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American Rancher Has Advice To The Idaho Farmers Having Their Crops Destroyed By The Half A Million Acres Of Farmland Water Being Shutoff By The US Government

“Group up together and go open those valves up and guard them. — Go get your water. Turn it on. Keep guards on all the head gates and, take your water. That's your water”

“I've got the question here. I'd like some of you folks to answer it. It's about Idaho over there in Idaho. The, uh, so called authorities are threatening to shut the water off the potato growers and the grain growers and the and the people.

Hey., the way I understand it, that's your water right farmers, not theirs. They're stepping in. They're acting like they're they're in charge. Go get your grouped up. Group up together, and, uh, go open those valves up and guard them.

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I am surprised that Idaho's governor doesn't step in.

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Water rights are a crazy mess in most of the country.

We can use the water from a nearby creek where we have rights, we can use the wells in our pasture, we can't impound water from the nearby river, and the weirdest thing is the water from our hot spring can be used for heating and the pool but it has to end up in the river. Which is weird because it's useless for anything else but heating and swimming.

But someone a long time ago claimed the water so we have to let it flow to the river.
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All the reservoirs from Jackson on down to American Falls are full. The current cfs here in the Snake river is 17,000 cfs. (over three times normal flow) .  Most of that storage is owned by parties further down river than the most affected by the curtailment.
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Will 500,000 acres of Idaho farmland lose access to water?

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2024/06/will-500000-acres-of-idaho-farmland-lose-access-to-water/

I've read the article twice now and it's clear to me that it's the Idaho Department of Water Resources that issued the curtailment order not the federal government as the lead article says. What did I miss? @bigheadfred
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I've read the article twice now and it's clear to me that it's the Idaho Department of Water Resources that issued the curtailment order not the federal government as the lead article says. What did I miss? @bigheadfred

I don't think you missed anything.  It is an issue that has been going on for years.
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Looks like Idaho state water regulators run amuck.  Looks  like some bureaucrats unilaterally changed the meaning of "compliance".

They were panicking over lower (future) projections, and not rationally evaluating the currebt situation on the ground.

NOAA does this crap with local fishermen.  The minimum size for a striped bass keeper is smaller for commerical fishermen and larger for recreational fishermen.  It's nonsense.  Larger, monied interests lobby regulators to favor them.  That's how rules, regulations, compliance, and enforcement screws smaller interests for larger ones.

https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/solutions-in-sight-for-groundwater-curtailment-order-after-800-people-attend-local-meeting/article_80f3c106-29d1-11ef-9d52-2fde4036236c.html

Solutions in sight for groundwater curtailment order after 800 people attend local meeting

JAN NEISH For the Journal Jun 13, 2024


... When the aquifer levels dropped in 2021, Magic Valley’s Surface Water Coalition (SWC) and IDWR got nervous and started demanding groundwater users to restore the aquifer or they would do it by restricting pumping from the aquifer until the senior water right owners had their shares.

They also decided that you can’t average aquifer levels. The aquifer needed to be at 240,000 every year, because that is what is used each year.

But it didn’t stop there. IDWR decided that the groundwater users would need to now supply 12,000 acre feet more each year, cumulatively, to bring the aquifer up to the 1991-2001 levels. This mandate means that in 2024 it would be 252,000 acre feet to restore instead of 240,000 acre feet and in 2025 it would be 264,000 acre feet, and in 2026, 276,000 acre feet. ...
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I don't think you missed anything.  It is an issue that has been going on for years.

I understand that. I just don't get the US Government reference in the lead article.  How is the FEDGOV involved?
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I understand that. I just don't get the US Government reference in the lead article.  How is the FEDGOV involved?

As far as I can tell the Feds aren't involved and it is an assumption being made by this @wallstreetapes.  :shrug:
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As far as I can tell the Feds aren't involved and it is an assumption being made by this @wallstreetapes.  :shrug:

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Active efforts being made to make starvation and food shortages of these times has been often and active enough.  Bird flu, swine flu, co-vid flu, dumping of massive amounts of food to go to waste and force food prices high.  The war on the food supply is active enough and heavily targeted, even down to personal gardening and fertilizer prices hikes.  Even grocer prices and restaurant prices.
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I no longer believe in coincidence.

Cutting  water from on 500,000 acres of farmland in Idaho was fishy from the start but somehow it all makes sense now.

Your country is run by corrupt politicians who hate you.

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Edit: same vid as above, different source. That's good. It means people are paying attention.

Apparently this connected to cobalt mining...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8U6KrMJszZ/?igsh=Zm52Z2J2MXAyNnJj
« Last Edit: June 18, 2024, 02:33:58 pm by MeganC »
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I was involved in an industrial-agricultural-municpality water use consortium. 

At least when I was involved, there were very carefully defined parameters that were formultated and enforced by the XXXA. (River segment-authority).  Water use intake was highly priotritzed and cutbacks invoked when needed.

No controversy, since everyone should know the rules at the onset.    And why I am puzzled by this article. 
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I have not been able to find independent sources for cobalt mining being directly related to the Eastern Idaho groundwater curtailment.
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I have been researching this. I believe this cobalt mining claim is misinformation. This curtailment issue has been going on for a long time. I have think they need to be better at recharging the aquifer during good water years.
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I have not been able to find independent sources for cobalt mining being directly related to the Eastern Idaho groundwater curtailment.

That's right.
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I Hope This Makes The Idaho Water Shutoff To Farmers Real For People

🚨 Idaho is fining Farmers $300 PER ACRE for using water

Farmers are already declaring bankruptcy

Here are 2 farmers from eastern Idaho who have just received their water shutoff orders

“We just got our curtailment letter from the Idaho Department of Water Resources and they're telling us we have to shut our eight wells off.”

“Shut our water off?”

— “They want us to shut our water off. — They want us to turn our wells off.”

“The reservoirs are full, yet we're being told we cannot water 500,000 acres of crops”

“Thing. If you decide that you're just gonna keep watering, they're going to fine you $300 per acre. Well, if you're just growing a crop like hay, it doesn't make $300 an acre. You're just gonna lose money on that.”

“you look on the curtailment paper it's not just farmers it's commercial businesses.”

They give lots of details about the water shutoff order (see video)

They talk about more locations being effected and what the result of that will be:

— “They want to shut off just in Bingham County. So Bingham County grows more potatoes than any other county in the state and just in Bingham County there's $1.3 ish billion dollars spent in the county. And if that water was curtailed, it would reduce the amount of money spent in the county by three to $400 million.

So you wouldn't just be putting out, you wouldn't just be putting farmers out of business, you'd be putting people who deliver gas out of business, people who sell groceries, you'd be putting all the equipment people out of business, the repair, the repair men, the service men.

We just had people coming out, working on our pivots and stuff. You'd be putting all those guys out of business, which would hurt everyone”

“Trucking companies would go out of business. Yep. You have a lot of guys who have storages for potatoes. All those guys, they would no longer be getting rent for their potatoes. It would just devastate the entire Idaho economy.”

“There's already guys, there's already local farmers who've shut their wells off and their fields have already dried up because of this curtailment order and they're going to be out millions of dollars they're going to end up declaring bankruptcy and if the farmers declare bankruptcy the banks that finance the farmers are going to declare bankruptcy and then the whole economy is just shot. It's literally going to destroy the Idaho economy.”

“We gotta get this thing spreading like wildfire to make sure everybody knows about this. Because like it or not, it's gonna affect everybody.”

There is so much information in this video and I highly recommend taking the time to watch it

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On the ground report

Groundwater users avoid curtailment after reaching temporary settlement, but it isn’t over yet

IDAHO FALLS – A temporary agreement in the water curtailment discussion has been reached and has been submitted to the Idaho Department of Water Resources.

The settlement will allow groundwater users in Bingham, Bonneville, Jefferson and Clark counties to get through the growing season without having the water shut off, according to a news release from Idaho Ground Water Appropriators. The settlement involves a groundwater mitigation agreement that has been submitted to the department for final approval. Once the board signs it, the curtailment order issued on May 30 for nine groundwater districts throughout the state will be lifted.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2024/06/groundwater-users-avoid-curtailment-after-reaching-temporary-settlement-but-it-isnt-over-yet/
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Doncha worry, anything the democrats of Joe Biden does HAS TO BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING TRUMP DID OR WOULD DO, last Presidential election, REMEMBER?

The worst thing that can happen to damn fools is let them have or get their ways.  Ergo last Presidential election manipulating fools and damn fools, some not even embarrassed yet!

Stand proud, after all YOU GOT YOUR WAY, so now we all suffer from it.
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Doncha worry, anything nthe d3mocrats of Joe Biden does HAS TO BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING TRUMP DID OR WOULD DO, last Presidential election.

The worst thing that can happen to damn fools is let them have or get their ways.  Ergo last Presidential election manipulating fools and damn fools, some not even embarrassed yet!

Stand proud, after all YOU GOT YOUR WAY, so now we all suffer from it.

Well there's a piss-poor argument. Or rather piss-pour (if you know, you know)

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i DIDN'T MENTION YOUR NAME rOAMER!  hAVE YOU RECOVERED FROM YOUR amnesia yet?
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i DIDN'T MENTION YOUR NAME rOAMER!  hAVE YOU RECOVERED FROM YOUR amnesia yet?

It's an open forum. Do you understand how that works?