehensible” admission regarding a drone operated by the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks.

The bombshell disclosure came during Robert Rowe’s testimony before a joint Senate committee investigating how lapses in security allowed a deranged gunman to come within an inch of killing former President Donald Trump last month. The director affirmed a question by Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI) asking if it’s accurate that local authorities had “no way of communicating with the Secret Service” or a counter-sniper for at least 30 seconds before they reported the gunman was on a nearby roof. “Would that be enough time to react prior to the firing of those shots?” the senator asked.

“Senator, if we’d had that information they’d have been able to address it more quickly. It appears that that information was stuck or siloed in that state or local channel,” Rowe admitted before pointing to other ways in which the Secret Service did its best to partner with police in Butler, Pennsylvania that day. “It is troubling to me that we did not get that information as quickly as we should have. We didn’t know that there was this incident going on, and the only thing we had was, locals were working on an issue at the 3 o’clock, which was to the president’s right which was where the shot came. Nothing about the man on the roof, nothing about a man with a gun, none of that information ever made it over our net.

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https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/catherine-herridge-identifies-bombshell-from-secret-service-senate-hearing-incomprehensible-mstef/

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« Reply #979 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 11:55 am »
If SCOTUS had upheld their Constitutional responsibility and heard Texas vs Pennsylvania in 2020 we probably would not be in this mess!
:yowsa:

That critical abdication of primary jurisdiction was one of the worst things SCOTUS has done.
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« Reply #981 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 12:07 pm »
The problem with Martial Law is that once the troops are deployed, if the wrong person is giving the orders, you are screwed. There is no guarantee someone even within the military might not 'arrange' for 'unfortunate events' leading to that situation.

The thing with martial law is the precedent it sets. If it pushes against its traces, next time it has a bit more room.

Martial law has almost only and exclusively employed under the guise of local and state LEOS (supplementing them) in cases of rioting and natural disasters. That's the acceptable base line. Boots on the ground to augment local control.

Now ponder what the covid lockdowns added to that - Control of banks, ports, and businesses... Picking and choosing....

Now lets envision the next lockdown, where the two are joined together... Because the precedent has been set, and they did not get in trouble for it... So that is compliance. Boots on the ground and control of goods and services...

All that's left is military courts and our Constitution is subsumed.

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« Reply #983 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 12:13 pm »
Yet here we are, with Briefers speaking in approving tones, of a military junta on the right. WTF, ALREADY?

Good rule of thumb: power you would not give to your enemy should nether be given to your friend.

It's the same damn government.

And by the way, the ones who would stop martial law from either direction would be red state governors. Not blue ones.
Spot on.

While I agree with @MeganC that the imposition of a totalitarian regime by Harris or other Democrats would be facilitated by their perfusion in the Administrative (deep) State, those selfsame people would drool at the possibility of increasing their power and lack of accountability already enjoyed under any boss,  with the intent of turning that power to serving their own ambitions later.
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« Reply #984 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 12:19 pm »
You can use a hammer to build or to demolish, but first, you gotta get a hammer. From there, the world is a keg of nails, and you get to choose which ones get hit.

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« Reply #985 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 12:29 pm »
"Clearly, it's an inside job"

Yes, and clearly what a devious, well-organized plot it was. They got this super-trained assassin, Crooks, to crawl along a roof where everybody could see him and let him get off eight shots.
I mean why hire expert marksmen to do the job when you can get an untrained, mentally ill loner with negligible stealth skills to make an attempt?
It was just a massive screwup by the SS.....nothing more, nothing less. No evil plotting involved.
This ignores the sound analysis that showed two shooters.
Transit time from the bullet arriving (sonic 'crack') and the sound of the rifle discharging is different, showing two rifles involved (the bullet gets there first). If one shooter was located beneath or above and behind crooks, along a very similar azimuth from the stage, trajectories might not sort out the difference. It would be ideal to have the 'pro' located near the patsy, azimuth wise, and if dressed as one of the myriad different groups of LEOs present, they could just walk away.

As for finding 8 cartridge cases on the roof, expended .223 (or 5.56) brass is common as cat crap. Google it if you don't believe me, it is sold in bulk, and often found at rifle ranges. It is doubtful that Crooks reloaded, so brass from his rifle may have been available at the range where he shot.
But with a tendency to not ask all the questions (just stop with the 'answers' that fulfill the narrative), that brass could have been fired by most anyone, anywhere, any time, and there were lots of people who shoot it there that day on the security crew. While hardly sufficient, IMO, as evidence, some rifles will leave characteristic deformations or markings on expended cartridge cases, either by the location and depth of penetration of the firing pin, the extractor, or by the process of extraction. So much so that some states required cartridge cases to be filed when purchasing a firearm, and some I bought in ND which were NIB and obviously from states which restricted magazine size, came from the factory with an expended case in an envelope to file with TPTB. They were sold by an FFL here because the whole sale process in ND was much simpler.

With that in mind, has any analysis of the cartridge cases allegedly from Crooks'  rifle been conducted with cases obtained by test firing that rifle?
Have the head stamps on the cartridge cases been checked?
Are they even from the same manufacturer?
Have any recovered bullets (have any even been recovered) been subjected to ballistic analysis with bullets fired from Crooks' rifle for comparison?
Or are we just taking their word for everything, the word of the SS people who have been caught lying before Congress and the world?
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« Reply #986 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 01:47 pm »
Oh, that's niiiice. That one is in the file. I will use it often.  :beer:



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« Reply #987 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 01:52 pm »
Oh, that's niiiice. That one is in the file. I will use it often.  :beer:
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« Reply #988 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:08 pm »
I agree about that but will take a pass on nationwide Martial Law. There have been occasions in cities where it has been necessary to gain control over rioting (in the '60s, National Guard with shoot looters orders), but even those operations were subject to the civil authority.

The problem with Martial Law is that once the troops are deployed, if the wrong person is giving the orders, you are screwed. There is no guarantee someone even within the military might not 'arrange' for 'unfortunate events' leading to that situation.

I have not, and cannot find where General Flynn did either, ever suggested full scale martial law. What I have said is "If there were any justice, every lamppost on Constitution Ave. would have a decoration or two hanging from it."
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« Reply #989 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:10 pm »
I have not, and cannot find where General Flynn did either, ever suggested full scale martial law. What I have said is "If there were any justice, every lamppost on Constitution Ave. would have a decoration or two hanging from it."
And, when the ornaments fell from the bridges across the Potomac, the crabs would run fat.

I'm not against Flynn, I even have a copy of his Citizen's Guide to 5GW, but I am damned leery of concentrations of power.  In some places, at some point, there will be needed shows of force (and, sadly the employment thereof) to get things under control. The question is, "Who, when, where?". The last General we could trust running the country with incredible power was George Washington, and he turned down being King.
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« Reply #990 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:18 pm »
This ignores the sound analysis that showed two shooters.
Transit time from the bullet arriving (sonic 'crack') and the sound of the rifle discharging is different, showing two rifles involved (the bullet gets there first). If one shooter was located beneath or above and behind crooks, along a very similar azimuth from the stage, trajectories might not sort out the difference. It would be ideal to have the 'pro' located near the patsy, azimuth wise, and if dressed as one of the myriad different groups of LEOs present, they could just walk away.

As for finding 8 cartridge cases on the roof, expended .223 (or 5.56) brass is common as cat crap. Google it if you don't believe me, it is sold in bulk, and often found at rifle ranges. It is doubtful that Crooks reloaded, so brass from his rifle may have been available at the range where he shot.
But with a tendency to not ask all the questions (just stop with the 'answers' that fulfill the narrative), that brass could have been fired by most anyone, anywhere, any time, and there were lots of people who shoot it there that day on the security crew. While hardly sufficient, IMO, as evidence, some rifles will leave characteristic deformations or markings on expended cartridge cases, either by the location and depth of penetration of the firing pin, the extractor, or by the process of extraction. So much so that some states required cartridge cases to be filed when purchasing a firearm, and some I bought in ND which were NIB and obviously from states which restricted magazine size, came from the factory with an expended case in an envelope to file with TPTB. They were sold by an FFL here because the whole sale process in ND was much simpler.

With that in mind, has any analysis of the cartridge cases allegedly from Crooks'  rifle been conducted with cases obtained by test firing that rifle?
Have the head stamps on the cartridge cases been checked?
Are they even from the same manufacturer?
Have any recovered bullets (have any even been recovered) been subjected to ballistic analysis with bullets fired from Crooks' rifle for comparison?
Or are we just taking their word for everything, the word of the SS people who have been caught lying before Congress and the world?

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« Reply #991 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:23 pm »
Spot on.

While I agree with @MeganC that the imposition of a totalitarian regime by Harris or other Democrats would be facilitated by their perfusion in the Administrative (deep) State, those selfsame people would drool at the possibility of increasing their power and lack of accountability already enjoyed under any boss,  with the intent of turning that power to serving their own ambitions later.
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« Reply #992 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:25 pm »
Government beauracrats NEVER have any difficulty figuring out which nails to hit. It's ALWAYS those who have the temerity to challenge anything they say.
Well, that's because bureaucrats are just low tier totalitarians.
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« Reply #993 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:28 pm »

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1819094175096176770

How typical of the inside the beltway culture! Promote the guilty party to director so he can more effectively cover up his malfeasance!
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« Reply #994 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:34 pm »
And, when the ornaments fell from the bridges across the Potomac, the crabs would run fat.

I'm not against Flynn, I even have a copy of his Citizen's Guide to 5GW, but I am damned leery of concentrations of power.  In some places, at some point, there will be needed shows of force (and, sadly the employment thereof) to get things under control. The question is, "Who, when, where?". The last General we could trust running the country with incredible power was George Washington, and he turned down being King.

I completely agree with that in its entirety and cannot think of anyone currently around that I would trust more than Mike Flynn!
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« Reply #995 on: Thursday, Aug 01, 2024 02:35 pm »
Well, that's because bureaucrats are just low tier totalitarians.

:yowsa: Which is exactly why we need far fewer of them!
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« Reply #996 on: Friday, Aug 02, 2024 12:04 am »
Rowe in charge of the Secret Service, and the revelation that he was a decision maker in regard to the site in Butler, PA sure does scream conspiracy to me.  Oh yes, you most certainly will hear the truth about what happened that day.

So, who is left to arrive at the truth?  We know both the FBI and Secret Service are in full blown cover up mode.  And don't hold your breath for Congress to get at the answers.  They take a generation to decide anything, in time for their own retirement.

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Hawley: Secret Service Whistleblower Alleges Retaliation Against Those Voicing Trump Event Security Concerns

The Secret Service whistleblower alleged Acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe made cuts to personnel who could have helped prevent an assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump and that there was retaliation against those who expressed concerns about security at Trump events.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/02/hawley-secret-service-whistleblower-alleges-retaliation-against-those-voicing-concerns-about-inadequate-security-at-trump-events/
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« Reply #998 on: Friday, Aug 02, 2024 05:47 am »


https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1818717939954262049


Secret Service whistleblower makes stunning claim about director who replaced Kimberly Cheatle and says agents warned of problems for MONTHS before Trump's assassination attempt

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A Republican senator has received 'disturbing information' on Donald Trump's near assassination from a whistleblower alleging a major protocol was broken before the Butler, Pennsylvania, rally.

The latest allegation, from an anonymous whistleblower, contends that the Secret Service's Counter Surveillance Division (CSD) - the unit tasked with evaluating event sites in advance - was not present at the deadly rally and never performed a 'typical evaluation' before the event.

The anonymous whistleblower's complaint is one of several filed to Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley in recent weeks.

In addition, the source alleges that Secret Service Acting Director Ronald Rowe, the freshly minted agency chief after former boss Kimberly Cheatle resigned, is at fault for the huge oversight.

Rowe 'personally directed significant cuts to CSD,' the whistleblower says.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13700087/secret-service-whistleblower-trump-shooting-claims-agents-warned.html

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Hawley: Secret Service Whistleblower Alleges Retaliation Against Those Voicing Trump Event Security Concerns

The Secret Service whistleblower alleged Acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe made cuts to personnel who could have helped prevent an assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump and that there was retaliation against those who expressed concerns about security at Trump events.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/02/hawley-secret-service-whistleblower-alleges-retaliation-against-those-voicing-concerns-about-inadequate-security-at-trump-events/

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