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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2400 on: March 01, 2024, 06:33:17 pm »

But Putin is a defender of Christendom....

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2401 on: March 01, 2024, 06:37:19 pm »
They are in trouble:



https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1763545600878907847


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Those people have some serious stones,and that sort of thing highlights the prime reasons why those of us in the west should continue to support Ukraine,as well as freedom in Russia.

And this isn't even taking into account the huge numbers of lives that will be saved in the future if the masses in Russia rise up and take back control of their country for the first time (other than the brief period under Yeltsin) in history.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2402 on: March 01, 2024, 06:44:07 pm »
They are in trouble:



https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1763545600878907847


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No matter how desperate the neo-Soviets are to take back total control of Russia and return it to the police state of their dreams,they ARE going to lose in the long run because unlike before,they can NOT control ALL the news.  I am guessing that pretty much everybody  in Russia today that wants a radio or tv to pick up western news reports and tv shows can do so at will,and once THAT cat is out of the box there ain't no putting it back in place.

The oddest thing to ME is that it SEEMS like none of the media that is operating inside Russia is actually reporting causality numbers in Ukraine.

Or maybe they are,and no news outlets in the west are commenting on it?

I may not live to see it,but I suspect Putin will be the "last Soviet Czar".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2403 on: March 01, 2024, 06:46:57 pm »
They are brave:


from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b3xzmx/an_unexpected_chant_at_navalnys_funeral/


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We may have to invent a new word to describe them because "brave" just doesn't seem to be strong enough to describe people willing to stand up to a total police state.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2404 on: March 01, 2024, 07:32:55 pm »
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We may have to invent a new word to describe them because "brave" just doesn't seem to be strong enough to describe people willing to stand up to a total police state.
"Insurrectionists"? "Revolutionaries"?

If Russians are going to throw bodies against machine guns for Russia (time honored military tactic), maybe it should be for their Russia, and not part of some other country.  :shrug:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2405 on: March 02, 2024, 10:43:09 am »
Visegrád 24
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Thousands of Russians defying Putin by attending Navalny’s funeral today.

The more Russian soldiers the Ukrainian Army manages to take off the battlefield permanently, the more unrest there will be in Russia.

A “1917 moment” just might come…


https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1763600105502876146

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2406 on: March 03, 2024, 09:06:44 am »
Fact:


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If he were around today, Ronald Reagan wouldn't think twice about supporting Ukraine because that is the CONSERVATIVE thing to do.






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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2407 on: March 03, 2024, 09:16:28 am »
Fact:


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If he were around today, Ronald Reagan wouldn't think twice about supporting Ukraine because that is the CONSERVATIVE thing to do.


Exactly, and he gave several speeches on that matter throughout his administration, most notably in his support of Solidarity in Poland.

https://www.history.com/speeches/reagan-supports-polands-solidarity-movement
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2408 on: March 03, 2024, 11:21:04 am »
Ukraine was the heart of mother Russia.  Ukraine is NOT Poland.


WRONG!!!!


Ukraine was never the heart of Mother Russia!
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/was-ukraine-part-of-russia/

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« Reply #2409 on: March 03, 2024, 11:35:45 am »
Ukraine was the heart of mother Russia.  Ukraine is NOT Poland.

In the real world, Czarist Russia spent most of the 18th Century (1700s) biting off pieces of Ukraine, not getting the Crimean Peninsula until ~1800. Ukraine was NEVER "the heart of mother Russia".

ETA: In the real world, the movement for Ukrainian independence from Russia started in the 19th Century (1800s), and in the chaos around the Russian Revolution effort was made for Ukraine to be independent of Russia, including some fighting, but while Poland survived as an independent nation, Ukraine did not. It's very likely that the Holodomor was at least part of Stalin's revenge for that and his way of suppressing independence-minded Ukrainians.

Ukraine may have fed "Mother Russia" and may have been an industrial and natural resources center for Stalin's and his successors' 5 Year Plans, but it has never been and is not "the heart of mother Russia".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2410 on: March 03, 2024, 06:20:07 pm »
Fact:

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If he were around today, Ronald Reagan wouldn't think twice about supporting Ukraine because that is the CONSERVATIVE thing to do.


https://twitter.com/TrumpIsDone/status/1764072644771532924


Truth.

The part that confuses people today is this ongoing propaganda that Biden is helping Ukraine.  He isn't.  Biden is using Ukraine as a means of laundering cash.  But Biden does not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  Again and again, Biden has stood in the way of Ukraine getting the arms it needs, even going so far as blocking other nation from sending fighter jets.

The positions of Reagan and Biden could not be any further apart on this.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2411 on: March 03, 2024, 07:57:14 pm »
Ukraine was the heart of mother Russia.  Ukraine is NOT Poland.
Mother Russia cut out it's own heart in support of Stalin during the Holodomor.
 
The gunpoint starvation of millions was so severe it drove many Ukrainians to hope for the Nazis to be liberators (they weren't, they were another evil manifestation of totalitarianism, but that took a little bit to figure out, by which time the damage was done).

No sane Ukrainian would ever expose their country or their people to such abuse again, especially not from Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2412 on: March 03, 2024, 08:08:48 pm »
Truth.

The part that confuses people today is this ongoing propaganda that Biden is helping Ukraine.  He isn't.  Biden is using Ukraine as a means of laundering cash.  But Biden does not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  Again and again, Biden has stood in the way of Ukraine getting the arms it needs, even going so far as blocking other nation from sending fighter jets.

The positions of Reagan and Biden could not be any further apart on this.
Biden's delays, especially with the Polish Migs, but with any equipment which could have given the Ukrainians a tactical advantage has cost Ukrainian lives and blood. In the meantime, aging ordnance* is being trickled in at today's prices, and a lot of money is going somewhere, but never leaving to go to Ukraine.

*Munitions have a 'use by' date. Keep in mind that the bombs which cooked off on the deck of the USS Forestall were WWII vintage 1000 lb bombs. They made a shambles of the flight deck, even blew holes into the interior of the carrier, and the blasts decimated the firefighting crews. Old ordnance is not considered 'safe' at some point. Small arms ammunition can last decades, usually with nothing worse than occasional misfires or hang fires if stored correctly, but by the time you get up  to 155 mm shells, the equation changes, and the consequences are more severe. This is a great opportunity to 'rotate stock', but inflation has jacked the price of those shells in just the last couple decades, and the difference in prices makes for opportunities to slide loose money around.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2415 on: March 03, 2024, 08:31:13 pm »
Rheinmetall could produce more artillery shells than the entire U.S. industry

Industry forecasts suggest that the German arms company will overtake the U.S. in artillery production this year. But capacities are also increasing there.

Roman Tyborski  |  03.03.2024 - 09:50 Uhr


Dusseldorf. When Russia invaded Ukraine in the spring of 2022, Rheinmetall did not yet play a significant role in artillery ammunition. The Düsseldorf-based armaments company was only able to produce about 70,000 grenades per year. This is roughly equivalent to the amount that Ukraine shoots within about two weeks.  .  .

https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/rheinmetall-koennte-mehr-artilleriegranatenproduzieren-als-die-gesamte-us-industrie-01/100019546.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2416 on: March 03, 2024, 08:34:18 pm »
With A Million Shells About To Ship, Ukraine’s Artillery Crisis Could End Soon

Thank the Czech Republic

David Axe  |  Mar 1, 2024  |  04:45pm EST


In awkward fits and starts, Ukraine’s European allies finally are piecing together the financing and industrial resources to supply the Ukrainians with the artillery ammunition they need.

Several separate and parallel initiatives—a European Union arms deal, a Czech-led bulk ammo-purchase and a portfolio of bilateral deals between Ukraine and individual allied countries—should ship at least 700,00 shells over the next couple of months.

But the Ukrainians might get, via Europe, more than a million shells this spring. And if Russia-friendly Republicans in the U.S. Congress finally end their blockade of U.S. aid to Ukraine in the next month or so, as seems likely, Ukrainian batteries could enjoy a windfall of way more than a million shells as spring turns to summer.

That’s not quite enough artillery ammunition to match Russia’s supply of ammo from its own factories and, more importantly, from North Korea. But it’s enough ammo for the Ukrainian armed forces at least to hold the line against Russia’s much larger armed forces. And maybe to begin planning for a new offensive.  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/01/with-a-million-shells-about-to-ship-ukraines-artillery-crisis-could-end-soon/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2417 on: March 03, 2024, 09:39:22 pm »
Bummer. No secondaries....

This attack closed down the Kerch bridge.  The Russians are so paranoid about losing it, they closed it over an attack 50 miles away.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2418 on: March 03, 2024, 10:10:15 pm »
Truth.

The part that confuses people today is this ongoing propaganda that Biden is helping Ukraine.  He isn't.  Biden is using Ukraine as a means of laundering cash.  But Biden does not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  Again and again, Biden has stood in the way of Ukraine getting the arms it needs, even going so far as blocking other nation from sending fighter jets.

The positions of Reagan and Biden could not be any further apart on this.


According to whom
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2419 on: March 03, 2024, 10:18:49 pm »

According to whom

Follow the money.  How many artillery shells do you think ended up in Ukraine from the tens of billions given to US AID - all earmarked as "Ukraine aid"?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2421 on: March 04, 2024, 09:32:10 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2422 on: March 04, 2024, 11:55:28 am »
Ukraine is not part of Russia


https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1764628347718439388?t=cE7-rKVSxCex1YkxQWEg_w&s=19

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And never will be because Russia wants to OWN it as a slave state,just like Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2423 on: March 04, 2024, 11:57:21 am »
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« Reply #2424 on: March 04, 2024, 12:38:53 pm »
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*Munitions have a 'use by' date. Keep in mind that the bombs which cooked off on the deck of the USS Forestall were WWII vintage 1000 lb bombs. They made a shambles of the flight deck, even blew holes into the interior of the carrier, and the blasts decimated the firefighting crews. Old ordnance is not considered 'safe' at some point. Small arms ammunition can last decades, usually with nothing worse than occasional misfires or hang fires if stored correctly, but by the time you get up  to 155 mm shells, the equation changes, and the consequences are more severe. This is a great opportunity to 'rotate stock', but inflation has jacked the price of those shells in just the last couple decades, and the difference in prices makes for opportunities to slide loose money around.

Side note, those 1000 lb bombs were not only old, but had been improperly stored, in the Philippines, IIRC. The particular explosive type in those bombs was no longer in use, and it was known at the time that deterioration made the explosive less stable (cooked off abnormally quickly) and more powerful than rated. The captain of the USS Forrestal knew the bombs' age and condition and asked Wash DC for permission to refuse to let the things aboard his ship. WashDC ordered him to use them. Of course, it took a known flaw in the Zuni rocket system to set in motion the chain of events that led to the Forrestal fire.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2425 on: March 04, 2024, 12:45:10 pm »
Sun Tzu

Meaning? Is Zelensky the "evil man" for not surrendering to an enslaver? Is Putin the "evil man" for instigating a war that is factionalizing Russia?

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Is the fighting in Ingushetia at least partly the fruit of Stalin's maltreatment of the Ingush ethnic group (similar to his maltreatment of Chechens)?
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2426 on: March 04, 2024, 01:52:22 pm »
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« Reply #2427 on: March 04, 2024, 02:06:31 pm »
Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin wants it, and he thought the West was weak after Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.

NATO expanded (Sweden, Finland) because Putin invaded Ukraine.

Projecting American weakness encourages America's enemies to act.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2428 on: March 04, 2024, 02:18:51 pm »
Meaning? Is Zelensky the "evil man" for not surrendering to an enslaver? Is Putin the "evil man" for instigating a war that is factionalizing Russia?

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Is the fighting in Ingushetia at least partly the fruit of Stalin's maltreatment of the Ingush ethnic group (similar to his maltreatment of Chechens)?

Putin is an evil man, Zelinsky is an evil man, Biden is an evil man... The world is full of evil men who cannot be a part of anything that they aren't in control of.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2429 on: March 04, 2024, 02:51:25 pm »
Putin is an evil man, Zelinsky is an evil man, Biden is an evil man... The world is full of evil men who cannot be a part of anything that they aren't in control of.

So how exactly is Zelensky an evil man?  What has he done to earn that designation?  Do you know anything about him, especially before he was elected President of Ukraine in April 2019?

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« Reply #2430 on: March 04, 2024, 08:35:50 pm »
Side note, those 1000 lb bombs were not only old, but had been improperly stored, in the Philippines, IIRC. The particular explosive type in those bombs was no longer in use, and it was known at the time that deterioration made the explosive less stable (cooked off abnormally quickly) and more powerful than rated. The captain of the USS Forrestal knew the bombs' age and condition and asked Wash DC for permission to refuse to let the things aboard his ship. WashDC ordered him to use them. Of course, it took a known flaw in the Zuni rocket system to set in motion the chain of events that led to the Forrestal fire.

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Just out of curiosity,even though I fear I already know the answer,WHAT happened to the flag officer that overruled the ships captain,and ordered them used anyhow?

This was a senior Naval Officer,so I assumed a ugly WAVE slapped his pee-pee with a ruler,and he was then promoted and retired with  full pay and privileges?
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« Reply #2431 on: March 04, 2024, 09:27:49 pm »
@PeteS in CA

Just out of curiosity,even though I fear I already know the answer,WHAT happened to the flag officer that overruled the ships captain,and ordered them used anyhow?

This was a senior Naval Officer,so I assumed a ugly WAVE slapped his pee-pee with a ruler,and he was then promoted and retired with  full pay and privileges?
There were a number of changes that came about, not the least of which was every sailor being trained in firefighting, not just a separate crew. As for the Flag rank people who ordered the ordnance remain, I don't know. Most of those bombs were set to go out in that day's strike (to get rid of them, I would think).
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« Reply #2432 on: March 05, 2024, 02:36:45 pm »
ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Sergei Ivanovich Kobylash and Viktor Nikolayevich Sokolov

ICC 3/5/2023

Today, 5 March 2024, Pre-Trial Chamber II of the International Criminal Court, composed of Judge Rosario Salvatore Aitala, Presiding, Judge Tomoko Akane and Judge Sergio Gerardo Ugalde Godinez (“ICC” or “Court”) issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr Sergei Ivanovich Kobylash and Mr Viktor Nikolayevich Sokolov, in the context of the situation in Ukraine for alleged crimes committed from at least 10 October 2022 until at least 9 March 2023.

Mr Sergei Ivanovich Kobylash, born on 1 April 1965, a Lieutenant General in the Russian Armed Forces, who at the relevant time was the Commander of the Long-Range Aviation of the Aerospace Force, and Mr Viktor Nikolayevich Sokolov, born 4 April 1962, an Admiral in the Russian Navy, who at the relevant time was the Commander of the Black Sea Fleet, are each allegedly responsible for the war crime of directing attacks at civilian objects (article 8(2)(b)(ii) of the Rome Statute) and the war crime of causing excessive incidental harm to civilians or damage to civilian objects (article 8(2)(b)(iv) of the Rome Statute), and the crime against humanity of inhumane acts under article 7(1)(k) of the Rome Statute. There are reasonable grounds to believe they bear individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes for (i) having committed the acts jointly and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), (ii) ordering the commission of the crimes, and/or (iii) for their failure to exercise proper control over the forces under their command (article 28(a) of the Rome Statute).

The two warrants of arrest were issued following applications filed by the Prosecution. Pre-Trial Chamber II considered that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the two suspects bear responsibility for missile strikes carried out by the forces under their command against the Ukrainian electric infrastructure from at least 10 October 2022 until at least 9 March 2023. During this time-frame, there was an alleged campaign of strikes against numerous electric power plants and sub-stations, which were carried out by the Russian armed forces in multiple locations in Ukraine.

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« Reply #2433 on: March 05, 2024, 03:32:57 pm »
I have wondered what lawfare against a real enemy would look like...
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« Reply #2434 on: March 05, 2024, 08:32:22 pm »
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« Reply #2435 on: March 05, 2024, 08:33:34 pm »
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« Reply #2436 on: March 05, 2024, 08:59:16 pm »
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« Reply #2440 on: March 06, 2024, 06:38:41 pm »
Why am I not surprised.


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« Reply #2441 on: March 06, 2024, 08:00:30 pm »
Ya gotta give the Russians credit for having stones  because it ain't like they don't know the punishment for standing up the Soviet System will be harsh.
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« Reply #2442 on: March 06, 2024, 08:40:46 pm »
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Moscow police begins arresting people who went to Navalny's funeral. They're being singled out from videos of the event.

The same thing Biden continues to do to people who showed up at the Capitol on Jan 6, 2021.
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« Reply #2443 on: March 06, 2024, 10:00:35 pm »
The same thing Biden continues to do to people who showed up at the Capitol on Jan 6, 2021.


I know how dare people can trespass and try to disrupt a legitimate Constitutional process here in America.
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« Reply #2444 on: March 06, 2024, 10:25:46 pm »

I know how dare people can trespass and try to disrupt a legitimate Constitutional process here in America.

Trespass?  Disrupt?  Sure.


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« Reply #2445 on: March 06, 2024, 10:48:45 pm »
Trespass?  Disrupt?  Sure.


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« Reply #2446 on: March 07, 2024, 01:13:21 am »
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Zelensky’s motorcade nearly hit by Russian missile as ‘Ukraine prepares for counter-offensive’

Yahoo News by Tara Cobham 3/6/2024

Volodymyr Zelensky’s motorcade was nearly hit by a Russian missile on Wednesday as the Ukrainian President visited the Black Sea port of Odessa.

Zelensky was with Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis when the missile hit infrastructure close enough for the leaders to see the strike, with sources estimating the attack happened a mere 500 to 800 metre distance from the delegations.

“You see who we’re dealing with, they don’t care where to hit,” Zelensky told reporters in the wake of the incident, which killed five people, according to a Ukrainian navy spokesperson.

Mitsotakis, who was on his first visit to the country since Russia's invasion in February 2022, said that during the tour the delegation heard sirens and a big explosion as they headed towards their cars. Confirming his country’s continued support of Ukraine, he told Zelensky: “My presence here reflects the respect of the entire free world for your people and underlines Greece’s commitment to remain by your side.”

A top military commander on Wednesday said the Ukrainian military will stabilise the battlefield situation shortly and aims to form units for counter-offensive actions later this year.

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