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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #750 on: July 23, 2024, 10:16:28 pm »
Two Twitter posts from Sen. Chuck Grassley, with information his office has obtained from local law enforcement:


https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/1815875737435484582


https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/1815875286283538663

Edit: not sure why the second one isn't displaying, maybe because it is marked as "Sensitive Content".  It's video taken from the bodycam of one of the law enforcement officers on the roof, after the shooter was killed. Clicking the link should work, if you want to see it.
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« Reply #751 on: July 23, 2024, 11:03:56 pm »
Finally:


Ron Johnson reveals 8 shell casings were found near Trump would-be assassin's body

Hannah Nightingale  |  07/23/2024


Senator Ron Johnson revealed on Human Events Daily Tuesday eight shell casings were found near the body of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on July 13.

"We have spoken to two eyewitnesses and someone else who also has knowledge from the FBI that there were eight shell casings found near the dead body," Johnson told Jack Posobiec, noting that now former United Secret Service head Kimberley Cheatle would not answer that question in a hearing on Monday.

"Eyewitnesses have confirmed, two of them, that say there were eight shell casings, and another individual said that’s what the FBI reported as well."

In a press release following his appearance on the show, Johnson wrote, "On July 22, 2024, during testimony before the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, then-Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle, refused to answer questions about the number of shell casings found near the body of would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks."  .  .  .

https://www.humanevents.com/2024/07/23/breaking-ron-johnson-reveals-8-shell-casings-were-found-near-trump-would-be-assassins-body
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« Reply #752 on: July 24, 2024, 11:01:53 am »
Finally:


Ron Johnson reveals 8 shell casings were found near Trump would-be assassin's body

Hannah Nightingale  |  07/23/2024


Senator Ron Johnson revealed on Human Events Daily Tuesday eight shell casings were found near the body of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on July 13.

"We have spoken to two eyewitnesses and someone else who also has knowledge from the FBI that there were eight shell casings found near the dead body," Johnson told Jack Posobiec, noting that now former United Secret Service head Kimberley Cheatle would not answer that question in a hearing on Monday.

"Eyewitnesses have confirmed, two of them, that say there were eight shell casings, and another individual said that’s what the FBI reported as well."

In a press release following his appearance on the show, Johnson wrote, "On July 22, 2024, during testimony before the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, then-Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle, refused to answer questions about the number of shell casings found near the body of would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks."  .  .  .

https://www.humanevents.com/2024/07/23/breaking-ron-johnson-reveals-8-shell-casings-were-found-near-trump-would-be-assassins-body

And how many shell casing belonged to the shooter and how many belonged to someone else?
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« Reply #753 on: July 24, 2024, 01:00:39 pm »
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That may be it. But I can't help but just wonder how this 20-y/o with no apparent connections just happened to know security would be so utterly lax that day.

That is not it!!!  There are too many considerations in this assassination attempt that scream conspiracy to kill Donald Trump.  If all of you cannot see this event was clearly planned and executed to accomplish the death of Donald Trump, that there is no clear motive from a 20 year old wet behind the ears punk, and that there was what amounted to no security for a former POTUS and leading candidate for his party, what exactly does it take to wake you up?

Right now on TV, the House of Representatives committee is interviewing Director Christopher Wray, and he is every bit as clueless as the Director of the Secret Service.  Wray, an appointee of President Donald Trump, has  been a turd from day one.  He should have been fired long ago.  His bureau is investigating this assassination attempt, he he does not know the detail from the investigation his bureau is collecting on this event.  Pathetic!!!

Half his answers are evasive with his not possessing any knowledge.  The other half is just his outright not knowing details on anything.  If he is incapable of marshalling the information on such an important investigation, he should bring with him the resources or resources that CAN ANSWER questions. 

This dog and pony show that produces absolutely nothing, wasting the time of members of Congress has to end.  If he can't answer the questions, fire his dumb *ss and get someone in front of Congress that can answer questions.

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« Reply #754 on: July 24, 2024, 01:09:56 pm »
And I say there was NO SECURITY for this reason.  Half the buildings with clear line of sight to the platform and podium where Trump stood were not defended, leaving a 20 year old with clear access to fire EIGHT BULLETS at Trump before any effort was launched to stop the shooter.  An individual that was not a trained sniper, but a kid who went to a gun club and was target shooting once in awhile.

That wide open door inviting the inexperienced to kill a public figure in the USA clearly spells out one of two things.  Either Trump was intentionally setup for an assassination, or the Secret Service is grossly incompetent.  With the history of the Secret Service, they have not proven to be the latter.  This was a planned assassination, with someone in the detail, possibly the advance team, and perhaps directions from higher ups to make this assassination a done deal. 

And if the SS Sniper team was instructed to hold fire on an identified potential shooter, which the sniper team had eyes on, then that individual should be indicted as a co-conspirator to murder.  Perhaps if people get indicted for participating in this assassination attempt, we will get to the truth of what actually happened.  But these empty investigations will produce next to nothing.

Wray is a complete empty suit that heads up 38,000 empty suits.  I am tired of hearing about how great the FBI is, when we have the number of attacks on USA soil that they let slip through their fingers.  It is more than incompetence, it is INTENT!!!

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« Reply #755 on: July 24, 2024, 01:12:43 pm »
And I say there was NO SECURITY for this reason.  Half the buildings with clear line of sight to the platform and podium where Trump stood were not defended, leaving a 20 year old with clear access to fire EIGHT BULLETS at Trump before any effort was launched to stop the shooter.  An individual that was not a trained sniper, but a kid who went to a gun club and was target shooting once in awhile.

That wide open door inviting the inexperienced to kill a public figure in the USA clearly spells out one of two things.  Either Trump was intentionally setup for an assassination, or the Secret Service is grossly incompetent.  With the history of the Secret Service, they have not proven to be the latter.  This was a planned assassination, with someone in the detail, possibly the advance team, and perhaps directions from higher ups to make this assassination a done deal. 

And if the SS Sniper team was instructed to hold fire on an identified potential shooter, which the sniper team had eyes on, then that individual should be indicted as a co-conspirator to murder.  Perhaps if people get indicted for participating in this assassination attempt, we will get to the truth of what actually happened.  But these empty investigations will produce next to nothing.

Wray is a complete empty suit that heads up 38,000 empty suits.  I am tired of hearing about how great the FBI is, when we have the number of attacks on USA soil that they let slip through their fingers.  It is more than incompetence, it is INTENT!!!

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« Reply #756 on: July 24, 2024, 01:17:14 pm »
With whom was the shooter communicating using an encrypted messenger app?

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His handlers in Havana, Moscow, or Rehoboth Beach?
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #757 on: July 24, 2024, 01:18:39 pm »
Crooks sure was punching way above his weight for some nerdy, inexperienced 20 year old college student.
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« Reply #758 on: July 24, 2024, 01:58:14 pm »
And I say there was NO SECURITY for this reason.  Half the buildings with clear line of sight to the platform and podium where Trump stood were not defended, leaving a 20 year old with clear access to fire EIGHT BULLETS at Trump before any effort was launched to stop the shooter.  An individual that was not a trained sniper, but a kid who went to a gun club and was target shooting once in awhile.

That wide open door inviting the inexperienced to kill a public figure in the USA clearly spells out one of two things.  Either Trump was intentionally setup for an assassination, or the Secret Service is grossly incompetent.  With the history of the Secret Service, they have not proven to be the latter.  This was a planned assassination, with someone in the detail, possibly the advance team, and perhaps directions from higher ups to make this assassination a done deal. 

And if the SS Sniper team was instructed to hold fire on an identified potential shooter, which the sniper team had eyes on, then that individual should be indicted as a co-conspirator to murder.  Perhaps if people get indicted for participating in this assassination attempt, we will get to the truth of what actually happened.  But these empty investigations will produce next to nothing.

Wray is a complete empty suit that heads up 38,000 empty suits.  I am tired of hearing about how great the FBI is, when we have the number of attacks on USA soil that they let slip through their fingers.  It is more than incompetence, it is INTENT!!!

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I've been watching and reading everything I could find about this incident for more than 48 hours now and think I have some idea about what took place. If what I think took place is true, you'll see it only here so pay attention.

The people responsible for this set the young man up to be the patsy (hat tip @jafo2010 ) used him to make sure he drew all the attention while the actual pro was on the roof of the building just behind the one the kid was on wearing attire (rifle and all) that blended with the building. When the kid opened up, the pro took one shot (the one that nearly did the job). When the counter snipers opened up on he kid, the pro slid down from his perch, got in his car, and calmly drove away.

Call me anything you want but that's what I think and it fits the MO.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,536820.msg3045347.html#msg3045347

Since then I have heard or seen nothing that would cause me to alter that opinion in the slightest except to say that the pro may well have been in rather than on the building mentioned above..
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #759 on: July 24, 2024, 06:01:12 pm »
The CEO of Gab alleges they found an account that may have belonged to Thomas Crooks, the would-be assassin ...

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1816205628123058420


https://twitter.com/BasedTorba/status/1816189333432590715
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« Reply #760 on: July 24, 2024, 07:11:41 pm »
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🚨BOMBSHELL CONCLUSION: EITHER HE WASN’T THE REAL SHOOTER OR SOMEONE TAMPERED WITH THE EVIDENCE‼️

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How did the riffle get more than 10 feet away from Thomas Matthew Crooks with no trail of blood between it and his body? ⚠️

He was reportedly taken out by a bullet between the eyes almost immediately after his last shot was fired right? So they expect us to believe he left his gun there and army crawled sideways 10 feet with superhuman speed before getting shot?

It makes no sense to move in that fashion OR in that direction away from the ladder/woods! We also know he didn’t throw the gun afterwards because headshots like that are instantly fatal.

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« Reply #761 on: July 24, 2024, 07:33:05 pm »
@jafo2010 Back on page 3 of this thread I posted the following;

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,536820.msg3045347.html#msg3045347

Since then I have heard or seen nothing that would cause me to alter that opinion in the slightest except to say that the pro may well have been in rather than on the building mentioned above..

Didn't have to be on the roof, could have been inside, shooting from inside with a suppressed weapon through the open window (to contain the sound signature even more).
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« Reply #762 on: July 24, 2024, 07:54:58 pm »

How did the riffle get more than 10 feet away from Thomas Matthew Crooks with no trail of blood between it and his body? ⚠️

Because law enforcement officers always remove the weapon from the perp at a crime scene. Just in case he's not really dead you don't want him to have his weapon handy.

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« Reply #763 on: July 24, 2024, 09:39:53 pm »
Because law enforcement officers always remove the weapon from the perp at a crime scene. Just in case he's not really dead you don't want him to have his weapon handy.

That's what I think too.

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« Reply #764 on: July 24, 2024, 09:44:08 pm »
Did anyone ever confirm how many return fire shots were fired?
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« Reply #765 on: July 24, 2024, 09:56:00 pm »
That's what I think too.

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What's a mystery to me...the roof is sloped. Crooks' head is elevated with his feet lower on the slope.  Gravity dictates that he shouldn't have shed that 'river' of blood which appears to even drip over the edge to the ground.

Realize that head wounds/cuts bleed profusely, but that pertains to a beating heart still pumping.

Seems to defy the laws of gravity.   :shrug:
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« Reply #766 on: July 24, 2024, 10:30:52 pm »
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What's a mystery to me...the roof is sloped. Crooks' head is elevated with his feet lower on the slope.  Gravity dictates that he shouldn't have shed that 'river' of blood which appears to even drip over the edge to the ground.

Realize that head wounds/cuts bleed profusely, but that pertains to a beating heart still pumping.

Seems to defy the laws of gravity.   :shrug:

His head likely has a gaping hole in it. The brain stem controls the heart so his heart could have continued to pump blood for a short while, while otherwise being brain dead. Also, the entry wound would be on the front of his head. With him face down on the roof a good portion of his body is still higher than the entry wound on the shallow roof slope. So it could continue to drain for awhile.

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« Reply #767 on: July 24, 2024, 10:53:09 pm »
Until it is declared that officer such and such moved the weapon from the side of the body, I do not think it wise to assume anything.

News reports indicated Crooks fired eight shots.  EIGHT SHOTS!  EIGHT SHOTS!  EIGHT SHOTS!

What were these Secret Service sniper pukes doing on that roof?  I say either jerking each other off, or following orders to hold their fire until Trump is down. 


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Has anyone answered the question, does Trump have any of the same superior top notch Secret Service pukes STILL DEFENDING HIM?  Because all of them should be on suspension facing a hearing for their dismissal.  Please tell me none of these pukes are still actively protecting anyone?

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« Reply #768 on: July 24, 2024, 11:18:11 pm »
His head likely has a gaping hole in it. The brain stem controls the heart so his heart could have continued to pump blood for a short while, while otherwise being brain dead. Also, the entry wound would be on the front of his head. With him face down on the roof a good portion of his body is still higher than the entry wound on the shallow roof slope. So it could continue to drain for awhile.

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« Reply #769 on: July 24, 2024, 11:29:03 pm »
This body is a significant distance from the rifle.  Did this punk actually fire eight shots, or is he a patsy, and someone dropped eight shells on the deck of that roof?

Remember, Vince Foster, the Clinton lawyer who they declared committed suicide, the gun was laying 12 feet from his body.  Sure, that happened that way.  I am sure the FBI conducted that investigation too.

Nothing adds up here.  I still say he is a patsy.  The real shooter was at the water tower, and escaped without so much as a wink and a nod from his co-conspirators at the Secret Service.  It was a conspiracy.

You would think if a law enforcement officer moved the rifle, that would be one of the first things they would mention.

And if that is the case, the sniper has a job to finish to get paid.  If life is like the movies, he told his contractor he will complete the job.  Trump is at more risk today than he was the day of the attempt at Butler, PA. 

I still say, the Democommies will do anything to see to it that Trump does not return as 47.

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« Reply #771 on: July 25, 2024, 01:35:33 am »
God, Family and Guns says the gun used was 2013 DPMS Panther Arms A15 chambered in 556/223 made in Saint Cloud Minn.


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« Reply #772 on: July 25, 2024, 06:16:11 am »
Whistleblower reveals why Trump rally officer assigned to shooter’s perch moved
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I couldn’t believe how ‘close’ that shooter was to Trump: Sen Josh Hawley
Whistleblowers have told Republican Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley that a law enforcement officer who was assigned to monitor the roof of a building that would-be former President Trump assassin Thomas Crooks fired from on July 13 left their post because it was "too hot."

Crooks, 20, fired multiple rounds from the roof of American Glass Research (AGR) Building 6, which was outside the rally perimeter but had a direct line of sight to where the former president was standing on stage at his campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
 
"This comes from a whistleblower with direct knowledge of the Secret Service plan and setup that day," Hawley said. "And what this whistleblower tells my office is that there was at least one law enforcement person assigned to the roof itself. In other words, the plan called for a law enforcement individual to be on the roof at all times during the rally. And that did not happen. And what the whistleblower tells me is the law enforcement individual who was assigned to that roof abandoned it."

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #773 on: July 25, 2024, 07:48:22 am »
Crooks sure was punching way above his weight for some nerdy, inexperienced 20 year old college student.
He never even started college. He was a kitchen worker at an old folks home.
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« Reply #774 on: July 25, 2024, 08:19:12 am »
This wouldn't surprise me.  It's also such an egregious failure that I could see there would be efforts to cover it up.

But even if it is true, that doesn't let everyone else off the hook.  That unidentified law enforcement officer had a direct supervisor who almost certainly knew, or at a minimum should have known, that the post was abandoned.  There also should have been a Secret Service supervisor responsible for monitoring those kind of assignments.

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« Reply #775 on: July 25, 2024, 11:27:22 am »
He never even started college. He was a kitchen worker at an old folks home.

Thought I read somewhere where he as a student, kitchen workers usually aren't rolling in the dough to buy all the stuff he had with him, or have the time to put it all together.

So many unanswered holes in the narrative.
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« Reply #776 on: July 25, 2024, 11:44:02 am »
God, Family and Guns says the gun used was 2013 DPMS Panther Arms A15 chambered in 556/223 made in Saint Cloud Minn.


His calling the groups from this gun Big could have been 2 inch groups that would still be deadly at 130 yrs. What he called "Accurate" rifles were probably around half inch 100 yard groups.  It's anybody's idea what the hell he calls bad groups and accurate groups as he doesn't identify any sizes.

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« Reply #777 on: July 25, 2024, 01:47:45 pm »
His calling the groups from this gun Big could have been 2 inch groups that would still be deadly at 130 yrs. What he called "Accurate" rifles were probably around half inch 100 yard groups.  It's anybody's idea what the hell he calls bad groups and accurate groups as he doesn't identify any sizes.
Brandon Herrera and his group of experienced friends on their YouTube channel were saying that with the setup the kid had you would be looking at four inch groups at best at the 130 - 150 yard range.  It was a cheap and poor accurate  rifle,even when new and a  non magnified  red dot. Either the kid was extremely lucky  getting that close to Trump, or it was the second shooter and the kid was responsible for the spray of shots into the crowd only.

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« Reply #778 on: July 25, 2024, 02:06:59 pm »
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It was an Inside Job and we all know it.

Another Powerful Video From @DilleyMemeTeam

@DewsNewz
 fixed Trump's audio at the end and it's this audio that put Trump in the Deep State crosshairs.

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https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1816237778138718458

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #779 on: July 25, 2024, 02:15:33 pm »
Alex Jones
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It was an Inside Job and we all know it.

Another Powerful Video From @DilleyMemeTeam

@DewsNewz
 fixed Trump's audio at the end and it's this audio that put Trump in the Deep State crosshairs.

The Military Industrial Complex feeds off war and destruction, we must break this cycle and take humanity to the next level.


https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1816237778138718458
Oh, Alex Jones said that it was an inside job. Well, I guess that settles it.  :silly:
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« Reply #780 on: July 25, 2024, 02:18:14 pm »
I am not quite ready to start considering conspiracy theories around this attempt.  BUT.....  Each ongoing day our government remains silent and stonewalls, just throws gasoline on the fire.
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« Reply #781 on: July 25, 2024, 03:37:55 pm »
After watching the performance of the directors of both the Secret Service and the FBI before members of the House, the FACT that neither knew one answer to any question on perhaps the top investigation in 40 years, I would say the


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is so bad, that you would have had to have a lobotomy not to know this is clearly a conspiracy.  And combine that with the FACT that the Democommies are determined to keep Trump from becoming 47 by any means possible, and I think their actions are clear in that regard, then the conclusion that the order went out to kill Trump was in FACT executed.  What failed, and we will never know why, is what happened with the pro that I am certain was there in Butler.  The stage was set for a perfect assassination.  The kid was a patsy.  It is the classic scenario of executing this kind of kill.  The real shooter never wants to be seen or caught, so in a conspiracy, they setup a fool, a 20 year old dummy.

THE TRUTH WILL NEVER COME OUT.  PEOPLE TODAY ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JFK SHOOTING, AND DESPITE TRUMP HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVEAL THAT TRUTH, HE ELECTED TO COVER FOR WHAT I PRESUME WAS THE ROLE THE CIA, FBI, LBJ, AND WHO KNOWS WHO ELSE'S INVOLVEMENT IN JFK'S ASSASSINATION.  OSWALD WAS IN FACT A PATSY.  EVEN IF TRUMP BECOMES POTUS 47, WE WILL NOT HEAR THE TRUTH.  I DO NOT BELIEVE HIM FOR A NANOSECOND THAT HE WILL REVEAL ANYTHING.

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« Reply #782 on: July 25, 2024, 04:11:00 pm »
Thought I read somewhere where he as a student, kitchen workers usually aren't rolling in the dough to buy all the stuff he had with him, or have the time to put it all together.
So many unanswered holes in the narrative.
I read he was planning to enroll in Point Park University, downtown Pittsburgh, this fall. But from what I'd read, he hadn't yet attended college.

You're correct, his job in the kitchen at the nursing home probably paid $10-15 per hour or so - not rolling in dough, but if he was living with his parents, he probably didn't have many expenses. What I find interesting is how very modest and small his parents' house is. It's a solidly middle class neighborhood (I drive through it frequently, including last week), but some houses are nicer than others, and the Crooks house certainly wasn't one of the more attractive on that street.
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« Reply #783 on: July 25, 2024, 04:33:02 pm »
Secret Service refused police offer of drone before assassination attempt: Whistleblower
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Ashley Oliver
July 25, 2024 2:43 pm

The Secret Service declined an offer from local law enforcement to use drone technology at the rally where a gunman took shots at former President Donald Trump, an anonymous whistleblower told Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO).

Hawley revealed in a letter published Thursday to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas that the whistleblower said the Secret Service “repeatedly” objected to using a drone that was capable of identifying and neutralizing an active shooter.

The whistleblower said a local law enforcement partner made the drone offers to the Secret Service the night before the rally, according to Hawley. The whistleblower said that after the shooting occurred, the Secret Service “changed course” and asked local police to use drone technology to surveil the scene, Hawley wrote.

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« Reply #784 on: July 25, 2024, 04:34:46 pm »

Damning new Secret Service whistleblower claims about Trump shooting reveal staffing crisis, untrained agents - and the agency's woke 'nepo-hire' director's links to Jill Biden
By ISABELLE STANLEY FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 13:16 EDT, 20 July 2024 | UPDATED: 20:05 EDT, 20 July 2024
 
There was a surreal scene at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday as irate senior senators chased the embattled director of the U.S. Secret Service into a women's bathroom.

'You answer to us!'

'You can't hide from us!'
 
Senators Marsha Blackburn and John Barrasso shouted and pointed angrily - pursuing Secret Service director Kimberly A. Cheatle through the lobby of Milwaukee's Fiserv Forum and up a flight of stairs.

Cheatle, 53, flanked by her agents, scurried into the lavatory. Her staff held the door, blocking the livid lawmakers out.

'It is appalling that the Secret Service Director refused to answer our questions,' said Senator Blackburn after the incident.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13648845/secret-service-trump-shooting-kim-cheatle.html
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« Reply #785 on: July 25, 2024, 04:44:03 pm »
Oh, Alex Jones said that it was an inside job. Well, I guess that settles it.  :silly:
Do you know what a nutjob Jones is?

Jones is spot on in his broader observations about the bizarre number of anomolies at the Sandy Hook shooting when compared to other school shootings. It was definitely weird and the cultlike insistence of some people to deny said weirdness is also weird.
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« Reply #786 on: July 25, 2024, 05:02:32 pm »


New York Post
 
Trump gunman Thomas Crooks likely had a Gab account that he used to ‘support’ President Biden, site’s CEO says
Story by Isabel Keane • 6h •


The gunman who tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump appears to have used the controversial alt-right favored social media platform Gab to spread messages “in support of President Biden,” according to the platform’s founder.

Gab CEO Andrew Torba said he learned Wednesday that Thomas Matthew Crooks “may have had an account on our platform” after getting “an emergency disclosure request from a law enforcement agency.”

The account @epicmicrowave — which the CEO stressed he has been “unable to confirm” was definitely Crooks’ — “posted on the site nine (9) times total,” Torba tweeted just 30 minutes after getting the law enforcement request.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks-likely-had-a-gab-account-that-he-used-to-support-president-biden-site-s-ceo-says/ar-BB1qCHAx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=1467da83424540529344b23ca619a351&ei=22
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #788 on: July 25, 2024, 07:13:05 pm »
Just when you think it can't get worse, it does. It gets worse everyday.
BTW: Joe Biden and Jill Biden both scheduled events in Pennsylvania on the 13th coinciding with Trump's rally. This is an amazing coincident. And it led to shortages of security personnel in the area, almost like it was planned that way.
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« Reply #789 on: July 25, 2024, 07:55:32 pm »
Jones is spot on in his broader observations about the bizarre number of anomolies at the Sandy Hook shooting when compared to other school shootings. It was definitely weird and the cultlike insistence of some people to deny said weirdness is also weird.
Jones isn't spot on about anything. Sorry. He's a crank.

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« Reply #790 on: July 25, 2024, 08:49:01 pm »

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Christopher Wray was COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE and OUT OF LINE to question if President Trump was hit by a bullet. All this rhetoric does is feed the fire of ASSASSINATION DENIERS and IDIOTS like Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann!!

I examined the bullet wound hours after he was shot. It was ABSOLUTELY a bullet wound with ALL the hallmark signs that accompany a wound from a high-powered rifle. Not to mention, we ALL SAW IT with our own eyes!!

It’s because of IDIOTIC and POLITICALLY MOTIVATED statements like this, that we don’t have ANY confidence in the supposed #1 law enforcement agency in this country. We CAN’T TRUST THEM to run this investigation into the assassination attempt!!

INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, NOW!!
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« Reply #791 on: July 25, 2024, 09:06:34 pm »
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Christopher Wray was COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE and OUT OF LINE to question if President Trump was hit by a bullet. All this rhetoric does is feed the fire of ASSASSINATION DENIERS and IDIOTS like Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann!!

I examined the bullet wound hours after he was shot. It was ABSOLUTELY a bullet wound with ALL the hallmark signs that accompany a wound from a high-powered rifle. Not to mention, we ALL SAW IT with our own eyes!!

It’s because of IDIOTIC and POLITICALLY MOTIVATED statements like this, that we don’t have ANY confidence in the supposed #1 law enforcement agency in this country. We CAN’T TRUST THEM to run this investigation into the assassination attempt!!

INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, NOW!!

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« Reply #792 on: July 25, 2024, 09:41:44 pm »
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Christopher Wray was COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE and OUT OF LINE to question if President Trump was hit by a bullet. All this rhetoric does is feed the fire of ASSASSINATION DENIERS and IDIOTS like Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann!!

I examined the bullet wound hours after he was shot. It was ABSOLUTELY a bullet wound with ALL the hallmark signs that accompany a wound from a high-powered rifle. Not to mention, we ALL SAW IT with our own eyes!!

It’s because of IDIOTIC and POLITICALLY MOTIVATED statements like this, that we don’t have ANY confidence in the supposed #1 law enforcement agency in this country. We CAN’T TRUST THEM to run this investigation into the assassination attempt!!

INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, NOW!!


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« Reply #793 on: July 26, 2024, 08:51:13 am »
Are you ready for the truth about the Trump Assassination?

Look at this….

This could have been our generation's JFK. Thank God He protected Donald Trump.

https://conservativeus.com/this-drone-video-should-tell-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-what-theyre-not-telling-you-regarding-trumps-assassination-attempt/

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« Reply #794 on: July 26, 2024, 09:08:06 am »
Topics merged. Please post material about the events of July 13 here.

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« Reply #795 on: July 26, 2024, 11:20:24 am »
Trump shooting: The plan and the botched security

BBC by Graeme Baker 7/25/2024

Thomas Matthew Crooks walked into Donald Trump's election rally in Pennsylvania, unopposed with a gun, explosives and a rangefinder to measure distance to his target.

The aftermath of the 13 July shooting reveals a detailed plan hatched in the days before - and a series of security failings that allowed its execution.

Three congressional hearings were held this week with the head of the FBI, the Secret Service's director and Pennsylvania's state police chief.

Here is what those hearings have added to what is known about the attempt on Trump's life, what went wrong, and important unanswered questions.
The preparation

It is becoming clear that Crooks' attack was not the result of a last-minute meltdown: He had method, and purpose.

The FBI has said that 6 July appeared to be the inception date: Crooks registered to attend Trump's rally, and researched the assassination of President John F Kennedy, googling: "How far away was Oswald from Kennedy?"

"That's a search that's obviously significant in terms of his state of mind," Christopher Wray, the FBI's director, told the House Judiciary committee on Wednesday. He added that searches by Crooks then became "focused" on Trump.

He was working alone - the FBI say they do not think he received any help.

There was also reconnaissance. Mr Wray said Crooks was flying a drone about 200 yards (183m) from the stage two hours before Trump's rally.

Its camera ran for about 11 minutes, Mr Wray said, and the footage would have shown "a rear-view mirror of the scene" behind Crooks' eventual firing position.

Mr Wray said that Crooks had bought an AR-15-style rifle from his father, legally, although he did not say when. The gun had a collapsible stock, making it easier to conceal.

State police officers reported him using a rangefinder, a marksman's aid that measures distance to a target, as the rally got under way.

Crooks had also obtained explosives: two "crude" devices fitted with receivers were found in Crooks' car after the attack, Mr Wray said, and a transmitter was found on his body.

A bloodied receipt was also found on Crooks for a 5ft ladder, Mr Wray said - suggesting a recent buy. No ladder was found at the site, however, and Mr Wray said Crooks had used "mechanical equipment" to get to his perch - but did not elaborate.

And so Crooks turned up on the day with a concealable rifle, knowledge of previous assassinations, a rangefinder, two bombs, and detailed information on the layout of the area.

A plan in action

It should be impossible for a man to walk into a presidential rally with so much gear, let alone carry it up to an undefended roof with a direct line of sight to the stage. But this is exactly what happened in Butler.

Statements to the House Homeland Security committee by Pennsylvania's police commissioner, Christopher Paris, convey a series of lapses from law enforcement.

The venue had two layers of security - an outer area patrolled by state police and an inner perimeter manned by Secret Service agents, including an anti-sniper team on a roof behind the stage.

An operations centre was staffed by members of the various agencies present. But on the day, communication was haphazard and areas of responsibility unclear.

Mr Paris told his hearing that state police were responsible for the area around the AGR International warehouse, the building from which Crooks fired that was around 400ft (122m) from the stage with a clear line of sight.

He revealed his men had raised its risk in the days before the rally and were told by the Secret Service that it was a state police matter as it was in the outer area.

As a consequence, a local SWAT-style Emergency Services Unit (ESU) team was stationed inside the building complex, Mr Paris added.

The New York Times reported that the team was in fact two men who stayed inside because of the hot weather. The plan had been approved by the Secret Service, the newspaper's source said.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn38px7lyy0o

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« Reply #796 on: July 26, 2024, 12:12:13 pm »
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The FBI has said that 6 July appeared to be the inception date: Crooks registered to attend Trump's rally, and researched the assassination of President John F Kennedy, googling: "How far away was Oswald from Kennedy?"
Gee, it's amazing that this lone wolf, acting alone (we swear!), was able to accomplish so much in just one week.
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« Reply #797 on: July 26, 2024, 12:14:16 pm »
Gee, it's amazing that this lone wolf, acting alone (we swear!), was able to accomplish so much in just one week.
Well,just look at what all those officials and committees have done in just two weeks...
Sequestered info...
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Shuffled...
Got together on a narrative...
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« Reply #798 on: July 26, 2024, 12:37:40 pm »
Gee, it's amazing that this lone wolf, acting alone (we swear!), was able to accomplish so much in just one week.

Crooks was very smart and well organized. I suspect he was also suicidal where he went into this without any exit strategy. It's hard to stop or impede people like that and we've seen this repeatedly with Muslim jihadis like on 9/11 and etc.
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« Reply #799 on: July 26, 2024, 12:44:15 pm »
This USA Today article, published and updated before Assassination-Denialism became a Dem-Prog-MSM thing, has an annotated aerial pic of the area where the shooter, the stage, and the rally crowd were relative too each other, https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-what-happened/74399097007/ . It demonstrates several things:

1. Had the shooter been aiming at the rally crowd to produce mass casualties, Trump would not have been hit. At. All.

2. Had the shooter been aiming at the Trump supporters on stage, for ???? reason(s), Trump would not have been hit unless the shooter's aim was off by several yards.

3. Trump. Was. The. Target. Period. It was an assassination attempt.

4. Further, pictures in the slide-show here, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/criminologist-shooting-at-trump-rally-yet-another-reason-to-focus-on-assault-weapons/ar-BB1qCQhc , prove that while Trump did have two teleprompters, both were still intact after Trump was shot. Trump was not hit by shrapnel from anything close to him.
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