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Fact is... in essence, withholding/refusing to vote for the GOP Nominee for POTUS you are assisting Obama in the destructive 'Transformation' of the USA.

NOT A SERMON...just a suggestion.

Here we go again --- I will NOT vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a conservative direction. If that means voting third party or just down ballot, that does NOT mean I am assisting O'Bammy. 

You can look at it however you want, but I refuse to vote for anyone other than a conservative.  At the end of the day in the long run, not voting for a conservative under the GOP umbrella gets you the some results as voting for a DEM. 
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Fact is... in essence, withholding/refusing to vote for the GOP Nominee for POTUS you are assisting Obama in the destructive 'Transformation' of the USA.

NOT A SERMON...just a suggestion.

A tired argument, already defeated many, many times. And one that gives license to Republicans without measure.

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Fact is... in essence, withholding/refusing to vote for the GOP Nominee for POTUS you are assisting Obama in the destructive 'Transformation' of the USA.

Feeding the swamp with massive deficit spending covered by devaluing the currency is the primary factor in Obamaesque destructive transformation of the USA.  Fact.  And for some unknown reason, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it.
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Fact is... in essence, withholding/refusing to vote for the GOP Nominee for POTUS you are assisting Obama in the destructive 'Transformation' of the USA.

NOT A SERMON...just a suggestion.
Wait, you mean like certain Trump supporters have said they would do? 

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Wait, you mean like certain Trump supporters have said they would do?

But that's different.
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Here we go again --- I will NOT vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a conservative direction. If that means voting third party or just down ballot, that does NOT mean I am assisting O'Bammy. 

You can look at it however you want, but I refuse to vote for anyone other than a conservative.  At the end of the day in the long run, not voting for a conservative under the GOP umbrella gets you the some results as voting for a DEM.

Look... I'm not doing anything here but stating a FACT!

You all can dress it up anyway you want.

You guys are fighting  STILL Conservatism v Liberalism/Progressivism. Like a platoon of Japanese soldiers living somewhere in the Philippine jungle fighting WWII.

The Enemy is Clear.

If you all don't get your head out your collective asses, you're going to be classified someday as Guerillas.

Screw your "Conservatism".  And guess what??  Looking at the landscape of America today, Ronald Reagan would agree with me.

WIN THE FK'N ELECTION!!


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Look... I'm not doing anything here but stating a FACT!

You all can dress it up anyway you want.

You guys are fighting  STILL Conservatism v Liberalism/Progressivism. Like a platoon of Japanese soldiers living somewhere in the Philippine jungle fighting WWII.

The Enemy is Clear.

If you all don't get your head out your collective asses, you're going to be classified someday as Guerillas.

Screw your "Conservatism".  And guess what??  Looking at the landscape of America today, Ronald Reagan would agree with me.

WIN THE FK'N ELECTION!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGnKpE4NCI

Your opinion does not constitute a 'fact' @DCPatriot
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Your opinion does not constitute a 'fact' @DCPatriot

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LOL!  I use simple math to come to my conclusion.

Me and Johann Sebastian Bach.    888high58888
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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Look... I'm not doing anything here but stating a FACT!

You all can dress it up anyway you want.

You guys are fighting  STILL Conservatism v Liberalism/Progressivism. Like a platoon of Japanese soldiers living somewhere in the Philippine jungle fighting WWII.

The Enemy is Clear.

If you all don't get your head out your collective asses, you're going to be classified someday as Guerillas.

Screw your "Conservatism".  And guess what??  Looking at the landscape of America today, Ronald Reagan would agree with me.

WIN THE FK'N ELECTION!!

No, Reagan would not agree with you. Empowering RINOs to assist in the liberal subjugation of this country is unconscionable. I will have no hand in it.

You want my vote, start acting like Republicans and Conservatives.

Liberalism is not winning by its merit. It has no merit.
It is winning because t has no opposition.


NO MORE throwing conservatives under the bus. I will not be moved.

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Feeding the swamp with massive deficit spending covered by devaluing the currency is the primary factor in Obamaesque destructive transformation of the USA.  Fact.  And for some unknown reason, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it.

Because it’s “their guy” doing what you listed
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Feeding the swamp with massive deficit spending covered by devaluing the currency is the primary factor in Obamaesque destructive transformation of the USA.  Fact.  And for some unknown reason, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it.

Because it’s “their guy” doing what you listed

That's right.

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I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

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Look... I'm not doing anything here but stating a FACT!

You all can dress it up anyway you want.

You guys are fighting  STILL Conservatism v Liberalism/Progressivism. Like a platoon of Japanese soldiers living somewhere in the Philippine jungle fighting WWII.

The Enemy is Clear.

Yes it is.  the Enemy is Big Government.  And the only way to defeat the enemy is to stop funding it.  Unfortunately, Trump isn't that person.  The Enemy grew substantially.  As for these Democrats you are afraid of?  They get their power from government spending.  Every single one of them.  And your boy Trump funded the hell out of them.

FACT.
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Fact is... in essence, withholding/refusing to vote for the GOP Nominee for POTUS you are assisting Obama in the destructive 'Transformation' of the USA.

NOT A SERMON...just a suggestion.

The exact same thing applies to Trump and him saying he would not support 3-4 of the current contenders if they won the nomination.

So what does that say about him?

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The exact same thing applies to Trump and him saying he would not support 3-4 of the current contenders if they won the nomination.

So what does that say about him?

Not supporting doesn't mean not voting for...in his circles.

It means not endorsing ...showing public support.

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Not supporting doesn't mean not voting for...in his circles.

It means not endorsing ...showing public support.

That's even worse.  Much worse.

You are criticizing people because their inaction of not voting helps enables the election of Joe Biden.  But for ordinary individual citizens, that inaction only results in the loss of one vote.

In the case of a political leader like Trump with a large following, his failure to publicly support the nominee could potentially cost the GOP nominee millions of votes.  That would do far more to enable the election of Joe Biden than one average citizen withholding their own single vote.


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The great myth!

Conservatives have played this game for generations, "it's not us who have allowed uncontrolled deficit spending to create a debt bomb, it's the other guys".

Conservatives have claimed they stand on principal and nothing changes. Trump comes along and all of a sudden a border wall starts getting built. SCOTUS judges are nominated who end up putting an end to Roe v. Wade. China is actually confronted on trade policy and the loss of manufacturing is addressed. I think I will stick with the populists who put America First and not the conservatives who are controlled by the donor class, talk a big game and never get anything done.

I like DeSantis because he falls in line with the Populists. I think he would be a great POTUS. However, this time around it has got to be TRUMP. For me this decision is easy. I don't want to see the republic destroyed by the lawfare being perpetuated by the Rats and ignored by the conservatives.
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That's even worse.  Much worse.

You are criticizing people because their inaction of not voting helps enables the election of Joe Biden.

Voting for Trump in 2016 is what enabled the election of Joe Biden in 2020.

Consider the second election results.  The contrast between Donald Trump against Conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Ron DeSantis is startling.

Reagan:

1980 - 50.7%
1984 - 58.8%         (+8.1)


DeSantis:

1918 - 49.6%
1922 - 59.4%         (+9.8)


Trump:

2016 - 46.1%
2020 - 46.8%         (+0.7)





This is what you guys are pushing, @DCPatriot
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The great myth!

Conservatives have played this game for generations, "it's not us who have allowed uncontrolled deficit spending to create a debt bomb, it's the other guys".

Conservatives have claimed they stand on principal and nothing changes. Trump comes along and all of a sudden a border wall starts getting built. SCOTUS judges are nominated who end up putting an end to Roe v. Wade. China is actually confronted on trade policy and the loss of manufacturing is addressed. I think I will stick with the populists who put America First and not the conservatives who are controlled by the donor class, talk a big game and never get anything done.

I like DeSantis because he falls in line with the Populists. I think he would be a great POTUS. However, this time around it has got to be TRUMP. For me this decision is easy. I don't want to see the republic destroyed by the lawfare being perpetuated by the Rats and ignored by the conservatives.

HAHAHA! at what expense? Trillions upon tens of trillions... Because populists have no sense of future. And the destruction of liberties... Again, because populism can't see farther than their nose, and cannot see the implications and precedents that were set. This is the 'candy from the front of the parade' effect - Point to one or two successes and a host of temporary EOs, and entirely ignore the tremendous damage caused.

Lawfare? What exactly does it fix if he's elected? What can he do with that? NOTHING. You fight lawfare in the court. You win and countersue, and win a huge pile of money - THAT's what keeps them from trying it again. Winning the presidency does nothing at all.

And no... Your ire should be turned toward the moderates -The NEOCONS of the Republican moderate wing.  They are the ones in power, and have held those levers of power almost all the way along.

The Conservative wing - The Goldwater/Reagan wing has moved the ball when they can. In fact the only times that Republicans acted like Republicans promised, The Conservatives were moving the ball (Reagan, the 94 Congress, The TEA Party), and driving almost every individual Conservative success.

DeSantis IS a Conservative, not a populist, and not aligned with populists' false promises in any way

It is the moderates who hold the power, and the flatulence of populists who have no  vision longer than their nose that sucks the wind out of the Conservative movement. And that's how it's always been. Those are the things that STOP Conservatism.

Your idea of how thing are is just wrong. Stop listening to the rah-rah crowd and think.

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The great myth!

Conservatives have played this game for generations, "it's not us who have allowed uncontrolled deficit spending to create a debt bomb, it's the other guys".

Conservatives have claimed they stand on principal and nothing changes. Trump comes along and all of a sudden a border wall starts getting built. SCOTUS judges are nominated who end up putting an end to Roe v. Wade. China is actually confronted on trade policy and the loss of manufacturing is addressed. I think I will stick with the populists who put America First and not the conservatives who are controlled by the donor class, talk a big game and never get anything done.

I like DeSantis because he falls in line with the Populists. I think he would be a great POTUS. However, this time around it has got to be TRUMP. For me this decision is easy. I don't want to see the republic destroyed by the lawfare being perpetuated by the Rats and ignored by the conservatives.

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Well stated!
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Voting for Trump in 2016 is what enabled the election of Joe Biden in 2020.

Consider the second election results.  The contrast between Donald Trump against Conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Ron DeSantis is startling.

Reagan:

1980 - 50.7%
1984 - 58.8%         (+8.1)


DeSantis:

1918 - 49.6%
1922 - 59.4%         (+9.8)


Trump:

2016 - 46.1%
2020 - 46.8%         (+0.7)





This is what you guys are pushing, @DCPatriot

@Hoodat

You are more full of "biden" than a Christmas goose.

ANYTHING to justify your stand,right?
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HAHAHA! at what expense? Trillions upon tens of trillions... Because populists have no sense of future. And the destruction of liberties... Again, because populism can't see farther than their nose, and cannot see the implications and precedents that were set. This is the 'candy from the front of the parade' effect - Point to one or two successes and a host of temporary EOs, and entirely ignore the tremendous damage caused.

Lawfare? What exactly does it fix if he's elected? What can he do with that? NOTHING. You fight lawfare in the court. You win and countersue, and win a huge pile of money - THAT's what keeps them from trying it again. Winning the presidency does nothing at all.

And no... Your ire should be turned toward the moderates -The NEOCONS of the Republican moderate wing.  They are the ones in power, and have held those levers of power almost all the way along.

The Conservative wing - The Goldwater/Reagan wing has moved the ball when they can. In fact the only times that Republicans acted like Republicans promised, The Conservatives were moving the ball (Reagan, the 94 Congress, The TEA Party), and driving almost every individual Conservative success.

DeSantis IS a Conservative, not a populist, and not aligned with populists' false promises in any way

It is the moderates who hold the power, and the flatulence of populists who have no  vision longer than their nose that sucks the wind out of the Conservative movement. And that's how it's always been. Those are the things that STOP Conservatism.

Your idea of how thing are is just wrong. Stop listening to the rah-rah crowd and think.

@roamer_1

And THERE you are justifying the "invasion"  of America by foreigners because  you are terrified that you might be taxed for putting up a wall and guarding it.

NO THOUGHT WHATSOEVER as to what these foreign invaders are going to cost us in the long run,both  in taxes and the loss of our country,because with people like you it is all about  "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"
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   @sneakypete you continue to paint with a broad brush.   

TTIUWP:

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   @sneakypete you continue to paint with a broad brush.   

TTIUWP:



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She could be my new friend if she would play her cards right.
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