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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2023, 02:30:14 pm »
And it was the Peoples' elected representatives who rescinded those extraordinary quasi-governmental powers when they felt they were abused.

I cannot believe that folks are defending this plantation.

Remember when people got upset about a Company Store?

This is a store on steroids.  A plantation, if you will.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2023, 02:30:50 pm »
What was Disney's sin?

But, why are those powers being rescinded?

What laws or agreements has Disney violated?

How is this whole exercise not just DeSantis' personal vandetta?

What is DeSantis' legal justification or legal theory for doing this?

... just because he can is valid.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2023, 02:33:44 pm »
And it gives Trump supporters an opportunity to post Topics just to bash DeSantis.  I did not fail to note who posted this one.

Yes indeed.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2023, 02:34:54 pm »
Remember when people got upset about a Company Store?

This is a store on steroids.  A plantation, if you will.

Exactly true - And a most trusted corporation historically - trusted with our children - who has decided to promote woke grooming.

INDEFENSIBLE. If it turned into a smoking crater it would not be enough.

And yet, people defend it.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2023, 02:35:21 pm »
But, why are those powers being rescinded?

What laws or agreements has Disney violated?

How is this whole exercise not just DeSantis' personal vandetta?

Why is motive paramount?  The only legitimate question is:  is proper procedure being followed to rescind those powers that were previously granted?

And given that this does nothing more than put Disney back on a more even playing field with other private for-profit companies, it stretches the imagination beyond all rationality to say that they are being punished for speaking out.

They are losing special privileges because they abused those privileges, and their position in the community, to impose a particular political ideology on the community.


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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2023, 02:41:37 pm »
What was Disney's sin?


REALLY?

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But, why are those powers being rescinded?

What laws or agreements has Disney violated?


Howabout surreptitiously gaining control of its governing board and granting itself total autonomy forever? What agreement is left after that? That is a fiefdom right in the center of Florida with all but a named king.


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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2023, 02:42:39 pm »
Ending special treatment for large corporations is actually a good reason, but that message is not coming across clearly.

That could be a winning populist message if more clearly communicated ... but that puts him in the "corporations need to pay their fare share" camp with the likes of AOC and Bernie Sanders.

Why is motive paramount?  The only legitimate question is:  is proper procedure being followed to rescind those powers that were previously granted?

And given that this does nothing more than put Disney back on a more even playing field with other private for-profit companies, it stretches the imagination beyond all rationality to say that they are being punished for speaking out.

They are losing special privileges because they abused those privileges, and their position in the community, to impose a particular political ideology on the community.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2023, 02:43:56 pm »
Ending special treatment for large corporations is actually a good reason, but that message is not coming across clearly.

That could be a winning populist message if more clearly communicated ... but that puts him in the "corporations need to pay their fare share" camp with the likes of AOC and Bernie Sanders.


Well, with folks like you out there trumpeting the narrative that this is just some underhanded, weasely way of punishing poor, innocent Disney for voicing an opinion, it's not surprising that belief is out there.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2023, 02:59:15 pm »
Optics are optics.  DeSantis didn't start this effort the day he was sworn in to his first term as governor.

If DeSantis wants to position himself as a populist on taxes, he needs to present a platform for Payroll Tax relief and reform.

As a wage earner, my Federal Income Tax rate is higher than corporate and long-term capital gains tax rates.  It gets worse when the Medicare and F.I.C.A tax rates are piled on top of the Federal Income Tax.

Many MAGAs are being subjected to regressive payroll taxation to the benefit of the welfare state and corporations.

Well, with folks like you out there trumpeting the narrative that this is just some underhanded, weasely way of punishing poor, innocent Disney for voicing an opinion, it's not surprising that belief is out there.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2023, 03:01:15 pm »
Optics are optics.  DeSantis didn't start this effort the day he was sworn in to his first term as governor.

If DeSantis wants to position himself as a populist on taxes, he needs to present a platform for Payroll Tax relief and reform.

As a wage earner, my Federal Income Tax rate is higher than corporate and long-term capital gains tax rates.  It gets worse when the Medicare and F.I.C.A tax rates are piled on top of the Federal Income Tax.


Okey-dokey.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2023, 03:41:41 pm »
From what I’ve read (can’t find the link), this ~$1B project is less that 10% of Disney’s ongoing development projects. So it’s a demitasse cup in the 5 gallon bucket of Disney growth in Florida.

As for forced transfer, the people whose jobs would have been moved would have been given months or over a year to make the choice and take the requisite actions to either move or find other employment. It’s not a pleasant choice, BTDTGTTS.

My company gave us 17 months notice. After a month to get organized that included a long planned trans-Atlantic cruise (35th anniversary, not something we do regularly), it took me another 3 months to find another job (it’s like a Karen-employer ritual-statement, but my new job is better). There are lots of tech companies in Silicon Valley. Similarly, there probably are lots of entertainment companies in the LA area.

I wonder whether this decision by Disney will come to bite them. Housing costs in the Land of LA aren’t as high as in Silicon Valley, but I suspect they are high enough (and commute traffic/times awful enough) that Disney is already finding difficulty recruiting new talent out of universities. That recruiting problem was the reason my former employer shut down the division for which I worked. Telling prospects that they would have to live 2 hours’ drive from work and probably would never be able to afford a home in Silicon Valley is not a compelling recruitment message. The same is true for Disney and Land of LA housing costs.
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I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2023, 05:40:53 pm »
I have to hand it to DeSantis.  He's standing on his conservative principles

What conservative principles are these @libertybele ?

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2023, 05:44:14 pm »
And it gives Trump supporters an opportunity to post Topics just to bash DeSantis.  I did not fail to note who posted this one.

If only you knew what I could be posting @Cyber Liberty  :laugh:

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2023, 05:45:16 pm »
What conservative principles are these @libertybele ?

The ones you condemn him for.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2023, 05:47:09 pm »
In a society founded upon Freedom of Thought, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Worship, and individual Liberty, how can any side in the culture wars declare victory without instituting a totalitarian Government?

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2023, 05:47:38 pm »
The ones you condemn him for.

Name them,

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2023, 05:51:04 pm »
What conservative principles are these @libertybele ?

What originated the argument between Disney and DeSantis is the Don't Say Gay bill. DeSantis is standing his ground.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2023, 05:58:45 pm »
What conservative principles are these @libertybele ?
Monogamy, faithfulness, honoring a vow?

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2023, 07:10:37 pm »
DeSantis is a Rat Killer.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2023, 07:18:06 pm »
Actually, as included in my posts, the sources are The New York Times and an interview from the Republican mayor of Miami with The Hill @LMAO

There are dozens are reports on this out on Al Gore's magnificent Internet.  Please, feel free to post one proving your side of this debate ---- whatever the heck that may be ----- is correct.

Your "shoot the messenger" strategy is tiresome.

I’m just going by your discredited posting history

If I recall, didn’t you also post a claim of a Soros endorsement when it came to RDS? You’ve been so thoroughly discredited when it comes to anything regarding RDS on this site that yes, it is fair to shoot the messenger

Remember when you asked  other posters to defend a picture of RDS in his 20’s surrounded by girls with drinks in their hands as that being a new conservative standard when no one could confirm anything beyond it being a pic of a young RDS surrounded by girls with alcohol in their hands? Good times.

So I simply doubted anything you post regarding RDS from that point on. That’s what happens when you’re dishonest. I’ll do my own research when determining if he’s the next conservative savior or not and not regurgitated Trump talking points
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2023, 08:18:45 pm »
Florida has averaged a 3K gain in jobs per month for the last year, so the 2K liberals Disney wants to move here won't affect much.

I also imagine DeSantis' stand on Disney will more than be made up by other businesses now wanting to invest in a state that rejects woke.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2023, 08:25:52 pm »
Florida has averaged a 3K gain in jobs per month for the last year, so the 2K liberals Disney wants to move here won't affect much.

I also imagine DeSantis' stand on Disney will more than be made up by other businesses now wanting to invest in a state that rejects woke.

Nice.  Another feather in DeSantis' cap.


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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2023, 08:56:25 pm »
What originated the argument between Disney and DeSantis is the Don't Say Gay bill. DeSantis is standing his ground.

On what conservative/constitutional principle is DeSantis standing his ground  @libertybele ?






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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2023, 09:14:09 pm »
Monogamy, faithfulness, honoring a vow?

So, Ronny's at war with Disney based on the conservative and constitutional principle of monogamy?    000hehehehe

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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.


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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2023, 09:25:35 pm »
On what conservative/constitutional principle is DeSantis standing his ground  @libertybele ?

I'll simplify it for you; he is standing against wokeness.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2023, 10:03:46 pm »
On what conservative/constitutional principle is DeSantis standing his ground  @libertybele ?

You're kidding, right?

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2023, 02:08:57 am »
So, Ronny's at war with Disney based on the conservative and constitutional principle of monogamy?    000hehehehe
I was talking about what your boy doesn't actually believe in, but you are so far up his anus that his failures in those respect just don't matter, any more than your asinine emoji responses. No matter how much mud you throw at DeSantis the smear won't cover up Trump's lacking. While there is no argument Trump was illegally targeted by the democrats and feebs what is coming more clear about his lack of faithfulness in his most personal life and his constant childish lies and name calling of others is what will keep me from voting Trump a third time. While the democrats excuse infidelity as 'just sex' I see it in a completely different light. You can post this crap every day until the election and the only people who will cheer it are the handful of people who will vote Trump even if he killed someone on the street, I would say the grab em by the bleep thing is pretty much fact, I don't think you will change a single persons mind.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #80 on: May 20, 2023, 03:04:56 am »
I was talking about what your boy doesn't actually believe in, but you are so far up his anus that his failures in those respect just don't matter, any more than your asinine emoji responses. No matter how much mud you throw at DeSantis the smear won't cover up Trump's lacking. While there is no argument Trump was illegally targeted by the democrats and feebs what is coming more clear about his lack of faithfulness in his most personal life and his constant childish lies and name calling of others is what will keep me from voting Trump a third time. While the democrats excuse infidelity as 'just sex' I see it in a completely different light. You can post this crap every day until the election and the only people who will cheer it are the handful of people who will vote Trump even if he killed someone on the street, I would say the grab em by the bleep thing is pretty much fact, I don't think you will change a single persons mind.

My, my ---- this is such a hostile, rambling word salad; and so unnecessary.  All you had to do was explain that you misunderstood my question instead of  posting a near psychotic reply.

Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.  :shrug:




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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2023, 04:00:49 am »
@libertybele  @roamer_1

I'm asking a serious and necessary question:  On what conservative/constitutional principle is DeSantis standing his ground in his fight against Disney?   I'm not asking what he's fighting, or why. 

Where do these conservative principles fit with the actions taken by DeSantis and his administration?

Conservative principle:  Individual Freedom
Individual, God-given liberties should be preserved against government intrusion.  The purpose of government is to secure the unalienable rights to life, liberty, conscience, free speech, the free exercise of religion, and the ability to pursue happiness, own property, build wealth and self-defense.

Conservative principle:  The Rule of Law
Ours is "a government of laws and not of men," and the rule of law is the foundation. Justice must be administered equally and impartially to all. All of government must adhere to the Constitution of the United States.

Conservative principle: Free Markets
Competition should be encouraged, and government intervention and regulation should be limited.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2023, 04:14:27 am »
Another Conservative principle .... #7 which you left off...

7. Human Dignity
Because all men are created equal and in the image of God, every human life has inestimable dignity and value, and every person should be measured only by the content of their character. A just government protects life, honors marriage and family as the primary institutions of a healthy society, and embraces the vital cultural influences of religion and morality. Public policy should always encourage education and emphasize the virtue of hard work as a pathway out of-poverty, while public assistance programs should be reserved only for those who are truly in need. In America, everyone who plays by the rules should get a fair shot. By preserving these ideals, we will maintain the goodness of America that has been the secret to our greatness.

You can guess which positions DeSantis has stood behind vs Trump. Honors marriage (without the multiple affairs?)... Embraces VITAL cultural influences of religion and morality... Compare abortion positions and who is attacking another for a strong stance not being "NY values".

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« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2023, 05:00:03 am »
Another Conservative principle ....

It has nothing to do with Ronny's battle with Disney.  Reread what you posted @Sighlass :

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"A just government protects life, honors marriage and family as the primary institutions of a healthy society, and embraces the vital cultural influences of religion and morality.

FWIW, "honoring" and "embracing" are not the same as forcing behavior using the strong arm of the government.  Honoring and embracing requires targeting hearts and minds ----- something conservatives loathe because it's hard.

Until the Constitution of the United States is repealed, we remain a Constitutional Republic based on the the rule of law, not the passions of zealots from any part of the political spectrum, including conservatives.  We are not a Christian Theocracy.  Try and understand the difference.




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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2023, 07:31:05 am »
I'll simplify it for you; he is standing against wokeness.

He will need to be more than standing against wokeness. If he were to win the presidency, he will inherit a national debt with GDP ratio well over 120% and at higher interest rate. So far no candidate on either side of the aisle for president has mentioned that. Both Trump and Biden want to spend us further into oblivion so that disqualifies them both as far as I’m concerned

The first candidate who makes that issue part of their campaign will get my vote

“Standing against wokeness” isn’t high on the list of issues that fire up the electorate at large
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2023, 07:34:02 am »
It has nothing to do with Ronny's battle with Disney.  Reread what you posted @Sighlass :

FWIW, "honoring" and "embracing" are not the same as forcing behavior using the strong arm of the government. 

DeSantis is removing Disney's special tax status that it has enjoyed for decades. Govt shouldn't be involved in picking winners and losers in business, he just is leveling the playing field to make it more fair. Disney can do what it wants from there, DeSantis isn't forcing anything, in fact just the opposite. Certainly Disney shouldn't be pushing grooming, mutilating and human trafficking kids and still enjoy a tax free status.

Nice try, but your theory doesn't hold water.
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« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2023, 07:38:23 am »
If Biden was targeting a corporation this way for opposing his agenda, would that be ok?
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« Reply #87 on: May 20, 2023, 07:59:24 am »
DeSantis is removing Disney's special tax status that it has enjoyed for decades. Govt shouldn't be involved in picking winners and losers in business, he just is leveling the playing field to make it more fair. Disney can do what it wants from there, DeSantis isn't forcing anything, in fact just the opposite. Certainly Disney shouldn't be pushing grooming, mutilating and human trafficking kids and still enjoy a tax free status.

Nice try, but your theory doesn't hold water.


Would RDS be targeting Disney if they supported his agenda? I get and support the belief that government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers in a free market economy. But I have a sense that RDS isn’t doing this because he believes in the free market
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2023, 08:11:34 am »

Would RDS be targeting Disney if they supported his agenda? I get and support the belief that government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers in a free market economy. But I have a sense that RDS isn’t doing this because he believes in the free market

I would say if that's the litmus test that disqualifies him, then vote accordingly.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2023, 08:20:01 am »
I would say if that's the litmus test that disqualifies him, then vote accordingly.

I am leaning towards RDS for now as his record on spending while in Congress was far superior to Trump’s while president

But I cringe when government targets people or companies for wrong think. Of course, that then strengthens the argument for keeping business and government separate
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2023, 08:31:00 am »
I am leaning towards RDS for now as his record on spending while in Congress was far superior to Trump’s while president

But I cringe when government targets people or companies for wrong think. Of course, that then strengthens the argument for keeping business and government separate

You could look at it that way, but the agreement was in force long before RDS became Governor. Suddenly refusing to honor the agreement because of it's special tax status might have been the right thing to do, but the wrong way to do it had Disney been operating in good faith.

With Disney wading into and strong arming their politics, good faith is out the window, and it gave RDS more than reason to level the playing field and end something that should have never happened.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2023, 08:36:01 am »
Name them,

Equal protection, property rights, State empowerment, fiscal responsibility, limited government, etc.  You know,.  The things that Trump is not.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2023, 11:28:59 am »
@libertybele  @roamer_1

I'm asking a serious and necessary question:  On what conservative/constitutional principle is DeSantis standing his ground in his fight against Disney?   I'm not asking what he's fighting, or why. 

Where do these conservative principles fit with the actions taken by DeSantis and his administration?


You're leading the question a bit, @Right_in_Virginia ... by categorical selection...

So I will start here:

Foremost he rose to protect the principles of the Christian Right, as found in the Greater Judeo-Christian Ethic. Those precepts are located in any Bible you might care to look at, but primarily found in Torah and the words of Christ. It is our moral root, and out sense of right and wrong.

If you cannot understand that a trusted corporation serving children, found to be grooming children, sexualizing them, is wrong beyond the pale, then we can stop right here, because you will understand nothing further.

FINALLY social conservatives have a champion, who rose sword in hand, to defend the very basic concept of something being damnwell wrong, that needs to be put down.

That's the cause.

And in the fix, he chose to put actual teeth in the Reedy Creek agreement, for the first time in a long time. He replaced the Reedy Creek Board with people who would protect the State's interest, creating leverage against an otherwise self governing corporation, who has been operating it's own little fiefdom for decades, largely free of the authority of the sovereign state of Florida.

Personally, I think he should go WAY further - Now that the court has decided that corporations are individuals, then the corporation becomes subject to the laws against pedophilia and grooming proper, and the law should be applied  to arrest the corporation as a singular entity and convict it as a singular entity, and send it to jail... and when it gets out, make sure it registers as a sexual predator and pedophile.

Just desserts.

Now, on to your question:

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Conservative principle:  Individual Freedom
Individual, God-given liberties should be preserved against government intrusion.  The purpose of government is to secure the unalienable rights to life, liberty, conscience, free speech, the free exercise of religion, and the ability to pursue happiness, own property, build wealth and self-defense.

Individual freedom is limited purposefully by the sovereign state. That's what laws are for. Incidental to this issue, with the exception of the fact that the laws of the State are no longer selectively withheld from Disney, and that Disney is being made subject to them.

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Conservative principle:  The Rule of Law
Ours is "a government of laws and not of men," and the rule of law is the foundation. Justice must be administered equally and impartially to all. All of government must adhere to the Constitution of the United States.

In fact DeSantis is fixing this by his actions. None of the other resorts in Florida have such a buddy deal as is found in Reedy Creek. There is no reason whatsoever why Disney should not have to function under the very same regulations as every other corporation, and specifically, resort, as found throughout the state. They don't have such autonomy. This is leveling the playing field. This is creating 'equality and impartiality' (at least in the eyes of those other corporations, who suffer the regulations the state imposes), removing a decades-old good ol boy agreement.

Note that I am not against such agreements - But they are not sacrosanct or perpetual, or the state has ignored its duty to the People. And Disney has long benefited by it... More than satisfying any agreement there was.

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Conservative principle: Free Markets
Competition should be encouraged, and government intervention and regulation should be limited.

Again, no injury, and actually provided for in the 'equality and impartiality' mentioned above, if Reedy Creek is dissolved.

... All that remembering of course, the first cause... Defending a woke, grooming corporation's autonomy against the legitimate sovereignty of the state is unconscionable. It is only proper that the state remove its favor and bring its authority to bear.



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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2023, 11:38:22 am »
“Standing against wokeness” isn’t high on the list of issues that fire up the electorate at large

You have not been watching Butt Light fall from grace, I take it. The electorate is surely fired up against the Woke theology, and the insidious use of stakeholder corporatism. This is nail, right on the head.

And because he champions this issue does not mean he cannot walk and chew gum at the same time... I have not dug deeply, but it seems he has given TEA no short shrift. He has remained as he was in Congress. Predictably, that makes him the best bet in decades in fiscal and libertarian issues.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2023, 11:39:57 am »
DeSantis is removing Disney's special tax status that it has enjoyed for decades. Govt shouldn't be involved in picking winners and losers in business, he just is leveling the playing field to make it more fair. Disney can do what it wants from there, DeSantis isn't forcing anything, in fact just the opposite. Certainly Disney shouldn't be pushing grooming, mutilating and human trafficking kids and still enjoy a tax free status.

Nice try, but your theory doesn't hold water.

Precisely right.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2023, 11:40:38 am »
If Biden was targeting a corporation this way for opposing his agenda, would that be ok?

Biden and the left target corporations all the time.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2023, 11:42:50 am »
I am leaning towards RDS for now as his record on spending while in Congress was far superior to Trump’s while president

But I cringe when government targets people or companies for wrong think. Of course, that then strengthens the argument for keeping business and government separate

This isn't merely 'wrong think'... this is WRONG. Two very different things.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2023, 12:04:28 pm »
Another Conservative principle .... #7 which you left off...

7. Human Dignity

That's right - But beyond that, Disney is practicing (with impunity, favor) violations of the Judeo-Christian Ethic, which is our sense of right and wrong, upon which (or through the prism of) our laws are written.

It's all the rage that corporations cannot/should not be moral, but that is exactly why they have become a tool of the left - Supplanting right and wrong with another moral sense as found in stakeholder corporatism.

Here's another conservative principle for you - There is no moral neutral. Wherever you are on the scale between morality and immorality, you are serving under a moral aegis.

So as in all things, you must draw a hard line. Stakeholder corporatism is trying to draw that line across what less than a generation ago was known as evil, and calling it good.

If no one rises to defend, that line will be drawn for you.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2023, 12:19:14 pm »
DeSantis is removing Disney's special tax status that it has enjoyed for decades. Govt shouldn't be involved in picking winners and losers in business, he just is leveling the playing field to make it more fair. Disney can do what it wants from there, DeSantis isn't forcing anything, in fact just the opposite. Certainly Disney shouldn't be pushing grooming, mutilating and human trafficking kids and still enjoy a tax free status.

Nice try, but your theory doesn't hold water.

Indeed.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2023, 12:56:21 pm »
DeSantis is removing Disney's special tax status that it has enjoyed for decades.

Here's the nub:  Desantis admits in his recent book that Disney speaking out against Florida's Don't Say Gay bill was both his motivation for and what made these changes possible after all these decades.  The jackass then went on to publicly up the ante by itemizing additional retaliatory actions he's considering ---- adding "anything is possible".