Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida

[Hoodat]

Here's the nub:  Desantis admits in his recent book that Disney speaking out against Florida's Don't Say Gay bill was both his motivation for and what made these changes possible after all these decades.

You're talking about a book that was written months before Florida's "Parental Rights in Education" bill became law.  btw, only liberals (falsely) call it "Florida's Don't Say Gay bill".

[Right_in_Virginia]

That's right - But beyond that, Disney is practicing (with impunity, favor) violations of the Judeo-Christian Ethic.

Where does the Constitution give the government the right to punish or eliminate those who do not act in accordance with your personal interpretation of a religious doctrine?


@roamer_1

[Hoodat]

Where does the Constitution give the government the right to punish or eliminate those who do not act in accordance with your personal interpretation of a religious doctrine?

Amendment X.  For States, anyway.  Not that this is actually what happened.  Hypothetically, of course.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Biden and the left target corporations all the time.

You didn't answer the question asked.

Is it the right thing to do and do you agree with Biden taking action?

[Hoodat]

The Constitutional thing to do here is to apply Equal Protection.  Which is exactly what Governor DeSantis did.

[roamer_1]

Where does the Constitution give the government the right to punish or eliminate those who do not act in accordance with your personal interpretation of a religious doctrine?


@roamer_1

Who said anything about the Constitution?  This is State law. @Right_in_Virginia

And it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with ethics. And ethics are what drive our laws.
There is no ethical (moral) neutral.

[roamer_1]

You didn't answer the question asked.

Is it the right thing to do and do you agree with Biden taking action?

Incidental to the question, as this is state law, which is different than federal, and swings a much wider swath. And even in that, it depends upon the purpose and consequence wrt 'right thing to do'.

[roamer_1]

The Constitutional thing to do here is to apply Equal Protection.  Which is exactly what Governor DeSantis did.

That's right.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Incidental to the question, as this is state law, which is different than federal, and swings a much wider swath. And even in that, it depends upon the purpose and consequence wrt 'right thing to do'.

State law and/or actions cannot strip individuals or entities of rights and protections guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States. Not even Florida.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Constitutional thing to do here is to apply Equal Protection.  Which is exactly what Governor DeSantis did.

No, the thing here is to apply the First Amendment.

[roamer_1]

State law and/or actions cannot strip individuals or entities of rights and protections guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States. Not even Florida.

DeSantis has not stripped rights from anyone, nor attempted to.

[roamer_1]

No, the thing here is to apply the First Amendment.

Nonsense. One cannot imagine a bigger megaphone than Disney has.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Who said anything about the Constitution?  This is State law. @Right_in_Virginia

State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

Here are your previous statements @roamer_1 :

Foremost he rose to protect the principles of the Christian Right, as found in the Greater Judeo-Christian Ethic.

Disney is practicing (with impunity, favor) violations of the Judeo-Christian Ethic

Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

[Right_in_Virginia]

DeSantis has not stripped rights from anyone, nor attempted to.

This is now up to the courts to sort through.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nonsense. One cannot imagine a bigger megaphone than Disney has.

You're helping the plaintiff here     

[Kamaji]

This link has the info I referred to above, https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/chris-queen/2023/05/19/disney-cancels-1-billion-project-in-florida-but-not-for-the-reason-the-media-wants-you-to-believe-n1696612 .

Yup.  A quote from the NYT hitpiece contained in that article:

    The Lake Nona campus, about 20 miles from Disney World near the Orlando International Airport, had been championed by Bob Chapek, who served as Disney’s chief executive from 2020 until he was fired last year. Mr. Iger, who came out of retirement to retake Disney’s reins, was much less enthusiastic about the project — even before the company became mired in its battle with Mr. DeSantis. As soon as he returned to Disney, Mr. Iger began telling lieutenants, for instance, that it made little sense to move Imagineering so far away from Disney’s movie studios. As he is fond of saying, “Creative teams need to be together.”

    Mr. Iger has been systematically reversing Mr. Chapek’s decisions. In February, for instance, he announced that Disney would restructure its inner workings, ending a framework put in place by Mr. Chapek. In March, as part of wide-ranging layoffs, Mr. Iger shut down a 50-person metaverse project that Mr. Chapek had started [emphasis added].

Basically, cancellation of this project had nothing to do with DeSantis.

[Cyber Liberty]

State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

Here are your previous statements @roamer_1 :

Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

Wow!  My Sunday surprise!  You will actually defend the LGBT+ crowd for an opportunity to bash DeSantis.

[Hoodat]

No, the thing here is to apply the First Amendment.

@Right_in_Virginia

Here it is yet again:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

How is the First Amendment being violated?  You have been asked this question each and every time you have brought up the First Amendment.  And each and every time, you fail to make a case.  It leads me to believe that you are simply blurting out whatever crap you read in left-wing DeSantis-bashing narratives with no clue what it means.  And more importantly, no regard for whether it is true or even makes sense.  So again we reach this crossroad.  Except this time, you have had four previous opportunities to analyze whether or not the statement is true.  Which leads me to believe that deep down you know it isn't true, yet you parrot the words anyway in order to deceive others here.  There is a word for people who do that.

So here again is another opportunity for you.  Either show exactly how the First Amendment is related to this conversation, or admit that it does not.  Anything else shows you that 'truth' simply isn't something you care about.  But I suspect we already know the answer to that.

[Hoodat]

Wow!  My Sunday surprise!  You will actually defend the LGBT+ crowd for an opportunity to bash DeSantis.

Amazing, isn't it.

[Hoodat]

Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

Whoa, hold on.  You just switched arguments here.  (See: Logical fallacy - Strawman argument).  How about instead you tell us what law DeSantis broke since that has been the gist of your argument since you began parroting Disney's weak legal arguments on the other thread.

No one here is saying that Disney broke the law (which you know full well).  So how about you backing up your own argument instead.  How is it 'illegal' to apply Equal Protection to companies doing business in Florida?

[Hoodat]

State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

What Constitutional right or protection is being violated here?  Please be specific.  And please don't do what Democrats do by blurting out generic statements of unconstitutionality without being able to explain the violation.  I hate it when people do that.  It lacks intelligence and critical thought.  And more importantly, it lacks integrity.  So don't be one of those people.  Step up and make your case.  Pinpoint the right or protection that is being violated.  Here's a link that you may find helpful:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow!  My Sunday surprise!  You will actually defend the LGBT+ crowd for an opportunity to bash DeSantis.

 @Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What Constitutional right or protection is being violated here?  Please be specific.

Already done multiple times, on this very thread.  Use your scroll buttons and catch up. 

[Hoodat]

@Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.

No, you're  not.

[Hoodat]

Already done multiple times, on this very thread.  Use your scroll buttons and catch up.

Nowhere in this thread or the previous thread have you cited a single word of the Constitution.  Either you can make your case or you cannot.  And so far, it is clear that you cannot.  Yet here you are again piling lie on top of lie.  Do you know what that makes you?

[Hoodat]

Here's Amendment I again for reference.  I'm making it easy for you:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.

I also know that any club will do when trashing DeSantis.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I also know that any club will do when trashing DeSantis.

So, should I assume you're perfectly fine with further weakening the Constitution ----- if it helps DeSantis @Cyber Liberty

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nowhere in this thread or the previous thread have you cited a single word of the Constitution.  Either you can make your case or you cannot.  And so far, it is clear that you cannot.  Yet here you are again piling lie on top of lie.  Do you know what that makes you?

I wasn't talking about Trump.  I was talking about you.  And you accepted it as fact and repeated it on this forum.  But you know this.  Also, you were asked repeatedly to point out how Amendment I had been violated.  And each and every time, you remained silent.  But you know that, too.

I posted reports on the lawsuit with a caution the Supremes ruled corporations have First Amendment protections.....a 5-4 decisions carried by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.

The claim made by the Disney Corporation in their suit (which I pointed out at least half a dozen times) is that the actions taken by DeSantis and his administration are retaliation for their objection to Ron's "Don't Say Gay" bill --- which, they claim, is a violation of their First Amendment rights and protections.

Disney cited chapter and verse the actions taken, Ron's admission in his book what motivated the actions and the very public actions Ron threatened to take in the future, including building a high security prison next to the Disney theme park.

All I've done is report.  So, don't shoot the messenger, bro. 

[Cyber Liberty]

So, should I assume you're perfectly fine with further weakening the Constitution ----- if it helps DeSantis @Cyber Liberty

Its been pointed out to you countless times DeSantis did not break (or bend) the Constitution.

[roamer_1]

State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

No rights were violated.

Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

Quit trying to bend what I said. I very specifically said the matter was about ethics, not religion. The Judeo-Christian Ethic specifically, which is our collective sense of right and wrong. And that Ethic is what stands behind every law.

Who said any law was broken? Who said it was necessary? Had law been broken there would have been arrests, and things would have gone a different direction.

[roamer_1]

@Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.

No, you're not.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Its been pointed out to you countless times DeSantis did not break (or bend) the Constitution.

The usual suspects have knee jerked that opinion to me...but that's to be expected @Cyber Liberty  --

Win, lose or draw in court, Ronny made a self-inflicted strategic blunder ____ and it's going to splash all over the entire Republican party and every Republican candidate.

I posted reports on the lawsuit with a caution the Supremes ruled corporations have First Amendment protections.....a 5-4 decisions carried by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.

The claim made by the Disney Corporation in their suit (which I pointed out at least half a dozen times) is that the actions taken by DeSantis and his administration are retaliation for their objection to Ron's "Don't Say Gay" bill --- which, they claim, is a violation of their First Amendment rights and protections.

Disney cited chapter and verse the actions taken, Ron's admission in his book what motivated the actions and the very public actions Ron threatened to take in the future, including building a high security prison next to the Disney theme park.

All I've done is report.  So, don't shoot the messenger, bro. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

No, you're not.

Discussing this issue with you, I've become more acquainted with your Constitutional acumen.     Stop digging.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

No rights were violated.

That's not up to you, or me, or Ronny.  It's now up to the courts.   

[DCPatriot]

Discussing this issue with you, I've become more acquainted with your Constitutional acumen.     Stop digging.   

  

[bigheadfred]

DeSantis seeks to disqualify judge in Disney case


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/desantis-seeks-to-disqualify-judge-in-disney-case/ar-AA1bqfyo

[Hoodat]

I posted reports on the lawsuit with a caution the Supremes ruled corporations have First Amendment protections.....a 5-4 decisions carried by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.

The claim made by the Disney Corporation in their suit (which I pointed out at least half a dozen times) is that the actions taken by DeSantis and his administration are retaliation for their objection to Ron's "Don't Say Gay" bill --- which, they claim, is a violation of their First Amendment rights and protections.

Disney cited chapter and verse the actions taken, Ron's admission in his book what motivated the actions and the very public actions Ron threatened to take in the future, including building a high security prison next to the Disney theme park.

All I've done is report.  So, don't shoot the messenger, bro. 

So now you pile dishonesty on top of dishonesty?  Here was my response to that week-old post:

In the preceding post, you will find three of your posts that directly contradict your 'I'm only the messenger' schtick.  But then you knew that already.  So option two is the only plausible explanation.  Continue to play dumb about it, showing everyone here that you intentionally posted something that you knew not to be true in order to deceive other posters here.

You aren't a messenger.  You are actively pushing a claim that DeSantis violated the Constitution.  And you continue to do so knowing full well that you can't cite a single passage in the Constitution that is being violated.  In simpler words, you are intentionally pushing a false narrative - one you know not to be true - and you continue to do so again and again even when called on it.  It is the very definition of 'lying'.  It is what liars do.

So I will give you a sixth opportunity to come clean.  Either show how and where the Constitution was violated, or admit that you are full of it and that DeSantis did not do what you have falsely accused him of doing repeatedly.

[Hoodat]

The usual suspects have knee jerked that opinion to me...but that's to be expected @Cyber Liberty  --

Win, lose or draw in court, Ronny made a self-inflicted strategic blunder ____

What was the blunder?

[Hoodat]

DeSantis seeks to disqualify judge in Disney case

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/desantis-seeks-to-disqualify-judge-in-disney-case/ar-AA1bqfyo

DeSantis requesting a judge that is fair and impartial?  Oh the horror!!!

Gotta love that.  A Republican who is willing to fight.  If only Trump had taken that same initiative when dealing with rogue Justice Department employees.

[Kamaji]

@Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.

No, you aren't. 

[Wingnut]

Its been pointed out to you countless times DeSantis did not break (or bend) the Constitution.

The derangement syndrome is strong in that one. 

[roamer_1]

Discussing this issue with you, I've become more acquainted with your Constitutional acumen.     Stop digging.   

As always, resorting to worthless ad hominem... 
Kinda means you're out of bullets... 

[libertybele]

The derangement syndrome is strong in that one.

And getting worse and this is only the beginning of the campaign season.

DeSantis should be making his announcement this week; she'll go full Trumpian.

[Wingnut]

And getting worse and this is only the beginning of the campaign season.

DeSantis should be making his announcement this week; she'll go full Trumpian.

She could go full orange retard.

[libertybele]

She could go full orange retard.

Time to take off the orange colored glasses and start looking at reality.

[Wingnut]

Time to take off the orange colored glasses and start looking at reality.

Trump Leghumping is like Brokeback Mountaining. They don't know how to quit the orange.  It's almost like a gay thing.

[Kamaji]

Discussing this issue with you, I've become more acquainted with your Constitutional acumen.     Stop digging.   

Coming from you, that's rich.  At this point, one is surprised you can even spell the word "constitution" let alone read the words in which it's written.

[cato potatoe]

I thought Donald “allowed for” the termination of the constitution back in December.  She must be citing the new & improved first amendment, as edited by Donald with his sharpie (undoubtedly the same one used to perfect the National Hurricane Center weather map).

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump Leghumping is like Brokeback Mountaining. They don't know how to quit the orange.  It's almost like a gay thing.

You would know.