Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours

[Hoodat]

Not if they're cutting trees down, they don't.

I'm starting to see electric chain saws carried in UTVs and on 4wheelers because they are light. But you ain't gonna get through a proper tree felled across the road with that... which is why there are still 40/50 cc saws with a 2ft bar in the back of every pickup that goes up in the bush. And an actual sawyer would laugh in your face.

We're still not clear on whether that was said by the current Stihl CEO or the one they just let go.  @banddag hasn't clarified that one yet.

[roamer_1]

I am seriously looking at the 2025/2026 Toyota EV's.  600 mile range and  10 minute charging according to Toyota.

Not in mountain country. And certainly not below zero. My sis owns a hybrid Yoda, and it is quite literally running on the ICE engine all winter long.

[roamer_1]

I drove a Tesla and it gives a tremendous ride/torque/response, quietness. Once you drive one you will understand why they will take over ICE cars
SO yes I am looking at the new Toyota EV's when they come out later this year or early next.

Nah. You've never been in a quarter mile car or a drag rail, have you? And this coming from a guy who actually worked on an electric mini-drag rail, back in the day.

And I am perfectly happy to admit the superior torque that comes from an electric motor. That ain't the only consideration.

And I hope you have the money... because that EV will be worth nothing in a few years when the battery goes out of it.

[roamer_1]

The amount of cobalt used in EV's is minuscule to the amount used in all the electronic goods and industry out there.

Still, the amount of cobalt available is not enough to turn merely England all-electric.  *Just England*

[DCPatriot]

Nah. You've never been in a quarter mile car or a drag rail, have you? And this coming from a guy who actually worked on an electric mini-drag rail, back in the day.

And I am perfectly happy to admit the superior torque that comes from an electric motor. That ain't the only consideration.

And I hope you have the money... because that EV will be worth nothing in a few years when the battery goes out of it.

LOL!  You mean like a big-screen projection TV?  Or a Commodore 64 computer?  Or an IBM 087 sorter?  Or a rotary wall telephone with a hand-crank?

How about a steam locomotive?  I'm sure Conestoga Wagon factory workers used the same argument back in the day.

[roamer_1]

LOL!  You mean like a big-screen projection TV?  Or a Commodore 64 computer?  Or an IBM 087 sorter?  Or a rotary wall telephone with a hand-crank?

No, I mean Racing. Even hopping lights and Outlaw 1/4 mile. The REAL THING, even on the street.

[DCPatriot]

No, I mean Racing. Even hopping lights and Outlaw 1/4 mile. The REAL THING, even on the street.

Didn't we just read that Musk has a concept vehicle that can go 0-60 in 1 second?   

I'm not an advocate of today's EVs...unless you live in a tropical climate and use it expressly as an errand vehicle around town.   

[Hoodat]

I seriously want a blue state to mandate 100% EV.  The world hasn't had that much of a visual contrast between right and wrong since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

[DB]

Didn't we just read that Musk has a concept vehicle that can go 0-60 in 1 second?   

I'm not an advocate of today's EVs...unless you live in a tropical climate and use it expressly as an errand vehicle around town.   

That's about 2.735 Gs... So if you weigh 200 lbs, you'd be pressed back into the seat with a force of about 550 lbs...

[DCPatriot]

That's about 2.735 Gs... So if you weigh 200 lbs, you'd be pressed back into the seat with a force of about 550 lbs...

Yikes!

yeah...that's not gonna work unless you're using "Element 115".   

[roamer_1]

Didn't we just read that Musk has a concept vehicle that can go 0-60 in 1 second?   

I'm not an advocate of today's EVs...unless you live in a tropical climate and use it expressly as an errand vehicle around town.   

We read a lot of things.

Here's the bar: Outrun a police chopper and get away with it. That's what a hellcat can do, slammed to the wood.

I don't give a single sh*t about anything but merit. Them that can brag, let em.

When it's real -REALLY real - People will flock to it without subsidy, just like the construction industry and mechanical industry moved to batt tools. No bullshit. No hype. They're better day-to-day.

But even in that, .when the chips are all down and the batt driven tool won't do, Out comes old-school pneumatics or corded tools to kick their ass.

[DB]

Toyota offers no such range for 2025'2026.  Perhaps you should go back and reread that 2023 article that happened to be the first one that popped up in your Google search.  Oh, and those cars will use lithium-ion batteries.  Maybe you should get your facts straight before posting.  Because your failure to do so makes you come across as a complete fool.

And the solid state battery isn't available. They say they'll have one by 2027...

And then there's this: https://carbuzz.com/catl-largest-battery-maker-calls-solid-state-batteries-unsafe/?utm_source=syndication

[DB]

We read a lot of things.

Here's the bar: Outrun a police chopper and get away with it. That's what a hellcat can do, slammed to the wood.

I don't give a single sh*t about anything but merit. Them that can brag, let em.

When it's real -REALLY real - People will flock to it without subsidy, just like the construction industry and mechanical industry moved to batt tools. No bullshit. No hype. They're better day-to-day.

But even in that, .when the chips are all down and the batt driven tool won't do, Out comes old-school pneumatics or corded tools to kick their ass.

The Tesla Roadster already does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. The next generation one is supposed to be 1.1 seconds. It probably can't do it many times before requiring a recharge...

[roamer_1]

The Tesla Roadster already does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. The next generation one is supposed to be 1.1 seconds. It probably can't do it many times before requiring a recharge...

Yeah... So it's good at hopping lights and impressing the girls. 

Take it out to the North Fork Nationals for a run... Dead of night... sixty miles away from plugging into anything... With what might be a need to duck off into the woods for hours and hours of back road Dukes of Hazzard shit if the cops show up...

Take it out there... 

[libertybele]

For what it's worth I have a friend who's son and sister have Teslas.  They have had them for a little less than a year and both of them have had problems.  They are expensive and impress others who are impressed by cars.

I wouldn't drive one if it was given to me. Cost of insurance, batteries,  and lack of reliability -- just not interested, not to mention rainy season and dodging tropical storms and hurricanes.

[banddag]

Toyota offers no such range for 2025'2026.  Perhaps you should go back and reread that 2023 article that happened to be the first one that popped up in your Google search.  Oh, and those cars will use lithium-ion batteries.  Maybe you should get your facts straight before posting.  Because your failure to do so makes you come across as a complete fool.

Oh sue me for Toyota changing their timeline from 2 or 3 years ago. Here is the  latest from Toyota . 2026  6 new ev's, lithium 500 mile range, 20 or 30 minute fast charging depending on the model
2027/28 Solid State 750 mile range, 10 minute charging.

The fact is ev's are getting better every year, longer range, prices coming down and most companies other than Tesla are going to solid state eventually.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a45189317/toyota-solid-state-battery-timeline/

[banddag]

You do realize that "Africa" is a continent, not a country, right?  On second thought, maybe you don't.

Again, tired, it was late and I have getting it from multiple posters and on my phone.

The Republic of Congo knows they have a problem. In 2022 they started the first reforms to stop the practice of child mining but it is difficult to enforce. International co's such as Samsung are also under fire for buying the cobalt and they are putting pressure on the Congo to stop the practice.  China said they are putting pressure on Congo because the world is going after them.

The point is you use items every day made from cobalt from Congo but only bash the ev's.

[banddag]

because that EV will be worth nothing in a few years when the battery goes out of it.

Numerous companies such as Green Bean battery company are popping  up to rehab old batteries and resell them for a 1/4 of the cost of new.  The free market is taking care of the battery problems.
I believe this is how Interstate battery company was started-rehabbing used batteries but it's been a while.

[Wingnut]

The Tesla Roadster already does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. The next generation one is supposed to be 1.1 seconds. It probably can't do it many times before requiring a recharge...

I'm in a hurry but I don't why.
My EV goes from zero to 60 in 2.0
I hear a voice
That say's I'm running behind
Saving the planet is a race
I better pick up my pace
And there ain't no room
For someone in second place.

[banddag]

  For example, the cobalt used in my iPhone is predominantly from recycled sources.  The same cannot be said for your EV.

Only half of Teslas now use cobalt. The EV industry is getting away from Lithium and cobalt and or only using minimum amounts through innovation.

[Wingnut]

Only half of Teslas now use cobalt. The EV industry is getting away from Lithium and cobalt and or only using minimum amounts through innovation.

Yo ticturd.  You know what is innovative?   Let the market sort it out.  Take your EV shill ass out of here.  No one is buying what you are selling. 

[roamer_1]

Numerous companies such as Green Bean battery company are popping  up to rehab old batteries and resell them for a 1/4 of the cost of new.  The free market is taking care of the battery problems.
I believe this is how Interstate battery company was started-rehabbing used batteries but it's been a while.

I am well aware. I have rebuilt two personally. Still even at that it was fifteen hundred bucks in parts and the expertise to try.

But then I DO buy/sell. It's my thing to buy busted sh*t and fix it to sell it for a profit.
And I can tell you right now that a EV that needs a battery will be worth nothing. Worse than a minivan that needs a transmission.

[banddag]

ICEs didn't require any subsidies to effectively make horse-and-buggy obsolete within years, despite the fact that prior to the introduction of the Ford Model T there were few paved roads and few gas stations.

We live in a global economy and US companies will move in a heartbeat to another country with cheaper labor.   China and S. Korea and now Vietnam heavily subsidizes their EV industry. Way more than what we do. If we do not subsidize our home grown EV industry these countries  will become the leaders and we will have to buy the technology and products from them.

Same argument from  the isolationist today. "Our Founding  fathers said to keep out of foreign entanglements"  Well George and crew did not have to deal with intercontinental ballistic missiles, cyber attacks from  3500 miles  away from rogue nations.

[roamer_1]

We live in a global economy [...]
Same argument from  the isolationist today. "Our Founding  fathers said to keep out of foreign entanglements"  Well George and crew did not have to deal with intercontinental ballistic missiles, cyber attacks from  3500 miles  away from rogue nations.

That is somehow a call to submit to globalism? Not by a long, long shot.
Foreign entanglements indeed. Ol George was a prophet.

[Bigun]

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