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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4125 on: August 17, 2024, 03:53:30 pm »
Quote from: 240B on August 17, 2024, 02:12:50 am


My proposition is that America has never actually 'WON' any war, since 1900. America will fight until stalemate and then give up and pull out of the battlefield. That is what America ALWAYS does. War is not meant to be 'won' in terms of actual 'victory'. America just fights a war for a while ... and then simply pulls out and surrenders. It is not only a pattern, it is what America thinks war is.

And anyone who thinks any future major ememy of ours will play by these same rules are  foolish.  Expect something more like South Carolina / Georgia in 1864.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4126 on: August 17, 2024, 07:35:01 pm »
Quote from: 240B on August 17, 2024, 03:48:39 pm
In Leftist American political dogmas "WINNING" is 'racist'.
And the foe does not matter to them. If you 'WIN', no matter what, you are automatically a racist.

It is absurd with White people fighting similar White people, but, the very act of being successful, that alone, makes you racist.
Success is a mortal sin!

(do not try to understand this, the Liberal mind is a morass of confusion, self hate, and delusion)
It's that way with any Communist government. If you have anything nicer or better, no matter how hard you worked to get it, or if you crated it yourself, then you have shorted the rest of the collective, and held back on them. That makes you evil in their minds.

(ENVY!)

Remember those teachers in school (in the '60s) who, when they caught you with gum, would ask if you brought enough for everyone? (fomenting ENVY! to prove you were bad)

(Yes that's how long this sh*t has been going on).
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4127 on: August 17, 2024, 08:28:56 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 17, 2024, 06:20:26 am
Look at the pattern, and since WWII and the advent of nukes, we haven't had a 'win'. I'm not counting the operations in Panama and Grenada, because those were more limited.

Korea, VietNam, Kuwait (while a 'win', was limited in objective and failed to eliminate the source of the problem, setting up...) Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Israel...
Definitive victory has not been on the table for a while.

Ike was right.
Who would want to cure cancer when you can just keep it going and even cause it to happen and make millions?
There really is a visceral greed out there in some people which I do not understand and can not relate.
These people are mentally ill, they are sick. Who would stay in Congress for 60 years until they die at their desk.
They are sick people. They are actually and factually 'mentally ill' by any medical definition.

Why would you ever 'win' a war?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4128 on: August 18, 2024, 12:14:57 am »
Quote from: 240B on August 17, 2024, 08:28:56 pm
Who would want to cure cancer when you can just keep it going and even cause it to happen and make millions?
There really is a visceral greed out there in some people which I do not understand and can not relate.
These people are mentally ill, they are sick. Who would stay in Congress for 60 years until they die at their desk.
They are sick people. They are actually and factually 'mentally ill' by any medical definition.

Why would you ever 'win' a war?
I agree with your point, and I think we saw it demonstrated recently when $20 cures were maligned and buried for $100 shots that did not work. But then, I heard about half the people who ask how you are doing are only hoping you are worse off than they are so they can feel better about themselves. I don't gt it either.

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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4129 on: August 18, 2024, 12:55:26 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4130 on: August 18, 2024, 12:56:20 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4131 on: August 18, 2024, 01:01:25 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4132 on: August 18, 2024, 01:07:10 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4133 on: August 18, 2024, 01:08:53 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4134 on: August 18, 2024, 01:09:31 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4135 on: August 18, 2024, 01:13:41 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4136 on: August 18, 2024, 01:14:57 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4137 on: August 18, 2024, 01:17:34 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4138 on: August 18, 2024, 01:20:53 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4139 on: August 18, 2024, 01:22:34 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4140 on: August 18, 2024, 01:23:39 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4141 on: August 18, 2024, 01:24:21 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4142 on: August 18, 2024, 01:31:19 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4143 on: August 18, 2024, 01:32:42 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4144 on: August 18, 2024, 01:34:13 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4145 on: August 18, 2024, 07:18:11 am »
Putin must have really hated those cars.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4146 on: August 18, 2024, 09:09:00 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on August 18, 2024, 07:18:11 am
Putin must have really hated those cars.
No electrics, so fairly easy to put out.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4147 on: August 18, 2024, 10:17:38 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 18, 2024, 01:07:10 am
Zvannoe bridge

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1eurdlo/another_bridge_has_been_almost_destroyed_in_the/

That is the second bridge across that river that Ukraine has destroyed. It basically cuts off Russian troops on the side Ukraine controls or is marauding from reinforcements and supplies. Of course, today's barrier to Russian reinforcements may be tomorrow's barrier to Ukrainian advance.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4148 on: August 18, 2024, 10:51:47 am »
Is anything happening in Ukraine besides in the Kursk area?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4149 on: August 18, 2024, 04:13:09 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 18, 2024, 10:51:47 am
Is anything happening in Ukraine besides in the Kursk area?

@Cyber Liberty

Yes.  Russians are making significant (and costly) gains west of Avdiivka.  Pokrovsky is the new target.  They are also pushing west of Bakhmut towards Chasiv Yar.  Russia has a massive amount of troops built up in Donet'sk oblast, and the Ukrainians lack the manpower to stand up to the assaults.

Not all the posts on the daily updates are about Kursk.  But it does get most of the attention.  Here are the sectors in Ukraine to be watching:



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