Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out

[roamer_1]

I'm bored. I'm hungry for some intellectual stimulation.

So you're here? On this thread. 

[AllThatJazzZ]

So you're here? On this thread. 

Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!

[deb]

Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!

We could talk about Fil.   

[libertybele]

Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!

Apparently that's what those members want to debate.  It's up to them.

Perhaps you may want to post and start new threads in different categories ????

[LMAO]

   Luv yah, @LMAO !!

@DCPatriot

I got a good morning chuckle out of that post

Well played, sir. Well played.

[Lando Lincoln]

I'll be well over 76 years old when election day rolls around this year and very likely won't live to see another. I sincerely wish the pickings were better, but they aren't, and I've made my choice. The one thing I absolutely refuse to do is not choose.

Same. Yep, same. I live in a battleground state and someone from Door A or Door B will emerge a winner. I will choose the one that gives me and mine the best chance to fight another day. I refuse to cede any advantage to Biden. I will live with that choice. I will vote, good Lord willing, for DJT.

I respect the principled position of others.

[LMAO]

Same. Yep, same. I live in a battleground state and someone from Door A or Door B will emerge a winner. I will choose the one that gives me and mine the best chance to fight another day. I refuse to cede any advantage to Biden. I will live with that choice. I will vote, good Lord willing, for DJT.

I respect the principled position of others.

You’re voting your conscience. That’s all anybody can do.

There are risks for voting for Donald Trump and risks in not voting for Donald Trump.


I have a very left-wing relative who said after Donald Trump won in 2016 that everybody who voted for Donald Trump is a bad person. I reminded her that many of those same people also voted for Barack Obama. So were they good in 2008 and 2012 but suddenly became bad in 2016?


Although I will not be casting a ballot for Donald Trump this cycle, there is a dark side of me that will tune in to CNN and MSNBC just to gauge the extent of their meltdown

[DefiantMassRINO]

The conventions and the elections will be $h!t-$how$.

The national parties are messes.

Federal instiutions are messes.

What's the point of having a GOP majority in the House if they are going to cave to the US Senate and the White House?

The House has ceded too much of its institutional independence for "party unity".

The American people want their candidates and their caucus to fight for them ... we want legislation with debate and amendment on the House Floor.

If House bills are going to be unwritten, undebated, un-amended backroom "frameworks", there's no need to pay to have C-Span televise House sessions if House business is not going to be done in public.

Immigration is a hill worth dying on.  Make Biden explain to the American people his rationale for making his Open Borders a higher priority than a Federal Budget, Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan?

Put Biden on the defensive.  Hammer the White House and the US Senate with the costs and consequences of Biden's Open Borders.

Write an immigration bill, with debate and amendment on the Floor, and throw it over to the US Senate and the White House to publicly defend Open Borders.

Don't worry about every bill passing.  Each defeated bill is a starting point for the next version of that bill.

To play field position football, we need to be willing to run the ball.  We will not gain 10 yards on every down, but will move the ball forward for the next down, while grinding down Dem and RINO defense.

House GOP needs to attack attack attack ... passing bill after bill after bill ... regardless of whether it will be passed in the US Senate or signed by the President.  Force the opposition to constantly be on defense.

The strategy of field position football is to win the game by keeping the other team's offense off the field.

[libertybele]

The conventions and the elections will be $h!t-$how$.

The national parties are messes.

Federal instiutions are messes.

What's the point of having a GOP majority in the House if they are going to cave to the US Senate and the White House?

The House has ceded too much of its institutional independence for "party unity".

The American people want their candidates and their caucus to fight for them ... we want legislation with debate and amendment on the House Floor.

If House bills are going to be unwritten, undebated, un-amended backroom "frameworks", there's no need to pay to have C-Span televise House sessions if House business is not going to be done in public.

Immigration is a hill worth dying on.  Make Biden explain to the American people his rationale for making his Open Borders a higher priority than a Federal Budget, Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan?

Put Biden on the defensive.  Hammer the White House and the US Senate with the costs and consequences of Biden's Open Borders.

Write an immigration bill, with debate and amendment on the Floor, and throw it over to the US Senate and the White House to publicly defend Open Borders.

Don't worry about every bill passing.  Each defeated bill is a starting point for the next version of that bill.

To play field position football, we need to be willing to run the ball.  We will not gain 10 yards on every down, but will move the ball forward for the next down, while grinding down Dem and RINO defense.

House GOP needs to attack attack attack ... passing bill after bill after bill ... regardless of whether it will be passed in the US Senate or signed by the President.  Force the opposition to constantly be on defense.

The strategy of field position football is to win the game by keeping the other team's offense off the field.

I couldn't agree with you more.  The GOP has a very slim majority in the House to begin with and too many RINO's...both Speakers were worthless. For that matter most of the GOP have proven to be pretty darn worthless - unfortunately the time to replace them at the ballot box has come and gone. We have to work with what we've got so, again, it is more important to vote in as many conservatives as possible down ballot than spending so much time and $$ worrying about Trump.  Just my opinion.

[Bigun]

Same. Yep, same. I live in a battleground state and someone from Door A or Door B will emerge a winner. I will choose the one that gives me and mine the best chance to fight another day. I refuse to cede any advantage to Biden. I will live with that choice. I will vote, good Lord willing, for DJT.

I respect the principled position of others.

As do I and, with that, I'm done with this thread.

[AllThatJazzZ]

Apparently that's what those members want to debate.  It's up to them.

Perhaps you may want to post and start new threads in different categories ????

Well, certainly. But it's up to me how I respond, right? So I'm just commenting on the incessant repetition on this thread.

 

[AllThatJazzZ]

As do I and, with that, I'm done with this thread.

@Bigun

 

Beware. Avert your eyes. They will try to draw you back in. You must be strong! 

[roamer_1]

Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!

Well, not me... I can chew gum and scratch my head at the same time... Just checked out for a minnit because I am switching carriers on my main cell phone right now... And was expecting hellfire to be raining down...

But it's been almost painless...

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump deserves bashing.  Most of his policies turned to mud. He ran up the deficit. He attacks conservatives. Right now he's funneling funds from the RNC to help pay for his legal bills.

The first couple of points are the predictable, vacuous broad brushed nonsense we're used to enduring. But, it seems you slipped in something new here @libertybele     -----    Please post a link with information on "funneling funds".  I'd like to take a closer look at this to determine how this bullshit was set in motion.

Thanks.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Bigun

 

Beware. Avert your eyes. They will try to draw you back in. You must be strong! 

LOL @AllThatJazzZ   A good caution for all of us. 

[Smokin Joe]

As do I and, with that, I'm done with this thread.

@Bigun I have been reading it...

But somewhere I was told (excessive) mass debating will make you go blind.

I already need glasses, so I'm outta here.

[libertybele]

The first couple of points are the predictable, vacuous broad brushed nonsense we're used to enduring. But, it seems you slipped in something new here @libertybele     -----    Please post a link with information on "funneling funds".  I'd like to take a closer look at this to determine how this bullshit was set in motion.

Thanks.

Well, at the same time @Right_in_Virginia can you please list any Trump policy (policies) that is still in effect?

As for funneling $$ --  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/31/trump-desantis-haley-campaign-fundraising/

[berdie]

@Bigun I have been reading it...

But somewhere I was told (excessive) mass debating will make you go blind.

I already need glasses, so I'm outta here.

 

[sneakypete]

I couldn't agree with you more.  The GOP has a very slim majority in the House to begin with and too many RINO's...both Speakers were worthless. For that matter most of the GOP have proven to be pretty darn worthless - unfortunately the time to replace them at the ballot box has come and gone. We have to work with what we've got so, again, it is more important to vote in as many conservatives as possible down ballot than spending so much time and $$ worrying about Trump.  Just my opinion.

@libertybele

Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)

He is a placeholder until we can do better.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)

He is a placeholder until we can do better.

Placeholder?  Perhaps at this point in time that's the best we may have going for us, but even at that, I believe it is more important to secure a majority in either the Senate or House.  Both would be quite an accomplishment.

[Hoodat]

@libertybele

Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)

He is a placeholder until we can do better.

You do realize that the USS America sailed leftward during his last 4 years in office, right?  Never in my lifetime did I imagine people would be denied their livelihood for refusing to be injected with an experimental genetic program.

[roamer_1]

@libertybele

Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)

He is a placeholder until we can do better.

Wouldn't have needed a damn 'placeholder' if y'all hadn't insisted on Tump.

[roamer_1]

You do realize that the USS America sailed leftward during his last 4 years in office, right?  Never in my lifetime did I imagine people would be denied their livelihood for refusing to be injected with an experimental genetic program.

... And we could have had DeSantis, who is driving Florida to the Right with a sledgehammer.

But no... 'placeholder'. 

[Lando Lincoln]

Oh boy… placeholder.

[deb]

... And we could have had DeSantis, who is driving Florida to the Right with a sledgehammer.

But no... 'placeholder'. 

That’s the most disappointing.

[Hoodat]

Oh boy… placeholder.

Just as Biden is a placeholder for Trump's second term?

[sneakypete]

Placeholder?  Perhaps at this point in time that's the best we may have going for us, but even at that, I believe it is more important to secure a majority in either the Senate or House.  Both would be quite an accomplishment.

@libertybele

First,the Republican candidate needs to win the WH. Without that power,we are fighting an uphill battle.

The truth is the only chance we have of saving America is having a Republican elected as President,AND having Republicans taking over the house and/or senate.

Not sure we can even do this,but it is the only chance we have of saving America.

Who knows? We MIGHT even get lucky  enough to have a  "new and unknown to most of us" Republican candidate spring forward before Trump leaves office,and organize a campaign that sees the old farts running for retirement to be replaced by "fresh blood" that has an agenda other than enriching themselves?

I am NOT saying this WILL happen,but anything is possible if the right events seem to just "click" at the same time.

Especially since so much of the Senate and House leadership is now composed of geezers that seem to be going senile.

The ONLY thing I am sure of it is "game OVER" if another Dim occupies the WH after the next election.

It sure would be nice to see conservatives take a commanding lead in the House and Senate,also.

Hey,if you are going to wish,wish BIG!

[sneakypete]

You do realize that the USS America sailed leftward during his last 4 years in office, right?  Never in my lifetime did I imagine people would be denied their livelihood for refusing to be injected with an experimental genetic program.

@Hoodat

Blah,blah,blah,blah.

Same old tired shit over and over and over. Trump had 4 years with the odds stacked against him and damn little support from the "ah hates him causin he bees rich and not wunna usins!" crowd doing virtually nothing to help him.

NO President can accomplish  much if his own party doesn't back him or her.

[sneakypete]

Wouldn't have needed a damn 'placeholder' if y'all hadn't insisted on Tump.

@roamer_1

Ok,bubba,explain that to the rest of us,and try to not add any magical super heroes or creatures flying to your hero's aid from their office windows any time he is in trouble.

[sneakypete]

... And we could have had DeSantis, who is driving Florida to the Right with a sledgehammer.

But no... 'placeholder'. 

@roamer_1

DeSanctimonious???????

ROFLMAO!

Yeah,another self-serving backstabbing little weasel would have really fixed things up,huh?

Just look at how well he did against the other candidates.

Didn't he come in last,with virtually nobody but his mama and his wife supporting him?

[Hoodat]

NO President can accomplish  much if his own party doesn't back him or her.

But Trump did accomplish much.  He moved us further leftward.  And he added $8 trillion to the national debt.

[LMAO]

The so called “placeholder” doesn’t work

What will happen, and history supports this, if Trump wins, Democrats come back in the 2026 midterms and then  again in 2028. That Democrat in 2028 will get a potential two terms

The idea that a conservative will follow four years of Donald Trump is poppycock. Historically, with the exception of George Herbert Walker Bush following Reagan, the opposite party usually wins an open presidential election

What I mean is, after Eisenhower served two terms, Kennedy followed. After Clinton served two terms,GWB followed, then  BHO. Get the picture?

The two worst scenarios is Biden winning reelection with a Democrat Congress, and Trump winning the election with a Democrat Congress. In the case of Biden, he’ll get everything he wants. In the case of Trump, he’ll “compromise” with them on many issues vs oppose them. We’ve seen this already

In truth, the best case scenario is Biden re-elected  with a large enough GOP Congress willing to oppose him. One of the dangers of Donald Trump with a GOP Congress is that they would feel pressured to go along with some  of his nonsensical ideas or risk being primaried

[sneakypete]

But Trump did accomplish much.  He moved us further leftward.  And he added $8 trillion to the national debt.

@Hoodat

Blah,blah,blah.

Same old tired Biden,over and over..

And here I was thinking he was elected to be the President,not the Maximum Dictator!

Do ya think that MAYBE Congress had just a LITTLE something ta do wid dat?

After all,last I heard,they are the ones that pass or reject spending bills.

[Hoodat]

@roamer_1

DeSanctimonious???????

ROFLMAO!

Yeah,another self-serving backstabbing little weasel would have really fixed things up,huh?

So you would rather have a candidate with a proven track record of moving us leftward instead of a candidate with a proven track record of moving us rightward?

Oh, and again for the umpteenth time, when did DeSantis stab anyone in the back?  You keep tossing out this claim.  But each and every time, you fail to offer a credible explanation, especially since it has been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump turned on DeSantis long before he decided to join the race.  If anyone is a backstabber here, it is Trump.

[roamer_1]

That’s the most disappointing.

Yes ma'am, it is. More so than Cruz. Two bulletproof Conservatives in a row. *SMH*

Placeholder.

[Hoodat]

Do ya think that MAYBE Congress had just a LITTLE something ta do wid dat?

After all,last I heard,they are the ones that pass or reject spending bills.

Congress signed Trump's name at the bottom?  You might want to go back and re-read your Constitution.

[Hoodat]

Yes ma'am, it is. More so than Cruz. Two bulletproof Conservatives in a row. *SMH*

Placeholder.

Even Mitt Romney ran to the right of Trump.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Ok,bubba,explain that to the rest of us,and try to not add any magical super heroes or creatures flying to your hero's aid from their office windows any time he is in trouble.

HIS RECORD belies every dang thing y'all say. His record. Nothing magical about that.

You insisted on a BIG(ly) government liberal. Well, now you got him.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

DeSanctimonious???????

ROFLMAO!

Yeah,another self-serving backstabbing little weasel would have really fixed things up,huh?

Just look at how well he did against the other candidates.

Didn't he come in last,with virtually nobody but his mama and his wife supporting him?

Again. Record.

[roamer_1]

The so called “placeholder” doesn’t work

What will happen, and we’ve already seen this, if Trump wins, Democrats come back in the 2026 midterms and then  again in 2028. That Democrat in 2028 will get a potential two terms

The idea that a conservative will follow four years of Donald Trump is poppycock. Historically, with the exception of George Herbert Walker Bush following Reagan, the opposite party usually wins an open presidential election.

After Eisenhower served two terms, Kennedy followed. After Clinton served two terms,GWB followed. Get the picture

The two worst scenarios is Biden winning reelection with a Democrat Congress, and Trump winning the election with a Democrat Congress. In the case of Biden, he’ll get everything he wants. In the case of Trump, he’ll “compromise” with them on many issues vs oppose them. We’ve seen this already

In truth, the best case scenario is Biden re-elected  with a large enough GOP Congress willing to oppose him. One of the dangers of Donald Trump with a GOP Congress is that they would feel pressured to go along with some  of his nonsensical ideas or risk being primaried

That's right... And more than that, with Tumpy controlling the RNC, kiss the ring or you get no money.
So I don't expect a gain in either house, and in fact, will probably lose seats.

I really want to be wrong about that.

[Hoodat]

[roamer_1]

So you would rather have a candidate with a proven track record of moving us leftward instead of a candidate with a proven track record of moving us rightward?

Oh, and again for the umpteenth time, when did DeSantis stab anyone in the back?  You keep tossing out this claim.  But each and every time, you fail to offer a credible explanation, especially since it has been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump turned on DeSantis long before he decided to join the race.  If anyone is a backstabber here, it is Trump.

It's all bullcrap. He can't back it up. Proven over and over.

[roamer_1]

Even Mitt Romney ran to the right of Trump.

No kidding.

[sneakypete]

So you would rather have a candidate with a proven track record of moving us leftward instead of a candidate with a proven track record of moving us rightward?

Oh, and again for the umpteenth time, when did DeSantis stab anyone in the back?  You keep tossing out this claim.  But each and every time, you fail to offer a credible explanation, especially since it has been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump turned on DeSantis long before he decided to join the race.  If anyone is a backstabber here, it is Trump.

@Hoodat

Blah,blah,"ebil rude rich  man",blah.

Play another tune.

[sneakypete]

Congress signed Trump's name at the bottom?  You might want to go back and re-read your Constitution.

@Hoodat

Ahhh,so US Presidents are dictators!

I had no idea.

What is it again that Congress does????????

[roamer_1]

@Hoodat

Blah,blah,"ebil rude rich  man",blah.

Play another tune.

See? The record doesn't matter a whit!
It's all about the rainbows and unicorn farts.
 

[sneakypete]

Blah,blah,blah.

Same old "Evil Rude Rich Man" jealous nonsense over and over,no matter HOW you try to hide it.

[roamer_1]

Blah,blah,blah.

Same old "Evil Rude Rich Man" jealous nonsense over and over,no matter HOW you try to hide it.

Nothing like that. Look_at_the_effin record.

You can't stack Tumpy against DeSantis in Conservative terms.
The guy is beating the crap out of the left. Beating the crap outta the woke. Restoring proper governance, Reducing the cost of government... Right down the damn line.

Tumpy's done nothing but move the federal government to the LEFT. Made it bigger. Gave it more power. and then handed it to the Democrats. And all it cost us was twenty friggin trillion bucks.

There just ain't no comparison.

On the record.
BIG mistake.

[cato potatoe]

To be certain, the damage from another Biden term will be difficult if not impossible to repair.  We needed a serious voice to counter his class warfare nonsense, a disciplined campaigner who was not beset with personal scandals, and someone who could put forth a positive vision for the next generation of voters.  Instead the republicans were bamboozled by a geriatric cartoon character, a man who thinks his sons should mutilate African leopards because it's covered by the second amendment.  The dems have problems of their own, but not like ours.  Even at this stage one can detect a tinge of panic setting in amongst Trump's core supporters, demanding we bail them out of their selection.  Well, I'm sorry folks.

[sneakypete]

To be certain, the damage from another Biden term will be difficult if not impossible to repair.  We needed a serious voice to counter his class warfare nonsense, a disciplined campaigner who was not beset with personal scandals, and someone who could put forth a positive vision for the next generation of voters. 

@cato potatoe

Santa already has a job.

Instead the republicans were bamboozled by a geriatric cartoon character, a man who thinks his sons should mutilate African leopards because it's covered by the second amendment.  The dems have problems of their own, but not like ours.  Even at this stage one can detect a tinge of panic setting in amongst Trump's core supporters, demanding we bail them out of their selection.  Well, I'm sorry folks.

Blah,blah,blah,blah.

Rude Rich  Orange Man