Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out

[LMAO]

When it comes to Covid policy, deficit spending, expanding government, deporting illegals, and stopping election fraud, where is there any contrast between Biden and Trump?  At least with a DeSantis, you would have a clear choice when it came to stopping wokeness or reigning in government.

There would be a massive contrast between any red state governor, and Biden

Beyond the border and domestic energy production, the difference between Trump and Biden isn’t that great

[LMAO]

 But when it comes to adults conversing, that pretty much ended after your first post.  Things weren't going your way, so you did what you always do - try to get the thread locked, this time directly insulting the admin/mods.  And you call that 'adult'?  Yeah, right.

When I saw his first post , that was my suspicion also. He saw things he didn’t like to read so the attempt was to try to get the thread locked. It was very transparent.

Despite their bluster, I think deep down, even his most loyal supporters know that when it comes to a lot of these issues we have when it comes to Donald Trump, they know we are right. They are just too proud to admit it. It reminds me of that scene in”Other People’s Money” were Gregory Peck and Danny DeVito are making their cases to shareholders. Peck is using an emotional arguments to plead his case while DeVito is outlining economics and facts. Peck begrudgingly knows DeVito is right but doesn’t admit it out loud


Politics is about debating issues and candidates and their records and proposals. Why some get upset about that is bizarre. This isn’t a liberal arts campus were people get to demand a safe space from viewpoints they don’t like to hear

For example, a couple posters here scoffed at the idea that the trillions of unbacked dollars printing during COVID  helped bring on the inflation we are seeing today. Fine. Then tell us why we are wrong

When someone used phrases such as “ this site used to be better” what they mean is “ I want an echo chamber.”

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

Your take on this poll on this board. Remember that this board was largely made up of people who were shown the door at another site because they weren't in the Trump camp. Any poll here would tend to be skewed as a result. You could actually say that Trump did better than expected in this TBR poll.

@AllThatJazzZ

Disgree...  well 90% of that claim.

Don't forget that in last week's Mini-Super Tuesday that Trump failed to capture (depending on state) 20-25% of the GOP electorate, voting for another candidate , or even grim.... "other".  This an entire week after Trump officially sealed the election, and easily at least a month when it was assured he wouldn't be stopped.  75-80% is dismal under these circumstances.

And in any group of conservatives, almost 2 in 3 refusing to vote for him?  Your comment may have some merit, but based on the sample size, I seriously doubt we have 63 NT's here.  I've have gone on record of saying that I am in the "Hold My Nose" camp.  But this vote is as much if not more in that criteria than even my 2008 vote for McCain, or 2012 for Romney.  I am that disgusted. 

And your point about people here being shown the door elsewhere?  That was 8 years ago.  Heck most of us have forgotten man details of even a year ago.  I stand by my analysis, and even this small sample size is indicitive of the larger problem Trump has with Conservatives.  But if you had read further, I did mention that Trump has expanded his base to the center.  I still think he has aa better than 50/50 chance to win.  But it will happen without the support of Principled Conservatives.

Saying Trump did better than expected in this poll, does not pass the "Red Faced Test". Any gathering of Republicans where its candidate gets  rebuked by 80% of particpants is proof of that.

[LMAO]

@AllThatJazzZ

Disgree...  well 90% of that claim.

Don't forget that in last week's Mini-Super Tuesday that Trump failed to capture (depending on state) 20-25% of the GOP electorate, voting for another candidate , or even grim.... "other".  This an entire week after Trump officially sealed the election, and easily at least a month when it was assured he wouldn't be stopped.  75-80% is dismal under these circumstances.

And in any group of conservatives, almost 2 in 3 refusing to vote for him?  Your comment may have some merit, but based on the sample size, I seriously doubt we have 63 NT's here.  I've have gone on record of saying that I am in the "Hold My Nose" camp.  But this vote is as much if not more in that criteria than even my 2008 vote for McCain, or 2012 for Romney.  I am that disgusted. 

And your point about people here being shown the door elsewhere?  That was 8 years ago.  Heck most of us have forgotten man details of even a year ago.  I stand by my analysis, and even this small sample size is indicitive of the larger problem Trump has with Conservatives.  But if you had read further, I did mention that Trump has expanded his base to the center.  I still think he has aa better than 50/50 chance to win.  But it will happen without the support of Principled Conservatives.

Saying Trump did better than expected in this poll, does not pass the "Red Faced Test". Any gathering of Republicans where its candidate gets  rebuked by 80% of particpants is proof of that.

IMO, should Biden lose, it’ll be evidence that the pro HAMAS wing of the party is stronger than we realize to the point that they refused to vote for Biden in places like Mich and Minnesota

Ever been to downtown Minneapolis? It’s Somalia of the north. BHO’s parting gift to America that just may bite Biden on the ass

[libertybele]

IMO, should Biden lose, it’ll be evidence that the pro HAMAS wing of the party is stronger than we realize to the point that they refused to vote for Biden in places like Mich and Minnesota

Ever been to downtown Minneapolis? It’s Somalia of the north. BHO’s parting gift to America that just may bite Biden on the ass

Biden's gift to BHO is completing his transformation of America.  Are you seriously paying attention to the number of ILLEGALS coming in and where they are taking hold?  Even the MSM is reporting that mostly those coming in are males in their mid twenties to thirties.  Expect an uprising, and yes Hàmas and other subversive groups are much stronger than most want to believe.

[LMAO]

Biden's gift to BHO is completing his transformation of America.  Are you seriously paying attention to the number of ILLEGALS coming in and where they are taking hold?  Even the MSM is reporting that mostly those coming in are males in their mid twenties to thirties.  Expect an uprising, and yes Hàmas and other subversive groups are much stronger than most want to believe.

Yet, all in all, BHO deported more people than Trump

[catfish1957]

Yet, all in all, BHO deported more people than Trump

The country in general has had such an abrupt  left wing turn, I feel we are riding this car on two wheels.

Both candiates, IMO one,left of center.  The other- Socialist.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Yet, all in all, BHO deported more people than Trump

Well, he had 8 years to do so right?

[LMAO]

Well, he had 8 years to do so right?

https://www.axios.com/2019/06/21/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama

By the numbers: Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016.

Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June).

[sneakypete]

"And I actually know nothing  about Noem. I don't see how he could be a bigger scum  bag than DeSantis,so I probably would vote for him if there were no other  choice."
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Remind me to buy you a pair of glasses....   

@catfish1957

"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?

I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."

I think this proves it.

IF she is even semi-conservative,she would make a good VP running mate for Trump,though. She would absolutely lock up the wimmins vote. Even  the Bib Overall/flannel shirt Bitches would vote for that ticket to show solidarity wid de wimmins.

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?

I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."

I think this proves it.

Agree there.  You might want to research her a tad.  I consider her the Trump's front runner for VPOTUS.

[AllThatJazzZ]

@catfish1957

"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?

I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."

I think this proves it.

@sneakypete

Just a reminder: researching him was just a Google away. 

[Lando Lincoln]

@Lando Lincoln

I think someone said that the voting was open to guests, so it could be leftist lurkers who voted for him.

@AllThatJazzZ

I guess what threw me is the summary of the poll. At this moment, it says:
Total Members Voted: 112

[LMAO]

@catfish1957

"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?

I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."

Well, we do live in a time were we are told that men can be women and vice versa so there’s that

[catfish1957]

@AllThatJazzZ

I guess what threw me is the summary of the poll. At this moment, it says:
Total Members Voted: 112

Good catch.  Didn't notice the "member" part of the summary.  Maybe someone famliar with the poll dynamics program  of the site might explain.  I don't think we have 112 active posters here, but I might be wrong.

[corbe]

Good catch.  Didn't notice the "member" part of the summary.  Maybe someone famliar with the poll dynamics program  of the site might explain.  I don't think we have 112 active posters here, but I might be wrong.

   @catfish1957 I believe it was discovered many moons ago that a Guest could potentially skew the results of a Poll by using a VPN or clearing their browser cache.  I could be mistaken.  Management would have the answers.

[Lando Lincoln]

   @catfish1957 I believe it was discovered many moons ago that a Guest could potentially skew the results of a Poll by using a VPN or clearing their browser cache.  I could be mistaken.  Management would have the answers.

@corbe @catfish1957

I’m sure the poll can be skewed in such a way but the question is how to summarize responses by Member v. Guest.

[catfish1957]

   @catfish1957 I believe it was discovered many moons ago that a Guest could potentially skew the results of a Poll by using a VPN or clearing their browser cache.  I could be mistaken.  Management would have the answers.

I can remember when "freeping" a poll was a common practice in our parts.

[Gefn]

I wish there were two votes allowed. I would have loved to also answer with the stoner option

@corbe

[Bigun]

FWIW, I think this is very relevant to the current discussion on this thread.

https://twitter.com/tomgglass/status/1771753536482615516

[DCPatriot]

Most excellent post, @Bigun

Very pertinent to our discussion.

I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him.   

[Bigun]

I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him.   

I don't picture that at all @DCPatriot I picture Patrick respectfully but forcefully disagreeing with @roamer_1 just as he did the folks he was dealing with in 1775.

[libertybele]

FWIW, I think this is very relevant to the current discussion on this thread.

https://twitter.com/tomgglass/status/1771753536482615516

Yes, very relevant, the only difference is that they escaped to a new land.  We have no land to escape to.

[Bigun]

Yes, very relevant, the only difference is that they escaped to a new land.  We have no land to escape to.

And THAT Sir is what we call a very astute observation!

[roamer_1]

Most excellent post, @Bigun

Very pertinent to our discussion.

I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him.   

Believe me... I stand close to Patrick Henry. I am the one not willing to move.

[roamer_1]

I don't picture that at all @DCPatriot I picture Patrick respectfully but forcefully disagreeing with @roamer_1 just as he did the folks he was dealing with in 1775.

Patrick Henry's enemy was without the gate. Across the way.

Mine is trying to move the Republicans even further LEFT.
I will never support that.

[Hoodat]

I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him.   

Patrick Henry and @roamer_1 are on the same side.  Both choose freedom over slavery.

I don't see Patrick Henry cowering from opposing big government with massive deficits and overt socialism because he's afraid it might cost him votes.

Henry:

Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.

Contrast that with the Trump zealots who can't even bring themselves to support a Conservative House Speaker or Senate Majority Leader because their king doesn't want it.  Zealots who ridicule the concept of a balanced budget because people might get offended.  Zealots who champion the slavery of massive debt with its obligatory interest extortion from future generations.

Patrick Henry slap Roamer?  On the contrary, Henry would extend his hand and congratulate him on his refusal to compromise with evil.

[DCPatriot]

Yes, very relevant, the only difference is that they escaped to a new land.  We have no land to escape to.

@libertybele   

They didn't escape to a "new land"...they protected the new land from a world power that wanted it returned under their domain.

BTW...am awestruck by his talent for oratory back in his day.

All we were taught by the Sisters of Mercy and the Jesuits was the last few words of it. "Give me Liberty or Give me Death".

Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg was a piker comparatively. 

[Bigun]

@libertybele   

They didn't escape to a "new land"...they protected the new land from a world power that wanted it returned under their domain.

BTW...am awestruck by his talent for oratory back in his day.

All we were taught by the Sisters of Mercy and the Jesuits was the last few words of it. "Give me Liberty or Give me Death".

Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg was a piker comparatively. 

Abraham Lincoln was a railroad mogul toadie.

[DCPatriot]

Patrick Henry slap Roamer?  On the contrary, Henry would extend his hand and congratulate him on his refusal to compromise with evil.

Uh...listen up.

Saying you refuse to partake in voting for the candidate put forth in opposition to tyranny...is the epitome of "Tyranny".

You're all whiny little piss-pots.  ...on wheels. 

[DCPatriot]

Abraham Lincoln was a railroad mogul toadie.

LOL!   

[roamer_1]

Uh...listen up.

Saying you refuse to partake in voting for the candidate put forth in opposition to tyranny...is the epitome of "Tyranny".

You're all whiny little piss-pots.  ...on wheels.

Except you are not opposing tyranny.
You're supporting a different tyrant.

[DCPatriot]

Except you are not opposing tyranny.
You're supporting a different tyrant.

No...you're a spoiled brat running home to mommy throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting your way

[Hoodat]

You're all whiny little piss-pots.  ...on wheels.

All because we dare oppose liberal policies.  All because we recognize the one issue that is destroying America - the one issue that is the root to every other issue - and because we stand firmly against that issue.  Guilty as charged.

Meanwhile, look at our federal debt, and then consider how much it will take to make the interest payment on it each year at 2½%.

(For the mathematically challenged, $38 trillion at 2½% = $950 million per year.  And that's only if we stop adding to it.)

THAT is slavery.  And I can guarantee you that Patrick Henry would take up arms against any tyrant supporting a continuation of that.

[Hoodat]

No...you're a spoiled brat running home to mommy throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting your way

Tantrum?  You have done nothing but pollute this thread with your tantrums since your return.  You are the one unable to accept the fact that there are posters here who won't vote for Democrat-lite.  The rest of us here really don't give a damn that you're voting for Trump.

[Lando Lincoln]

From @Bigun ’s post:

… different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.

Patrick Henry

[Hoodat]

You ought to be extremely cautious, watchful, jealous of your liberty; for instead of securing your rights, you may lose them forever.

-P. Henry-


The eternal difference between right and wrong does not fluctuate, it is immutable.

-P. Henry-


Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom.

-P. Henry-


The Bible is worth all the other books which have ever been printed.

-P. Henry-




All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say.  Patrick Henry and Roamer are one.  If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.

[catfish1957]

Most excellent post, @Bigun

Very pertinent to our discussion.

I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him.   

Sometimes you say the silliest shit. Orange man is not popular with Conservatives...  Get over it.

[catfish1957]

You ought to be extremely cautious, watchful, jealous of your liberty; for instead of securing your rights, you may lose them forever.

-P. Henry-


The eternal difference between right and wrong does not fluctuate, it is immutable.

-P. Henry-


Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom.

-P. Henry-


The Bible is worth all the other books which have ever been printed.

-P. Henry-




All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say.  Patrick Henry and Roamer are one.  If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.

Nailed it.  Roamer's every bit if not more of a patriot than 99+% of the fans of Orange Crush.

[roamer_1]

No...you're a spoiled brat running home to mommy throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting your way

No. It is quite a matter of principle. I experienced Tumpy's tyranny under lockdown. I will not reward that behavior with my endorsement. Among other things, of course... But you can't begin to tell me you are standing against tyranny when my very eyes have seen the work of your tyrant.

HELL NO.

See, this is the bumper sticker bullshit I'm talking about. You have the balls to try to say y'all are standing with Patrick Henry - 'Murica - and cuss me, after every single damn one of us experienced the evil wrought during covid lockdowns. And your boy pulled that trigger.

You don't have a leg to stand on.

[roamer_1]

All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say.  Patrick Henry and Roamer are one.  If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.

 

 You are too kind, but thank you.
I can only hope to wear the boots and carry the stride of one such as he.

[AllThatJazzZ]

Nailed it.  Roamer's every bit if not more of a patriot than 99+% of the fans of Orange Crush.

Here's an excellent lesson in how to win people over. It's from the chapter titled "What Not to Do."  Apparently y'all just can't help yourselves. 

[DCPatriot]

From @Bigun ’s post:

… different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.

Patrick Henry

From American history books:

Only one-third of Colonists ACTIVELY supported the American Revolution.  One third didn't want to lose British 'protection'...one third simply STFU and went about their lives as nothing was happening.

In which group would YOU be?

[DCPatriot]

No. It is quite a matter of principle. I experienced Tumpy's tyranny under lockdown. I will not reward that behavior with my endorsement. Among other things, of course... But you can't begin to tell me you are standing against tyranny when my very eyes have seen the work of your tyrant.

HELL NO.

See, this is the bumper sticker bullshit I'm talking about. You have the balls to try to say y'all are standing with Patrick Henry - 'Murica - and cuss me, after every single damn one of us experienced the evil wrought during covid lockdowns. And your boy pulled that trigger.

You don't have a leg to stand on.

You and your bullsh*t "principle card".  You sit on your high horse...nose in the air.

Take your principle and shove it.

It's Donald J. Trump this cycle or it's a knock on your outhouse door at 6AM by DHS.  Anything else is cowardly and treasonous.

Furthermore my friend... if Donald Trump went the way of Sweden during Covid, you'd be claiming him to be a mass murderer, ala 4 Democrat governors.

[LMAO]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!



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https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/02/29/how-sweden-proved-the-world-wrong-about-lockdown/amp/

Although we could not explore every possible impact of the various lockdown measures, our conclusions were straightforward: countries that imposed more lockdown measures did not experience lower excess death rates. In fact, Sweden had one of the lowest excess death rates towards the end of the pandemic, with fewer people dying compared with a normal pre-pandemic year.




Donald Trump once said that he gives himself an A+ on how he handled the Covid pandemic. Based on that, what confidence should we have that he would not follow the similar path should we have another pandemic?

[DCPatriot]

All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say.  Patrick Henry and Roamer are one.  If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.

Awww geez....you both should get a room!   

[roamer_1]

You and your bullsh*t "principle card".  You sit on your high horse...nose in the air.

Take your principle and shove it.

... And there it is. See? You don't give a shit about Conservatism. Never have never will. That's why it s so easy for you (y'all) to slip that phony 'conservative mantle' on your boy... you know, the one y'all bought downtown off that little Vietnamese dude selling purses on the street corner, and figger that's all you need. Spout some 'Murica' platitudes, call on the ghost of Patrick Henry, and figger everybody's just gonna fall right in line and come on along.

Well, bullshit.

It's Donald J. Trump this cycle or it's a knock on your outhouse door at 6AM by DHS.  Anything else is cowardly and treasonous.

Bullshit. I fear Tumpy's jack-booted thugs just as much as I fear any . It was HE that shut down the country. HE shut my bank off. I had *NO MONEY* for three damn months, and you expect me to vote for MORE OF THAT? You must be smokin crack.

It really is funny. You come storming on here - Both of you... All three of you, and offer absolutely nothing in argument. Not  single one. You KNOW what we're saying is true. You have no defense against it.

So instead of offering reason you come bringing epithets and accusations. *NOTHING MORE*
You have already lost the argument, because you offer nothing. You cannot defend your position on Conservative grounds so you may as well just walk off. You've already shown, over and over, you've got nothin.

Furthermore my friend... if Donald Trump went the way of Sweden during Covid, you'd be claiming him to be a mass murderer, ala 4 Democrat governors.

Bullcrap. I have even DEFENDED him on occasion - I DEFENDED his initial position on covid, till he folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair... And YES, BTW, I would have him answer for the millions of deaths caused by outlawing antivirals. That was an evil as grim as any ever conceived. And he went along with it.

[Hoodat]

From American history books:

Only one-third of Colonists ACTIVELY supported the American Revolution.  One third didn't want to lose British 'protection'...one third simply STFU and went about their lives as nothing was happening.

In which group would YOU be?

Well, let's see.  There are a group of us who want a government shutdown each time there is a budget crisis.  Those would be the same ones who wanted the British Government shut down regarding the free commerce of the colonies.  People such as myself are in that group.

Then there's the group that is afraid to go against the status quo.  They cower from cutting off the funding of government and all the socialism that it supports.  They cry that they might not win the next election if they dare make a stand and oppose the British rule.  People such as you, @DCPatriot .

So the next time you wish to offer up one of these asinine analogies, you might want to think it through first.  Because when you make comments about @roamer_1 getting slapped by Patrick Henry even though they share the exact same position, you only reveal to the world what a completely blind and ignorant fool you really are.

[sneakypete]

Tantrum?  You have done nothing but pollute this thread with your tantrums since your return.   You are the one unable to accept the fact that there are posters here who won't vote for Democrat-lite.   The rest of us here really don't give a damn that you're voting for Trump.

@Hoodat

You are the one unable to accept the fact that there are posters here who won't vote for Democrat-lite

No,you "purists" are the ones that are voting for Democratic-Lite AS WELL AS Democratic "full-strength" when you refuse to vote to oppose it.

So do your little "superiority dances" in you home in front of your mothers,because they will be the only ones that will appreciate it if the left continues to hold the WH come the next election.

You might want to try holding your breath until you turn blue and stamping your little feets in anger,while you are at it.

[sneakypete]

Nailed it.  Roamer's every bit if not more of a patriot than 99+% of the fans of Orange Crush.

@catfish1957

A blatant lie!

If you believe that,you believe that I am not a patriot,not to mention many others who post on this board as well as the lurkers.