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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2023, 10:21:05 am »
Any word on this ruling yet?

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2023, 10:21:36 am »
I'm cautiously optimistic.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2023, 10:24:33 am »
Any word on this ruling yet?

Discussing

Supreme Court rules in favor of Christian designer in gay wedding website case

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The Supreme Court ruled Friday that Colorado cannot require an evangelical Christian web designer to provide same-sex wedding websites that she argued was in violation of her conscience.

The court found that the state’s anti-discrimination law violates Lorie Smith’s free speech rights under the First Amendment by demanding that she create same-sex wedding websites if she wants to do so for opposite-sex unions.

The decision narrows states’ ability to apply public accommodation laws to artists, dealing a significant blow to LGBTQ advocates.

Justice Neil Gorsuch authored the majority opinion, writing for himself and the court’s five other conservatives.

“But, as this Court has long held, the opportunity to think for ourselves and to express those thoughts freely is among our most cherished liberties and part of what keeps our Republic strong,” Gorsuch wrote. “Of course, abiding the Constitution’s commitment to the freedom of speech means all of us will encounter ideas we consider ‘unattractive.’”

The court’s three liberal justices, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, dissented.


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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2023, 10:38:46 am »
Here we go...

SCOTUS struck down Biden's student loan forgiveness.....waiting more info
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2023, 10:40:15 am »
This is turning out to be a great week.   :patriot:
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2023, 10:40:27 am »
The Supreme Court just ruled on Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan
Published Fri, Jun 30 202310:36 AM EDTUpdated Moments Ago

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The Supreme Court on Friday struck down President Joe Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan, denying tens of millions of Americans the chance to get up to $20,000 of their debt erased.

The justices heard oral arguments at the end of February.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2023, 10:40:41 am »
The Supreme Court has ruled 6-3 that Joe Biden CANNOT unilaterally cancel student loan debt!!!!

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2023, 10:41:49 am »
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Biden's student loan debt amnesty is dead! SCOTUS holds 6-3 that transferring half a trillion dollars from borrowers to all taxpayers is not authorized in HEROES. Huge win for taxpayers and future students!
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2023, 10:42:04 am »
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Cool!

(sorry for my two earlier posts; I was looking at the companion case that was brought by two borrowers; they lost on standing grounds unanimously).

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ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which THOMAS, ALITO, GORSUCH, KAVANAUGH, and BARRETT, JJ., joined. BARRETT, J.,
filed a concurring opinion. KAGAN, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SOTOMAYOR and JACKSON, JJ., joined.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2023, 10:42:25 am »
This is turning out to be a great week.   :patriot:

Increase security around the Justices ----- now!

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2023, 10:42:58 am »
This is turning out to be a great week.   :patriot:

Yes, it is.

However, it also means that there is going to be increased pressure to pack the Court to undo these decisions, which we will all have to guard against.

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2023, 10:44:13 am »
The rationale in the decision is going to be very interesting.  It's one thing to say that the HEROED act did not authorize the loan forgiveness.  That's obviously a very big deal, but it is limited to that one act.

The bigger deal would be if the court found that even if the act did authorize it, that would be an unconstitutional delegation of congressional authority to the president. That's a bigger deal that might have a ripple effect in other cases.

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2023, 10:46:00 am »
The rationale in the decision is going to be very interesting.  It's one thing to say that the HEROED act did not authorize the loan forgiveness.  That's obviously a very big deal, but it is limited to that one act.

The bigger deal would be if the court found that even if the act did authorize it, that would be an unconstitutional delegation of congressional authority to the president. That's a bigger deal that might have a ripple effect in other cases.

I don't believe it goes that far.  It's primarily a creature of statutory interpretation.

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Biden knew this was illegal. Everyone knew this was illegal. That he tried to do it anyway, in violation of his oath of office, remains a monumental disgrace.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2023, 10:47:24 am »
I don't believe it goes that far.  It's primarily a creature of statutory interpretation.

I guess he's still reading, but you may be right. Roberts tends to prefer his decisions to be narrow, and reaching the second issue is unnecessary if you find the language isn't even in the law itself.

ETA:  looks like you're right - delegation issue wasn't discussed.
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HAHAHAHAHA Justice Roberts cited Nancy Pelosi in the majority opinion when she said Biden doesn't have the power to cancel student debt.



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Under this Supreme Court 

Roe v Wade = GONE

Affirmative Action = GONE

Student Loan Forgiveness = GONE

Constitutional Carry = SECURED

Business Religious Freedom = SECURED

Say those 4 little words:  Thank you, Donald Trump
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Biden offered to have your college debt cancelled because he knew it would never happen.

Unconstitutional from the start.

The same way they be doing on reparations.

Sit your asses down!
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A spectacular day for Donald Trump whose three conservative picks for SCOTUS were integral to the historic decisions yesterday and today. Major feather in his cap and will likely (& rightfully) be touted by his campaign in coming months.

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Yep. Vote buying, plain and simple, only he knew he wouldn't have to actually pay out. 
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Under this Supreme Court 

Roe v Wade = GONE

Affirmative Action = GONE

Student Loan Forgiveness = GONE

Constitutional Carry = SECURED

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Say those 4 little words:  Thank you, Donald Trump

And thank you to George H.W Bush, and to George W. Bush, for appointing the other 3 Justices who made up the 6-3 majority in those cases.

Guess we should elect more guys like that, huh?
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Better to say, Thank you Mitch McConnell.  Without McConnell, none of the three justices appointed under Trump would have made it to the Court.

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Better to say, Thank you Mitch McConnell.  Without McConnell, none of the three justices appointed under Trump would have made it to the Court.

Exactly...no matter what you think of McConnell he did push these 3 Justices through the Senate.
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A win on affirmative action

A win on religious liberty

A win on student loans

Liberals are having that kind of day

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A win on affirmative action

A win on religious liberty

A win on student loans

Liberals are having that kind of day

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Now the real fight begins ......

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Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action programs in college admissions

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In a historic decision, the Supreme Court severely limited, if not effectively ended, the use of affirmative action in college admissions on Thursday. By a vote of 6-3, the justices ruled that the admissions programs used by the University of North Carolina and Harvard College violate the Constitution’s equal protection clause, which bars racial discrimination by government entities.

Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts explained that college admissions programs can consider race merely to allow an applicant to explain how their race influenced their character in a way that would have a concrete effect on the university. But a student “must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual — not on the basis of race,” Roberts wrote. The majority effectively, though not explicitly, overruled its 2003 decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, in which the court upheld the University of Michigan Law School’s consideration of race “as one factor among many, in an effort to assemble a student body that is diverse in ways broader than race.” Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett joined the Roberts opinion.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor – a graduate of Princeton and Yale Law School who once called herself “the perfect affirmative action baby” – dissented, in an opinion that was joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson. Sotomayor emphasized that the majority’s decision had rolled “back decades of precedent and momentous progress” and “cement[ed] a superficial rule of colorblindness as a constitutional principle in an endemically segregated society.”

Thursday’s ruling was the latest in a series of challenges to the role of race in university admissions. In both the North Carolina and Harvard cases, the plaintiffs had asked the justices to overrule Grutter. In her opinion for the majority in that case, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor reaffirmed that “student body diversity is a compelling state interest that can justify the use of race in university admissions,” but she warned that race-conscious admissions policies should not last forever. In 25 years, she suggested, “the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest” in diversity.

Eleven years after the court’s decision in Grutter, a group called Students for Fair Admissions filed the North Carolina and Harvard cases in federal court. The group was founded by Edward Blum, a conservative activist who had also spearheaded a challenge to the admissions policy at the University of Texas at Austin as well as to Shelby County v. Holder, the 2013 case that narrowed the Voting Rights Act.

After the lower courts upheld both North Carolina’s and Harvard’s admissions policies, the Blum’s group came to the Supreme Court, where it asked the justices to overrule their decision in Grutter and bar the consideration of race in university admissions altogether. The court that agreed to take up both cases last year was a very different, and much more conservative, court than the one that had upheld the UT-Austin policy seven years before. Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the UT-Austin decision, retired in 2018 and was replaced by Justice Brett Kavanaugh, while Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was succeeded by Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

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Exactly...no matter what you think of McConnell he did push these 3 Justices through the Senate.

Especially after he held off Obama on Garland by insisting that the confirmation process take place after the election in 2016, and then moving Barrett forward even though the 2020 election was around the corner.  That took a lot of chutzpah, and courage.

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Exactly...no matter what you think of McConnell he did push these 3 Justices through the Senate.
. And that is freaking huge.

Also have to give him extra credit for holding up the nomination of Garland.  He took a tremendous amount of heat for doing that, and I remember all sorts of conservatives saying with certainty that he would fold at the last minute and give the Democrats their nomination. But he never did.

That decision was the margin of victory in overturning Roe.

McConnell thinks very strategically.  He balances the likely response of the voting public with the likelihood of winning on an issue, and how important that issue actually is. That means there are times he gives way on conservative issues because he doesn't believe the political blowback is worth the benefit.  That's particularly true when he doesn't believe there is a significant chance of  a bill actually being signed into law.

But the Democrats deeply despise him because he ends up being so effective in the long run.   What's funny to me is the guy knows how many conservatives despise him for thinking he's wishy-washy in a traitor, but he doesn't care.  His goal is to have his conservative a country as we can long-term, and he's willing to take the heat to make that happen.

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This disappointing and cruel student debt ruling shows the callousness of the MAGA Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

The fight will not end here.

The Biden administration has remaining legal routes to provide broad-based student debt cancellation.
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This disappointing and cruel student debt ruling shows the callousness of the MAGA Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

The fight will not end here.

The Biden administration has remaining legal routes to provide broad-based student debt cancellation.

Chuckie, if student loan forgiveness is such a good thing, then get it enacted in Congress!!!!

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One could call this week Joe Biden's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week. And imagine a world without Trump's 2016 victory and the subsequent makeup of the Supreme Court. Elections have consequences, and the GOP nominee would be wise to hammer that point home.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2023, 11:23:05 am »
Better to say, Thank you Mitch McConnell.  Without McConnell, none of the three justices appointed under Trump would have made it to the Court.

And, yet.....had McConnell not done his job, it would have been somehow, someway, unquestionably Trump's fault.  :laugh:

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This disappointing and cruel student debt ruling shows the callousness of the MAGA Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

The fight will not end here.

The Biden administration has remaining legal routes to provide broad-based student debt cancellation.

"Callousness."

Once again, Chucky shows he has no idea of what the Supreme Court's role in our form of government is actually supposed to be.

Arguments regarding "callousness" are properly made to Congress.

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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2023, 11:29:07 am »
"Callousness."

Once again, Chucky shows he has no idea of what the Supreme Court's role in our form of government is actually supposed to be.

Arguments regarding "callousness" are properly made to Congress.

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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2023, 11:29:56 am »
And, yet.....had McConnell not done his job, it would have been somehow, someway, unquestionably Trump's fault.  :laugh:

Not in my book.  I'm just grateful that the little orange bitch had enough common sense to do what McConnell told him to do.

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Re: SCOTUS Ruling on Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness...struck down
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2023, 11:37:30 am »
And, yet.....had McConnell not done his job, it would have been somehow, someway, unquestionably Trump's fault.  :laugh:

Poor little orange baby. Everybody always picks on him....

McConnell holding the Republican Senate firm to deny Garland's appointment in 2020, and to confirm those three nominees had nothing to do with Trump.  That was all McConnell.

The only reason he was able to hold the Senate GOP together was because he called in all the markers he had on people like Murkowski and other RINO senators.  Basically, he told the members of that caucus that he had always stuck by them, and this was the time for payback.

That's the reason why he always supports incumbents in the primaries.  He views loyalty to members of his caucus as a two-way street that gives him massive leverage when whenever he needs to go to the arm-twisting mat.
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Re: SCOTUS Ruling on Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness...struck down
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2023, 11:40:27 am »
Poor little orange baby. Everybody always picks on him....

McConnell holding the Republican Senate firm to deny Garland's appointment in 2020, and to confirm those three nominees had nothing to do with Trump.  That was all McConnell.

The only reason he was able to hold the Senate GOP together was because he called in all the markers he had on people like Murkowski and other RINO senators.  Basically, he told the members of that caucus that he had always stuck by them, and this was the time for payback.

That's the reason why he always supports incumbents in the primaries.  He views loyalty to members of his caucus as a two-way street that gives him massive leverage when whenever he needs to go to the arm-twisting mat.

Exactly.

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« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2023, 11:58:06 am »
Poor little orange baby. Everybody always picks on him....

Trump is receiving near universal recognition and kudos for yesterday's and today's court decisions.

Sure, there are the usual pockets of anti-Trump sentiment, but they're predictable and fleeting. 


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Re: SCOTUS Ruling on Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2023, 12:02:03 pm »
This is turning out to be a great week.   :patriot:

And don't forget to thank Donald J. Trump on your way out!   :laugh:
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Re: SCOTUS Ruling on Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness...struck down
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2023, 12:05:24 pm »
James Woods
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Regardless of your opinion about the Trump presidency, his mark on the Supreme Court has been extraordinary. Decision after decision has restored a fundamental constitutionalist perspective to our legal landscape. Trump’s agenda either remade or restored America - your choice.

11:57 AM · Jun 30, 2023

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Re: SCOTUS Ruling on Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness...struck down
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2023, 12:11:50 pm »
Trump is receiving near universal recognition and kudos for yesterday's and today's court decisions.

Sure, there are the usual pockets of anti-Trump sentiment, but they're predictable and fleeting. 



He always did like to take credit for things he had very little to do with.

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Re: SCOTUS Ruling on Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness...struck down
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2023, 12:15:07 pm »
And, yet.....had McConnell not done his job, it would have been somehow, someway, unquestionably Trump's fault.  :laugh:
I think you’re wrong, if McConnell had blown it and not had Trumps picks approved it would be him not Trump blamed.

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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2023, 12:19:59 pm »
Trump is receiving near universal recognition and kudos....

From his predictably hard core supporters, sure.  Wouldn't expect anything else.  Although most of those same supporters seemed to have a remarkably different opinions about these same Justices regarding the 2020 election challenges....

That being said, his promise to select nominees based on Federalist Society recommendations was literally the only reason I voted for him in 2016.  Also think there was nothing particularly remarkable about his picks given that the three Bush appointees all voted the same way.
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