Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out

[roamer_1]

@Hoodat

No,you "purists" are the ones that are voting for Democratic-Lite AS WELL AS Democratic "full-strength" when you refuse to vote to oppose it.

So do your little "superiority dances" in you home in front of your mothers,because they will be the only ones that will appreciate it if the left continues to hold the WH come the next election.

You might want to try holding your breath until you turn blue and stamping your little feets in anger,while you are at it.

And so comes the 'purist' epithet. As if we haven't heard that before.

It's a Conservative site @sneakypete
Defend your boy according to Conservative principles.
I'll save you the time - You can't.

So you throw bullshit.

We are here to defend Conservatism. That hardly means voting for the opposite of it.

[sneakypete]

Here's an excellent lesson in how to win people over. It's from the chapter titled "What Not to Do."  Apparently y'all just can't help yourselves. 

@AllThatJazzZ

Sometimes I think they are just in love with  doing their little "holier than thou/superiority dances in front of their fireplaces.

[libertybele]

Apple pie with ice cream and caramel sauce is now being served in the Lounge. 

[sneakypete]

Awww geez....you both should get a room!   

@DCPatriot

No kidding!

Some people take agreeing with someone else to the point where it is almost like they are becoming a groupie.

[Hoodat]

No,you "purists" are the ones that are voting for Democratic-Lite AS WELL AS Democratic "full-strength" when you refuse to vote to oppose it.

I tell you what, @sneakypete .  Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate.  Deal?

[roamer_1]

I tell you what, @sneakypete .  Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate.  Deal?

Uh-oh... That ain't Tumpy I'd bet.... 

[sneakypete]

And so comes the 'purist' epithet. As if we haven't heard that before.

It's a Conservative site @sneakypete
Defend your boy according to Conservative principles.
I'll save you the time - You can't.

So you throw bullshit.

We are here to defend Conservatism. That hardly means voting for the opposite of it.

@roamer_1

Horse Hillary!

You are here to do your little "superiority dances" and play  "Holier than thou" because it gives you wood.

Guess what,Bubba,politics is the art of compromise. This ain't  no secret,so why don't you and  your cult understand this if you are so freaking smart?

America is a nation of free people,not cogs in a machine. This means that SOME compromise is almost always necessary in order to get things done.

MOST people learn this by the time they are in the 5th grade.

[sneakypete]

I tell you what, @sneakypete .  Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate.  Deal?

@Hoodat

Same old tired BS over and over.

Don't you know any other songs?

BTW,I hate to break  it to  you,but politics is about more than a budget. Politics is DEFINED as "the art of compromise". If you  have a politician that can compromise on the smaller things and "win" on the more important things,you have a winner.

You don't give a damn about that OR the survival of America,though. All you and your cult REALLY care about is not having to pay taxes.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Horse Hillary!

You are here to do your little "superiority dances" and play  "Holier than thou" because it gives you wood.

No, @sneakypete , I am standing directly on principle, which I have given reason to, all the way along.

Guess what,Bubba,politics is the art of compromise. This ain't  no secret,so why don't you and  your cult understand this if you are so freaking smart?

America is a nation of free people,not cogs in a machine. This means that SOME compromise is almost always necessary in order to get things done.

MOST people learn this by the time they are in the 5th grade.

There is plenty of room for compromise once the basic unmovable principles of Conservatives are met.

'Unmovable' for a purpose. These are the things that brought together the coalition.
Those are the things we agreed to fight for.

You are not asking for compromise with a candidate that will basically do no harm.
You are asking for total capitulation.

Not gonna happen.

[Right_in_Virginia]

 Orange man is not popular with Conservatives...

Who *is* popular with "conservatives"?

[roamer_1]

This is why I parted ways with toothless Republicans.

[sneakypete]

...

And there it is. See? You don't give a shit about Conservatism. Never have never will. That's why it s so easy for you (y'all) to slip that phony 'conservative mantle' on your boy... you know, the one y'all bought downtown off that little Vietnamese dude selling purses on the street corner, and figger that's all you need. Spout some 'Murica' platitudes, call on the ghost of Patrick Henry, and figger everybody's just gonna fall right in line and come on along.

@roamer_1

You are more full of BullBush than a Christmas Turkey.

I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* have NEVER claimed that Trump was a fiscal conservative. I have,and will CONTINUE to claim he is a HELL of a lot more conservative than any  Dim he will be running against,so by refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate running,you choose to go home and hide in a closet and do your little superiority while "Rome burns".

The truth is,you and the other cretins who agree with you aren't superior to anyone,least of all anyone wanting to vote for the ONLY candidate that will be in a position to run against whatever globalist runs as a Dim.

The DNC wants to destroy America,and will do so if they win the next election,but you don't give a squat about America,all you care about is YOU.

 

Bullshit. I fear Tumpy's jack-booted thugs just as much as I fear any . It was HE that shut down the country. HE shut my bank off. I had *NO MONEY* for three damn months, and you expect me to vote for MORE OF THAT? You must be smokin crack.

"Me,me,me,ME,IT'S ALL ABOUT ME,DAMMIT,and to hell with everyone else and the country!"

It really is funny. You come storming on here - Both of you... All three of you, and offer absolutely nothing in argument. Not  single one.

There IS no valid argument against selfish,self-centered, and  stupid.

You KNOW what we're saying is true. You have no defense against it.

ROFLMAO!

So instead of offering reason you come bringing epithets and accusations. *NOTHING MORE*
You have already lost the argument, because you offer nothing. You cannot defend your position on Conservative grounds so you may as well just walk off. You've already shown, over and over, you've got nothin.

Bullcrap. I have even DEFENDED him on occasion - I DEFENDED his initial position on covid, till he folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair... And YES, BTW, I would have him answer for the millions of deaths caused by outlawing antivirals. That was an evil as grim as any ever conceived. And he went along with it.

Blah,blah,blah.

[sneakypete]

Believe me... I stand close to Patrick Henry. I am the one not willing to move.

@roamer_1

Of course you do!

Everybody knows that Patrick Henry was a self-centered surrender monkey who would just go hide at home and sulk if he didn't get everything he wanted,right?

[LMAO]

@Hoodat

Same old tired BS over and over.

Don't you know any other songs?

BTW,I hate to break  it to  you,but politics is about more than a budget. Politics is DEFINED as "the art of compromise". If you  have a politician that can compromise on the smaller things and "win" on the more important things,you have a winner.

You don't give a damn about that OR the survival of America,though. All you and your cult REALLY care about is not having to pay taxes.

@sneakypete

It’s painfully obvious that you have no grasp of economics

Every taxpayer owes the federal government roughly $260,000. They are not going to get enough money to cover the spending through taxation without harming the economy.  So the federal government has to print and borrow to cover the massive deficits. The interest on the debt is just about equal to what we spend on our military.

That has a negative impact on the long-term health of the economy and the standard living of the American people.

When it comes to the economy, both Biden and Trump are not that far apart. Trump is better on the regulatory front than Biden. But then he wants protectionist tariffs that would offset that

There is a narrow window of where I could change my mind on voting  for Trump. And I have outlined it here.

But if you disagree that maintaining debt to GDP ratio of well over 100% isn’t a big deal and that we can print the money we need with no ill effect, by all means, tell us why

[Right_in_Virginia]

We are here to defend Conservatism.

And yet, unless someone has a big, bright "C" emblazoned on his or her lapel, you're unable to recognize a conservative. 

[sneakypete]

Patrick Henry and @roamer_1 are on the same side.

Both choose freedom over slavery.

@Hoodat

That must be why you are willing to allow Biden to get re-elected,right?

Biden just seems like the kind of guy that Patrick Henry  would pal around with,huh?

I don't see Patrick Henry cowering from opposing big government with massive deficits and overt socialism because he's afraid it might cost him votes.

Yet that is EXACTLY what you want Trump to do,or you wouldn't be so mad about him being the Republican nominee.

Contrast that with the Trump zealots who can't even bring themselves to support a Conservative House Speaker or Senate Majority Leader because their king doesn't want it.  Zealots who ridicule the concept of a balanced budget because people might get offended.  Zealots who champion the slavery of massive debt with its obligatory interest extortion from future generations.

Translation: "Ahma skeered sumbody iz a gonna make me pay  sum taxes!"

Patrick Henry slap Roamer?  On the contrary, Henry would extend his hand and congratulate him on his refusal to compromise with evil.

THAT,right there is sum funny stuff!

Patrick Henry would run home and hide in the woods if he didn't get everything he wanted?

ROFLMAO!

[libertybele]

Who *is* popular with "conservatives"?

Good question as there are very few elected officials that I would call conservative.

It makes no difference as Trump is the presumptive nominee.  Obviously he is popular enough to win against DeSantis and Haley. Whether or not he is more popular than Biden or will get enough EV remains to be seen (what happens at the ballot box is anyone's guess).

So -- vote Trump, vote down ballot, vote 3rd party, vote DEM or abstain.  Popular or not, those are our choices.

Everyone needs to vote their conscience.

A couple of questions --

Who will take us in a better direction at least for the short term -- Biden or Trump??

Are you better off now under Biden or were you better off under Trump??

If the DEMS  continue their stranglehold, do you think there is time afterwards to insert a conservative president?

Do you think any of the answers to the above questions is going to make a difference at this point in time?

[Lando Lincoln]

I’ve been reading a bit about Patrick Henry (okay… Wikipedia).  He was famous for his political oratory but little record exists because he reduced little to writing (unlike many of his contemporaries).  Interestingly, he was instrumental in the adoption of the Bill of Rights. When Jefferson sent him a copy of the Constitution, Henry was steadfastly opposed to its adoption because it did not provide adequately for personal liberty, writing:

Will the abandonment of your most sacred rights tend the security of your liberty? Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings—give us that precious jewel and you may take everything else. But I fear I have lived long enough to become an old-fashioned fellow. Perhaps an invincible attachment to the dearest rights of man may, in these refined, enlightened days, be deemed old-fashioned: if so, I am contented to be so.

Quite a guy.

[sneakypete]

All because we dare oppose liberal policies. 

@Hoodat

No,you're not. You oppose liberal polities by voting for the least liberal candidate,not running home and hiding in the bathroom and holding your breath until you turn  blue if you don't get everything you want.

Got news for you bubba,NOBODY gets everything they want in a democracy.

What YOU and your cohorts seem to want is a police state on the right that doesn't charge YOU taxes,yet still seems to have the money to build roads,provide electricity,police,fire departments,an effective military,etc,etc,etc,and all it for FREE!

[LMAO]

The last figure I saw, if I recall, was that if the federal government confiscated 100% from every millionaire and billionaire in this country, they would get roughly $3 trillion

Biden’s latest spending plan spends 7.3 trillion. Whenever I see somebody claim that the reason people want budget cuts is because they don’t want to pay taxes, they are displaying their ignorance on the subject in spades

[sneakypete]

And so comes the 'purist' epithet. As if we haven't heard that before.

It's a Conservative site @sneakypete

Defend your boy according to Conservative principles.

I'll save you the time - You can't.

So you throw bullshit.

We are here to defend Conservatism. That hardly means voting for the opposite of it.

@roamer_1

I have over and over,but you are just too self-centered and selfish to understand it.

THE "Number One Rule" of politics is "You have to win or you can't do ANYTHING".

This means voting for the most conservative candidate,not going home and huddling in your shack if you don't get to vote for  perfection.

As a wise man  once noted,"The search for perfection is the enemy of the search  for good".

Guess what,bubba? You are those who agree with you are helping destroy America by  sitting at home and letting the DNC steal another election.

AND......,when this happens,I do NOT want to see or hear one single minute of your whining about anything they say or do.

[Hoodat]

BTW,I hate to break  it to  you,but politics is about more than a budget. Politics is DEFINED as "the art of compromise". If you  have a politician that can compromise on the smaller things and "win" on the more important things,you have a winner.

The size (and overreach) of government isn't a smaller thing.  It is the most important thing of all.  It alone fixes everything else.  It breaks the back of every single thing you oppose.

You don't give a damn about that OR the survival of America,though.

America won't survive its current spending addiction.

All you and your cult REALLY care about is not having to pay taxes.

Show me any post I have made where I said that.  I believe everyone should pay taxes.  Everyone.  The problem now is that a majority do not.  Taxes aren't something I have a problem with.  My problem is when government steals value away from me by devaluing what I already have, all so that they can get Democrats elected.  And for some bizarre reason, you are OK with that.

[sneakypete]

I tell you what, @sneakypete .  Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate.  Deal?

@Hoodat

Same old tired ranting about a subject that is already a done deal.

America is about more than you OR your budget,bubba.

Defend her or quit your whining.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You are more full of BullBush than a Christmas Turkey.

I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* have NEVER claimed that Trump was a fiscal conservative. I have,and will CONTINUE to claim he is a HELL of a lot more conservative than any  Dim he will be running against,so by refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate running,you choose to go home and hide in a closet and do your little superiority while "Rome burns".

NO, HE IS NOT.
By every conservative metric the difference is not enough to worry about.

The truth is,you and the other cretins who agree with you aren't superior to anyone,least of all anyone wanting to vote for the ONLY candidate that will be in a position to run against whatever globalist runs as a Dim.

Never said I was. But voting for one globalist over another seems to be without any success.

The DNC wants to destroy America,and will do so if they win the next election,but you don't give a squat about America,all you care about is YOU.

 

Got news for you - So do the Republicans. You just choose the corporate globaists over the UN globalists to be the ones to pick her carcass. The end is the same - You let liberalism into the right, there is no more fight.

"Me,me,me,ME,IT'S ALL ABOUT ME,DAMMIT,and to hell with everyone else and the country!"

A useless comment, having nothing to do with anything. It ain't what the dems are going to do, it;s what you will do instead - If that has nothing to do with reducing government and getting it off my neck then what good are you? Four years from now, the dems will get it back, bigger and better than the way they left it...

And you'll still be here, kickin the can down the road with yet another populist idiot who will do nothing. The same damnable 'reasoning' for McAin't, and Romulus too... SOSDD.

There IS no valid argument against selfish,self-centered, and  stupid.

Right... Sommore with epithets rather than any reason whatsoever.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

It’s painfully obvious that you have no grasp of economics

Every taxpayer owes the federal government roughly $260,000. They are not going to get enough money to cover the spending through taxation without harming the economy.  So the federal government has to print and borrow to cover the massive deficits. The interest on the debt is just about equal to what we spend on our military.

That has a negative impact on the long-term health of the economy and the standard living of the American people.

When it comes to the economy, both Biden and Trump are not that far apart. Trump is better on the regulatory front than Biden. But then he wants protectionist tariffs that would offset that

There is a narrow window of where I could change my mind on voting  for Trump. And I have outlined it here.

But if you disagree that maintaining debt to GDP ratio of well over 100% isn’t a big deal and that we can print the money we need with no ill effect, by all means, tell us why

@LMAO

Yeah,and refusing to vote for the  most conservative candidate running and allowing a globalist take over of America is going to balance the budget,huh?

Good thinking!

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Of course you do!

Everybody knows that Patrick Henry was a self-centered surrender monkey who would just go hide at home and sulk if he didn't get everything he wanted,right?

Of course not... But all you are showing is an ignorance of history.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

Yeah,and refusing to vote for the  most conservative candidate running and allowing a globalist take over of America is going to balance the budget,huh?

Good thinking!

This makes no sense

[Hoodat]

That must be why you are willing to allow Biden to get re-elected,right?

Uh, no.  I supported the candidate who opposed Biden's policies.  Yet you support a candidate that shares them.  Biden is giving Trump a good run when it comes to deficit spending.  It's a very close race.  Biden could possibly pull it off and beat Trump's debt number.  But it isn't for certain.  Trump still holds the record at a mind-blowing $8 trillion.  Even Obama is envious of that.

[Hoodat]

This makes no sense

Might as well be arguing with a Democrat.

[roamer_1]

And yet, unless someone has a big, bright "C" emblazoned on his or her lapel, you're unable to recognize a conservative.

To the contrary... Big rhinestone 'C's seem to have replaced rhinestone 'R's.

[Hoodat]

@LMAO

Yeah,and refusing to vote for the  most conservative candidate running and allowing a globalist take over of America is going to balance the budget,huh?

Good thinking!

Oh, I'll definitely be voting for the most Conservative candidate running.

[roamer_1]

@Hoodat

No,you're not. You oppose liberal polities by voting for the least liberal candidate,not running home and hiding in the bathroom and holding your breath until you turn  blue if you don't get everything you want.

Got news for you bubba,NOBODY gets everything they want in a democracy.

What YOU and your cohorts seem to want is a police state on the right that doesn't charge YOU taxes,yet still seems to have the money to build roads,provide electricity,police,fire departments,an effective military,etc,etc,etc,and all it for FREE!

Liberal to the left, Liberal to the right. Conservatism under the bus. No sense in supporting any of that.

[LMAO]

So in conclusion, this is what we’ve established

It has been proven that on social issues, Donald Trump tends to lean left of center.

On illegal immigration, although better than Biden, deported fewer illegal immigrants in his first four years then Obama did in his first four years despite he making bold claims of deportation in his 2016 campaign

Plenty has been said about his monetary and fiscal policy

On Covid, he was closer to the Democrats than many Republicans, both on a gubernatorial level and congressional level.

When an employer seeks to hire an  employee, he interviews that employee. He checks out that employees work record and background


We should do no less  for somebody running to lead the country, especially in these times

[Cyber Liberty]

Apple pie with ice cream and caramel sauce is now being served in the Lounge. 

Did somebody say "Pie??"

[LMAO]

Apple pie with ice cream and caramel sauce is now being served in the Lounge. 

Looks good

Did you bake that?

[sneakypete]

This makes no sense

@LMAO

No kidding!

Open your freaking mind to reality!

[Hoodat]

What part of '$8 TRILLION IN DEBT IN NEW ONLY FOUR YEARS' do you not understand?

And how about what that $8 trillion bought you?  A Democrat President, and a Democrat House!  And two years later, a Democrat Senate!

Look at all the money Joe Biden has in his war chest.  Look at how much money each of these Democrats will have to spend in November.  All of that came from this 'deficit spending' which you insist we should allow in the name of compromise.  You are all a bunch of fools for saying it.

Meanwhile, that $8 trillion is now $8.8 trillion, as we now spend $220 billion a year just to cover the interest on Trump's four years in office.  To hell with every one of you liberal bastards advocating more of that, all because we have to compromise.  No eff'n way!

[sneakypete]

Uh, no.  I supported the candidate who opposed Biden's policies.  Yet you support a candidate that shares them.  Biden is giving Trump a good run when it comes to deficit spending.  It's a very close race.  Biden could possibly pull it off and beat Trump's debt number.  But it isn't for certain.  Trump still holds the record at a mind-blowing $8 trillion.  Even Obama is envious of that.

@Hoodat

Guess what,Homer.

America is about more than the next budget.

It ain't all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"

[mystery-ak]

22 pages with the same arguments over and over again...Many threads on the forum that may peak your interest besides this one..

btw there is no one is this room named *Bubba*

[sneakypete]

Oh, I'll definitely be voting for the most Conservative candidate running.

@Hoodat

Good to know,even if it is somebody that can't win.

[sneakypete]

Liberal to the left, Liberal to the right. Conservatism under the bus. No sense in supporting any of that.

@roamer_1

MUCH mo betta to just go home and hide,huh?

Then,after the election,you can  emerge and tell everyone how THEY were wrong.

[sneakypete]

So in conclusion, this is what we’ve established

It has been proven that on social issues, Donald Trump tends to lean left of center.

On illegal immigration, although better than Biden, deported fewer illegal immigrants in his first four years then Obama did in his first four years despite he making bold claims of deportation in his 2016 campaign

Plenty has been said about his monetary and fiscal policy

On Covid, he was closer to the Democrats than many Republicans, both on a gubernatorial level and congressional level.

When an employer seeks to hire an  employee, he interviews that employee. He checks out that employees work record and background

We should do no less  for somebody running to lead the country, especially in these times

@LMAO

Yet,we either root for and play with the team we have,or to just go home and suck our thumbs and let everybody else decide who  is going to win.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

Yet,we either root for and play with the team we have,or to just go home and suck our thumbs and let everybody else decide who  is going to win.

I’ll tell you what

You do in this election what you feel is right. And the rest of us will do what we feel is right. 


And every time you ping me I’m drawn back here.


But as was said up thread, the same points are being made over and over again and now things are getting boring

Plus, I hear there’s pie somewhere

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Guess what,Homer.

America is about more than the next budget.

It ain't all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"

Tell that to the Department of Defense.  This year, we will spend more money on servicing the debt than we will spend on Defense.

[roamer_1]

I have over and over,but you are just too self-centered and selfish to understand it.

THE "Number One Rule" of politics is "You have to win or you can't do ANYTHING".

Define 'winning'. What does it profit a man to win the whole world but lose his soul?

This means voting for the most conservative candidate,not going home and huddling in your shack if you don't get to vote for  perfection.

No it doesn't. Not when there is no conservatism to be found. Not when there is no Conservative reason to engage.

I will go so far as to vote for a candidate that would do Conservatism no harm.... But that is not Tumpy. He does MASSIVE DAMAGE.

As a wise man  once noted,"The search for perfection is the enemy of the search  for good".

Not looking for perfection, so a poor argument.
Let's start from 'Not liberal'...

Guess what,bubba? You are those who agree with you are helping destroy America by  sitting at home and letting the DNC steal another election.

Nope. At most I am preventing mandate, which is awesome. But that is not the aim. The aim is to turn the Republicans to the Right. The agreement with Conservatives is that the Right (in the form of Republicans) would fight for the combined unmovable principles of the Conservative wing of the party - That is what formed agreement and coalition. That is what gives Republicans the ability to win.

The way the RINOs do it, is to split Conservatives, hoping to keep just enough of them to get over the line. So the rah-rah bullshit starts, and the promises from the stump, which mean nothing.]]

And now, Tumpy is moving LEFT - He doesn't need Conservatives. He wants to take Democrats.
So let him. I ain't represented any way anyway.

So the fight is for Conservative principles. If that ain't there - And it ain't there - then there is no obligation to adhere to Republicans and vote for their candidate. That is what I am doing.

If they want to win next time, they better give the Conservatives something to fight *FOR*

Otherwise, I have better things to do... Like point and jeer.

AND......,when this happens,I do NOT want to see or hear one single minute of your whining about anything they say or do.

Tough shit for you. I'll still be here, and I will continue to speak my mind.

[Hoodat]

Plus, I hear there’s pie somewhere

Deeeee-lish!

[Bigun]

22 pages with the same arguments over and over again...Many threads on the forum that may peak your interest besides this one..

btw there is no one is this room named *Bubba*

[Hoodat]

@roamer_1

MUCH mo betta to just go home and hide,huh?

Then,after the election,you can  emerge and tell everyone how THEY were wrong.

Nonsense.   We're here telling you now.

[roamer_1]

@Hoodat

Guess what,Homer.

America is about more than the next budget.

No, really, it's not.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

MUCH mo betta to just go home and hide,huh?

WTF are you talking about? I don't want what your selling. End of story.

Then,after the election,you can  emerge and tell everyone how THEY were wrong.

Again WTF? Dude, I am telling you you're wrong right now.