Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200

[bilo]

That is true, however, for Gaetz not have any plans in place afterwards is terribly irresponsible. I wonder what he expected the outcome to be after McCarthy was ousted?

It is unreasonable to expect Gaetz to solve everything. His response when asked after McCarthy was voted out was there are a lot of good people capable of being Speaker. I remember him saying that about Scailse and Jordan among others.

The problem doesn't rest with Gaetz. It rests with the Establishment Loyalists in the Pub party that have been lying to us for years. They like things just the way they are. They get to say and do whatever they want without any consequences.

We are the ones that pay the price. Our money is worth less every day and we are approaching the breaking point. Ask what will happen when the only buyer of our govt bonds is the Federal Reserve.

[jafo2010]

The Republicans are highly skilled at total incompetence!  They are proving daily they cannot get anything done, not even selecting a leader.  How pathetic is that?

      

[mountaineer]

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
🚨 HERE ARE THE OFFICE NUMBERS OF THE 20 REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST JIM JORDAN ON FIRST BALLOT - KEEP THE PRESSURE ON:

Bacon - (202) 225-4155, (402) 938-0300

Buck - (202) 225-4676, (720) 639-9165

Chavez - (202) 225-5711, (503) 387-8651

D'Esposito -(202) 225-5516, (516) 739-3008

Diaz-Balter - (202) 225-8576, (305) 470-8555

Ellzy - (202) 225-2002, (903) 602-7860

Garbino - (202) 225-7896, (631) 541-4225

Gimenez - (202) 225-2778, (305) 222-0160

Gonzalez - (202) 225-2531, (956) 682-5545

Granger - (202) 225-5071, (817) 338-0909

James - (202) 225-4961, (586) 498-7122

Kelly - (202) 225-5406, (724) 342-7170

Kiggans - (202) 225-4215, (757) 364-7650

LaLota - (202) 225-3826, (631) 289-1097

LaMalfa - (202) 225-3076, (530) 223-5898

Lawler - (202) 225-6506, (845) 743-7130

Rutherford - (202) 225-2501, (904) 831-5205

Simpson - (202) 225-5531, (208) 334-1953

Spartz - (202) 225-2276, (317) 848-0201

Womack - (202) 225-4301, (479) 464-0446
2:18 PM · Oct 17, 2023

[240B]

The Republicans are highly skilled at total incompetence!  They are proving daily they cannot get anything done, not even selecting a leader.  How pathetic is that?

Republicans cannot select a leader because so many Republicans are really just turncoat Democrats, who want Democrats to provide leadership and to run Congress. The problem with a Republican majority is that it causes Republicans to have to actually have to 'do something', which is what most of them spend their entire careers trying to avoid. Now, when they are put under the spotlight and are being forced to choose between Democrat or Republican leadership, their heads spin around and around with confusion. They want so much to vote Democrat but cannot because of political appearances. The RINO Republicans want to vote Democrat, but at the same time they do not want to show their true colors.

So, they hem and haw, avoid and distract, delay and hide, until they absolutely have no choice.

[mystery-ak]

Next Speaker vote pushed to Wednesday after Jordan falls short: Live updates

Rep. Jim Jordan and his allies took Tuesday afternoon to regroup after a vote in the House earlier in the day had 20 Republicans come out against his bid to become Speaker.

Jordan (R-Ohio) secured 200 of the necessary 217 votes, while Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) got the full backing of Democratic members, with 212 votes.

The House has been in recess since the vote ended, just before 2 p.m., and a second vote is now expected at 11 a.m. Wednesday.

Jordan had gained some major momentum, picking up endorsements from key players who had initially said they would not vote for him. But during Tuesday’s midday vote, 20 Republicans cast votes for other members.

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4259954-house-speaker-jim-jordan-vote-live-coverage/

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Good chance of a motion today to expand McHenry's power to conduct House business.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/effort-empower-interim-speaker-mchenry-gains-steam-jordan-momentum-stalls

Doesn't make him Speaker permanently, but it is definitely a step down that road.

[Hoodat]

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
🚨 HERE ARE THE OFFICE NUMBERS OF THE 20 REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST JIM JORDAN ON FIRST BALLOT - KEEP THE PRESSURE ON:

Spartz - (202) 225-2276, (317) 848-0201

I am surprised that Spartz voted against.

[Hoodat]

Republicans cannot select a leader because so many Republicans are really just turncoat Democrats, who want Democrats to provide leadership and to run Congress. The problem with a Republican majority is that it causes Republicans to have to actually have to 'do something', which is what most of them spend their entire careers trying to avoid. Now, when they are put under the spotlight and are being forced to choose between Democrat or Republican leadership, their heads spin around and around with confusion. They want so much to vote Democrat but cannot because of political appearances. The RINO Republicans want to vote Democrat, but at the same time they do not want to show their true colors.

So, they hem and haw, avoid and distract, delay and hide, until they absolutely have no choice.

TRUTH !

[mystery-ak]

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
The American people elected a Republican controlled House of Representatives.

Republican Representatives who want to  work with Democrats to find a "consensus" candidate are betraying their voters by even entertaining the thought.

This would instantly hand all power of the Republican majority over to Democrats, and it would be a slap in the face to the American people.

We elected Republicans to hold the Biden Admin accountable, not bend a knee to it.
10:38 AM · Oct 18, 2023
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[Kamaji]

Republicans cannot select a leader because so many Republicans are really just turncoat Democrats, who want Democrats to provide leadership and to run Congress. The problem with a Republican majority is that it causes Republicans to have to actually have to 'do something', which is what most of them spend their entire careers trying to avoid. Now, when they are put under the spotlight and are being forced to choose between Democrat or Republican leadership, their heads spin around and around with confusion. They want so much to vote Democrat but cannot because of political appearances. The RINO Republicans want to vote Democrat, but at the same time they do not want to show their true colors.

So, they hem and haw, avoid and distract, delay and hide, until they absolutely have no choice.

Bullshit.  Changing parties is easy enough to do, so if they really wanted to vote democrat, they'd simply change parties.

What it means is that right now, a large number of republican representatives do not agree with the hardcore right on a lot of issues, and the hardcore right is not giving them any good persuasive reasons to change their minds.

The only time one gets to lead with the stick rather than with honey is when one has a commanding majority already.  Conservatives do not have anything even approaching a commanding plurality, let alone a majority, and so it would behoove them to start learning the gentle(r) art of persuasion and stop deluding themselves into thinking they have a big enough stick to beat everyone else into submission.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Bullshit.  Changing parties is easy enough to do, so if they really wanted to vote democrat, they'd simply change parties.

What it means is that right now, a large number of republican representatives do not agree with the hardcore right on a lot of issues, and the hardcore right is not giving them any good persuasive reasons to change their minds.

The only time one gets to lead with the stick rather than with honey is when one has a commanding majority already.  Conservatives do not have anything even approaching a commanding plurality, let alone a majority, and so it would behoove them to start learning the gentle(r) art of persuasion and stop deluding themselves into thinking they have a big enough stick to beat everyone else into submission.

 

The hard liners are trying to avoid the unpleasant reality that to change national policy, you have to win more elections.  That means persuading more people to vote more conservatively than they have before.

That means recognizing that not everybody is going to be a conservative, much less a hardline conservative. But if you can at least move people overall to the right of where they were, then you can accomplish something.

The risk is that if you try to move people too far to the right too fast, they will resist and actually end up moving in the opposite direction.  That's exactly what we see happening with Republican moderates considering working with Jeffries because of Gaetz and Co.

[Hoodat]

Bullshit.  Changing parties is easy enough to do, so if they really wanted to vote democrat, they'd simply change parties.

What it means is that right now, a large number of republican representatives do not agree with the hardcore right on a lot of issues, and the hardcore right is not giving them any good persuasive reasons to change their minds.

No, this is 100% politics, pure and simple.  It is about influence and perks and ego.  It has nothing to do with issues.

Those who allied themselves with the GOP leadership got certain perks.  And those people are now pissed off that their perks are going away.

[Kamaji]

No, this is 100% politics, pure and simple.  It is about influence and perks and ego.  It has nothing to do with issues.

Those who allied themselves with the GOP leadership got certain perks.  And those people are now pissed off that their perks are going away.

Nope.  There are fundamental disagreements with how the hardliners want to run things, and they are singularly incapable of making a persuasive argument for why anyone should go along with them.

[Hoodat]

Ah yes.  "The hardliners".  People who have this archaic belief that people should tell the truth and honor what they say they will do.  What bastards!

[mystery-ak]

Klukowski: Joyce Plan to Make McHenry Acting Speaker Empowers Democrats, Strikes All Republicans from Presidential Succession

David Joyce (R-OH) is exploring options to give powers to Patrick McHenry (R-NC) instead of electing Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) as Speaker of the House, but that would empower Hakeem Jeffries to protect the Biden agenda and remove the only Republican from the line of presidential succession, ensuring complete Democrat control.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/18/klukowski-joyce-plan-make-mchenry-acting-speaker-empowers-democrats-strikes-republicans-presidential-succession/

[bigheadfred]

‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.’

 King Pyrrhus of Epirus

[Hoodat]

Klukowski: Joyce Plan to Make McHenry Acting Speaker Empowers Democrats, Strikes All Republicans from Presidential Succession

David Joyce (R-OH) is exploring options to give powers to Patrick McHenry (R-NC) instead of electing Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) as Speaker of the House, but that would empower Hakeem Jeffries to protect the Biden agenda and remove the only Republican from the line of presidential succession, ensuring complete Democrat control.

This doesn't empower Democrats since the probability of both Biden and Harris leaving office at the same time is less than the probability of winning the Powerball.  It would have mattered back when Democrats held only 50 seats in the Senate, because removal of either Biden or Harris would have moved the Speaker up a spot to second in line.  But Republicans already blew that opportunity.

[240B]

Bullshit.  Changing parties is easy enough to do, so if they really wanted to vote democrat, they'd simply change parties.

Changing parties is far from easy. All your election infrastructure (donors/volunteers/employees) sometimes built over decades all has to be revamped. How you run a campaign and who you are running against are all different. If you keep getting reelected time after time after time again, the last thing any politician would do is to wipe all that out and start over.

The primary goal of all politicians is to get elected at any cost. Any promises or party affiliations are secondary concerns after gaining office.

[Hoodat]

The primary goal of all politicians is to get elected at any cost. Any promises or party affiliations are secondary concerns after gaining office.

Yep.  It's about the perks.  Health insurance.  Retirement account.   Living allowance.  Free meals.  Kennedy Center tickets.  And the best insider information for stock purchases.  Just look at how many members of Congress suddenly become millionaires AFTER they take office.  They treat it as a career and not as representation for their constituents.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

This doesn't empower Democrats since the probability of both Biden and Harris leaving office at the same time is less than the probability of winning the Powerball.  It would have mattered back when Democrats held only 50 seats in the Senate, because removal of either Biden or Harris would have moved the Speaker up a spot to second in line.  But Republicans already blew that opportunity.

Good analysis.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.’

 King Pyrrhus of Epirus

Who also said "one more such victory and I am lost".  In other words, you can sometimes win a battle but put yourself in an even worse position.

Too bad Gaetz and those who ousted McCarthy didn't read their Plutarch.

[Hoodat]

Plutarch Schmootarch.  They read their Neil Young instead.

"It's better to burn out than to fade away."

My my, hey hey.

[bilo]

The Republicans are highly skilled at total incompetence! They are proving daily they cannot get anything done, not even selecting a leader.  How pathetic is that?

      

It sure looks like it, but maybe they are more devious than we recognize. It looks like the Establishment Loyalists are getting ready to set up a coalition govt with the Rats. They will give some power sharing to the Rats, make the current Speaker the permanent Speaker and then they can pass a big Omnbus bill in Dec. The Establishment Loyalists in the Pub party keep spending money we don't have and those that are in swing districts can pretend that they care about their constituents.

They will do all this and more and blame Gaetz for anything bad that happens. DC continues to spend based on Modern Monetary Theory, which disregards deficits, and in the end we will be crushed by the Law of Large Numbers.

[bilo]

Republicans cannot select a leader because so many Republicans are really just turncoat Democrats, who want Democrats to provide leadership and to run Congress. The problem with a Republican majority is that it causes Republicans to have to actually have to 'do something', which is what most of them spend their entire careers trying to avoid. Now, when they are put under the spotlight and are being forced to choose between Democrat or Republican leadership, their heads spin around and around with confusion. They want so much to vote Democrat but cannot because of political appearances. The RINO Republicans want to vote Democrat, but at the same time they do not want to show their true colors.

So, they hem and haw, avoid and distract, delay and hide, until they absolutely have no choice.

 

The only thing I would add is some of these "conservative" Establishment Loyalists want the system to remain the way it is because they have a big say in how money is spent and because of this the lobbyists and various industries, that benefit from the spending, make sure they are very well funded. The last thing they want are appropriation bills debated in an open forum. 

[bilo]

No, this is 100% politics, pure and simple.  It is about influence and perks and ego.  It has nothing to do with issues.

Those who allied themselves with the GOP leadership got certain perks.  And those people are now pissed off that their perks are going away.

Among those perks is the funding of campaigns from the lobbyists. If we end up debating appropriation bills in an open forum it's going to get a lot tougher to pay businesses for goods and services we don't need.