LIVE THREAD...Second Republican Presidential Primary Debate

[Kamaji]

There is absolutely nothing inconsistent with the governor of a red state opposing a federal spending program, but nevertheless taking the money for his state if the spending happens anyway.  The people of his state are being taxes for that spending, or at a minimum, are incurring their share of an increased burden of a growing federal debt.  It would be manifestly unfair to the citizens of that state to pay for a program whose benefits go only to other states, but whose burdens they must bear anyway.   

[jmyrlefuller]

"Because he got bad advice from...somebody."

"Because people would have been mad at him."

(changes the subject to some spurious out-of-context DeSantis tweet)

Isn't that right?

[jmyrlefuller]

I really don't know what the point of this debate even was.

Eventually there are some decisions that need to be made. Each of these candidates needs to take a good, hard look at why they're in this race—and if there is some other way of achieving their goals in some other fashion. Assuming these races are not being run for their own narcissism, most of these candidates could drop out and endorse another, stronger candidate.

But we need a strong candidate. We can't let Donald Trump and the absolute evil b*****ds who do his bidding here and elsewhere keep running roughshod over his country. We're in deep trouble on almost every front, and Trump has made almost all of them worse. The only hope of doing that short of Trump dying—and it is absolutely sad that wishing death upon someone is the only way to stop a runaway maniac—is to put up a united front and take these trolls on head-on. Because that's also what it's going to take to take down the Democrats' machine. Drain the swamp, if you will. Trump had his chance and blew it. It's time for someone who can.

[sneakypete]

I really don't know what the point of this debate even was.

Eventually there are some decisions that need to be made. Each of these candidates needs to take a good, hard look at why they're in this race—and if there is some other way of achieving their goals in some other fashion. Assuming these races are not being run for their own narcissism, most of these candidates could drop out and endorse another, stronger candidate.

But we need a strong candidate. We can't let Donald Trump and the absolute evil b*****ds who do his bidding here and elsewhere keep running roughshod over his country. We're in deep trouble on almost every front, and Trump has made almost all of them worse. The only hope of doing that short of Trump dying—and it is absolutely sad that wishing death upon someone is the only way to stop a runaway maniac—is to put up a united front and take these trolls on head-on. Because that's also what it's going to take to take down the Democrats' machine. Drain the swamp, if you will. Trump had his chance and blew it. It's time for someone who can.

@jmyrlefuller

Jealousy and envy are NEVER pretty,but you seem to add a "special something" to it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I really don't know what the point of this debate even was.

Well...I don't know if there has to be a "point", other than we are coming up to a presidential primary season, so voters want to see the candidates debate.  I'm not trying to be a pendant -- I'm just pointing out that there really isn't a some kind of coherent purpose to the debates other than to give the candidates that want to debate the opportunity to do so.  Their specific motives are their own, and may not match ours.

Eventually there are some decisions that need to be made. Each of these candidates needs to take a good, hard look at why they're in this race—and if there is some other way of achieving their goals in some other fashion. Assuming these races are not being run for their own narcissism, most of these candidates could drop out and endorse another, stronger candidate.

I agree...but what you/I would say they should to in the name of some higher goal may not fit for each of those candidates. who are participating.

But we need a strong candidate. We can't let Donald Trump and the absolute evil b*****ds who do his bidding here and elsewhere keep running roughshod over his country. We're in deep trouble on almost every front, and Trump has made almost all of them worse. The only hope of doing that short of Trump dying—and it is absolutely sad that wishing death upon someone is the only way to stop a runaway maniac—is to put up a united front and take these trolls on head-on. Because that's also what it's going to take to take down the Democrats' machine. Drain the swamp, if you will. Trump had his chance and blew it. It's time for someone who can.

I agree again, but I don't think that can fairly be said to be "the purpose" of the debates, or even the goal of most of the candidates.  I think Pence is in there to defend himself/improve his legacy after being smeared for doing his duty on January 6.  Some of them -- Ramaswamy for sure, and maybe Haley -- are angling for jobs in a potential Trump Administration, so their goal, or at least a secondary goal, is to sabotage any non-Trump challenger except for themselves.  So while those of us who are anti-Trump basically are just looking for a No. 1 challenger to emerge so that folks can rally around him/her, that isn't the priority of some of those candidates who only want that to happen if they happen to be the one who emerges.

I wish it were different, but I think some of them are just so enthralled by the slightest possibility that they could be the one to emerge that they just don't want to give that up.  And by the time they do drop out, it may be too late to stop Trump.

[libertybele]

The debates have already been turned on their sides and it appears that the GOP voting base already has their nominee decided for them.

What I find astounding is the fact that Trump supporters ignore the fact of all the felonies that the left has racked up against him and their never ending witch hunt. So, hypothetically, what happens if Trump is unable to run in the end, then what??

[bigheadfred]

Did anyone watching catch this?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/09/27/breaking-desantis-will-support-15-week-federal-protections-for-the-unborn/

BREAKING: DeSantis Will Support 15-Week Federal Protections for the Unborn

Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ campaign confirmed to The Daily Signal on Wednesday evening that he will support 15-week protections for the unborn.

In audio of the debate following DeSantis’ response to an abortion question, candidate Sen. Tim Scott can be heard asking DeSantis if he would support legislation banning abortions of babies after 15 weeks.

“Yes, I will,” DeSantis responds.

His campaign confirmed to The Daily Signal that he did indeed make this statement. Scott, Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, and former Vice President Mike Pence have also pledged to sign 15-week protections.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm actively looking third party in 2024 I think...

[LMAO]

I'm actively looking third party in 2024 I think...

I may end up joining you

[Wingnut]

I may end up joining you

Me too. 

[libertybele]

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[Right_in_Virginia]

How the auditions went----

[corbe]

   And he expects all than other Ramaswamy and Tim Scott people to vote for him. 
   Each day he surpasses my idea of how much a rich, rude, orange, fat guy can stupp to the levels of stupidity and still get your vote.  @Right_in_Virginia .

[sneakypete]

   And he expects all than other Ramaswamy and Tim Scott people to vote for him. 
   Each day he surpasses my idea of how much a rich, rude, orange, fat guy can stupp to the levels of stupidity and still get your vote.  @Right_in_Virginia .

@corbe

Which is why you and other hate him.

Jealousy.

[catfish1957]

I find incredibly ironic that BITCH Nikki Haley can call anyone "scum" !!!!!

Nikki....take your flag and monument destroying ass back to freakin' India!!!!!  You were woke before it was fashionable.  FU!!!!

I despise you even more than Trump!!!!

[catfish1957]

Me too.

Me three!!!

[catfish1957]

THE CONSTITUTION PARTY

Mission Statement:

The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions.


Twelve Key Issues:


States’ Powers

Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people.

Education

Since the Constitution grants the Federal Government no authority over Education, the 10th Amendment applies. This includes funding.

Gun Rights

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Foreign Policy, Defense, & Terrorism

American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, with no entanglement in foreign alliances, is paramount. Any and all wars must be declared by Congress.

Veterans

We vigorously resist the attempt by any government agency to nullify or reduce earned benefits to veterans and their survivors, including but not limited to, compensation, pensions, education, and health care.


Immigration

The Constitution Party has long been the only national political party to stand firmly against the proposals for a “Pathway to Citizenship/Comprehensive Immigration Reform/Amnesty” that come out of Washington.


Treaties & Trade Deals

We believe firmly that any so-called free trade deals and/or treaties that usurp American Sovereignty and/or the Constitution are unconstitutional and we should withdraw from them immediately.
United Nations, Agenda 21, & Global Organizations

We vehemently oppose Agenda 21 and feel we should part ways with the UN and any other global agency that attempts to subvert American Sovereignty.

Religious Freedom

All Americans have equal right to worship according to their beliefs. Government is to be kept out of the religious realm.

Healthcare & Social Security

We believe in the privatization of Healthcare and Social Security, with Social Security being phased out.

Judiciary

We reject the notion that the Supreme Court’s decisions are binding as law beyond those parties to whom the case pertained. Activist Judges should be impeached, as permissible by the Constitution.

Drugs

The federal government’s only responsibility in preventing drug abuse is to control our borders. Drugs are a state issue.

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https://constitutionparty.com/

Sad...  that even the most conservative appearing alternative doesn't even mention the deficit and fiscal restraint in our government.  That shows how bad it's gotten.

[catfish1957]

I am not a Vivek supporter, but this is the best minute and a half of debate footage of the past 30 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAHisd1U9UY

[Right_in_Virginia]

[mountaineer]

Vivek was certainly on the money on some things last night, but ...

... Keep in mind though, that up until around a year and a half ago, Vivek was spouting a completely different political philosophy.

He is a rank opportunist and car salesman who sat down back in early 2021 and crafted himself a new persona/pitch for voters.

He's exceptionally good at this, finding what themes/issues/positions will garner him the most GOP/MAGA support and learning to deliver remarks emphasizing them.

Now, having said that, he's right about everything he said last night about the Fake News and the GOP UniParty both being in cahoots with trying to take Trump OUT with the Russian collusion hoax.   ...

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1722696430354125163

[rangerrebew]

They will blithely ignore Ramaswamy’s WAKE-UP! call, mainly because most of them are already “WOKE”
VIVA Vivek! Ramaswamy Roasts RINOs Putting Truth Before Ego at Last Night’s Televised Presidential Debate Debacle
Judi McLeod image
By Judi McLeod ——Bio and Archives--November 9, 2023
 

Many already knew the uselessness of GOP-controlled televised presidential debates long before last night’s NBC-moderated disaster.

Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, still young enough to believe that the Truth really matters, pressed the Alert Button on all GOP contenders headed for certain election night defeat, like lemmings heading for the proverbial fall off the cliff.
 

The Truth always hurts—but not for long when the egos of GOP contenders continue to completely smother any trace of reality.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/viva-vivek-ramaswamy-roasts-rinos-putting-truth-before-ego-at-last-nights-televised-presidential-debate-debacle

[NavyCanDo]

With any luck that will be the last debate we see Vivek in. Thr next debate he would have to have better poll numbers to qualify.    The guy is an embarrassment.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

With any luck that will be the last debate we see Vivek in. ....    The guy is an embarrassment.

To who?

[NavyCanDo]

To who?

To who?   To any Reagan Republican.

[DCPatriot]

To who?   To any Reagan Republican.

The Republican Party, is The Embarrassment.