Ukraine 4

[DefiantMassRINO]

America doesn't need to be isolationist.

Put Americans' needs first.  Secure our damn Border first, then we can worry about protecting other nations' borders.

Stop taking it up the @$$ from the United Nations, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Economic Forum, OPEC, Chinese Communist Party, Saudi Arabia, etc.

America should have reciprocal trade practices with its trading partners.  If E.U. sticks it to US Tech Companies, stick it back to E.U. Tech.

Migrate, diversify, and secure some of our supply chains from the Eastern Hemisphere to the West Hemisphere.

[Bigun]

I believe the point was that Vindman, et al.,seem to have lied to Congress (not "to the world") when they said the CIA wasn't involved in building spy bases in Ukraine. Federal employees aren't supposed to lie to Congress.That Russia also spies on people is irrelevant and not the point.

I believe you are EXACTLY right @mountaineer

[DB]

I believe the point was that Vindman, et al.,seem to have lied to Congress (not "to the world") when they said the CIA wasn't involved in building spy bases in Ukraine. Federal employees aren't supposed to lie to Congress.That Russia also spies on people is irrelevant and not the point.

I disagree.

The larger point was an attempt at justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine where large numbers of people have died as a result. That excuse is an excuse to walk away from it all. That's a larger deal than liars lying to congress. It was already a given they lied.

[Bigun]

I disagree.

The larger point was an attempt at justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine where large numbers of people have died as a result. That excuse is an excuse to walk away from it all. That's a larger deal than liars lying to congress. It was already a given they lied.

I tolerated much from those who worked for me during my working life but the one sure fire way to get fired was to lie to me. Never tolerated that and never will. My government employees in particular.

[PeteS in CA]

More about what Ukraine is doing with the aid it is receiving:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPQU9zNKWc

[DB]

I tolerated much from those who worked for me during my working life but the one sure fire way to get fired was to lie to me. Never tolerated that and never will. My government employees in particular.

I totally understand that. Get caught in a lie, particularly one of consequence and you'll play hell earning my trust back again. Honorable people don't lie. Honorable people do make mistakes, but a purposeful lie is something else altogether. And that is one thing that will put me on the war path... I also have no interest interacting with dishonorable people, there's no trust.

[Smokin Joe]

I totally understand that. Get caught in a lie, particularly one of consequence and you'll play hell earning my trust back again. Honorable people don't lie. Honorable people do make mistakes, but a purposeful lie is something else altogether. And that is one thing that will put me on the war path... I also have no interest interacting with dishonorable people, there's no trust.

Conversely, I have found that if there is a problem, and you had anything to do with it or it falls under your purview, stating the problem, owning it, and coming up with a solution, promptly, will get you a lot of respect, and likely keep your employment as well. Those who hide the problem or try to blame others don't last long once it gets sorted.

[Bigun]

Conversely, I have found that if there is a problem, and you had anything to do with it or it falls under your purview, stating the problem, owning it, and coming up with a solution, promptly, will get you a lot of respect, and likely keep your employment as well. Those who hide the problem or try to blame others don't last long once it gets sorted.

 

[Bigun]

I totally understand that. Get caught in a lie, particularly one of consequence and you'll play hell earning my trust back again. Honorable people don't lie. Honorable people do make mistakes, but a purposeful lie is something else altogether. And that is one thing that will put me on the war path... I also have no interest interacting with dishonorable people, there's no trust.

 

[Hoodat]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b1d17o/local_telegram_channels_from_krasnoyarsk_report/

[mountaineer]

Olga Bazova
@OlgaBazova
US Republicans support negotiations between Ukraine and Russia - Politico

▪️ “The reality we face at the moment is that [the conflict] ends in a negotiated settlement,” said Florida Senator Marco Rubio. The only question is whether the Ukrainian or Russian side “will have more leverage” when the world comes to understand this.
▪️Ohio Senator J.D. Vance believes there is a “probably indefinite stalemate.” The politician hoped that “this will lead to some kind of settlement in which Ukraine will be able to save its country and the killings will stop.”
▪️As Politico notes, a few months ago such a position was not popular, but now the situation has changed, as the chances of Ukraine winning are considered by many to be low. In addition, not all members of the Republican Party are in favor of providing it with further assistance, but some still call for support from Kiev.

Putin is using the entire US Senate GOP as a weapon.
3:18 AM · Feb 28, 2024

[Timber Rattler]

Olga Bazova
@OlgaBazova
US Republicans support negotiations between Ukraine and Russia - Politico

▪️ “The reality we face at the moment is that [the conflict] ends in a negotiated settlement,” said Florida Senator Marco Rubio. The only question is whether the Ukrainian or Russian side “will have more leverage” when the world comes to understand this.
▪️Ohio Senator J.D. Vance believes there is a “probably indefinite stalemate.” The politician hoped that “this will lead to some kind of settlement in which Ukraine will be able to save its country and the killings will stop.”
▪️As Politico notes, a few months ago such a position was not popular, but now the situation has changed, as the chances of Ukraine winning are considered by many to be low. In addition, not all members of the Republican Party are in favor of providing it with further assistance, but some still call for support from Kiev.

Putin is using the entire US Senate GOP as a weapon.
3:18 AM · Feb 28, 2024

How can Zelensky be expected to negotiate with a bad faith liar like Vladimir Putin who has never kept his word about anything?

Vance is a moron.  The various euphemisms thrown about like "settlement" and "peace deal" amount to forcing surrender by Ukraine and a Russian victory.

[kevindavis007]

This is a surprise... NOT! Russia is not stopping at Ukraine folks and trust me Russia will try to attack the Baltic countries even though they are part of NATO.



@visegrad24
BREAKING:

Transnistria officially calls on Russia to come to its aid amid “economic pressure” from Moldova

The breakaway republic organized a “congress of deputies of all levels" for the first time in 18 years to vote on it.

Time to re-establish Moldova’s territorial integrity

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1762864708082675882

[kevindavis007]

How can Zelensky be expected to negotiate with a bad faith liar like Vladimir Putin who has never kept his word about anything?

Vance is a moron.  The various euphemisms thrown about like "settlement" and "peace deal" amount to forcing surrender by Ukraine and a Russian victory.

Why I hate today's GOP.

[kevindavis007]

Just an FYI:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1762614329101230264

[PeteS in CA]

Krasnoyarsk is about 2,500 straight-line miles from Ukraine.

Moldova, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are all Putin targets, though Ukraine is, ummm, complicating those desires.

[kevindavis007]

Krasnoyarsk is about 2,500 straight-line miles from Ukraine.

Moldova, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are all Putin targets, though Ukraine is, ummm, complicating those desires.

That is why we need to help Ukraine

[Cyber Liberty]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

William Tecumseh Sherman would.

[Timber Rattler]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

Better to support the Ukrainians NOW and let them do the fighting themselves rather than sacrificing our sons and daughters LATER when Putin finally goes after NATO in the Baltics or Poland.

[DB]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

Strawman. No one is asking for that other than some rare fringe nut. Russia needs to be stopped by people already willing to fight and die to stop them. Ukrainians. They've lived under Russia's thumb and would rather die than do it again. So arm the hell out of them and let them force Russia back into Russa. By letting Russia gobble up its neighbors at some point we will be forced to send our sons and daughters to contain them. Spend the resources now to prevent that in the future. There are numerous lessens in history that we don't have to repeat.

[Smokin Joe]

You would think we'd learn...

Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise they'd be unmolested.

We see how that worked out.

When Stalin was in power, the Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians when the Russians removed their grain harvest, even the seed grain, by force and took it back to Moscow to save the regime embarrassment, but also to feed (real) Russians. All this BS about Ukraine being part of Russia is just that.

Enough "Peace in our time" type concessions. You'd think that lesson was learned in the 1930s.

Send the Ukrainians what equipment they need to win.

[berdie]

You would think we'd learn...

Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise they'd be unmolested.

We see how that worked out.

When Stalin was in power, the Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians when the Russians removed their grain harvest, even the seed grain, by force and took it back to Moscow to save the regime embarrassment, but also to feed (real) Russians. All this BS about Ukraine being part of Russia is just that.

Enough "Peace in our time" type concessions. You'd think that lesson was learned in the 1930s.

Send the Ukrainians what equipment they need to win.

Not a single thing I can argue with! Great post.

[kevindavis007]

Better to support the Ukrainians NOW and let them do the fighting themselves rather than sacrificing our sons and daughters LATER when Putin finally goes after NATO in the Baltics or Poland.

or Alaska.

[kevindavis007]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

Who is asking that we send troops to fight for Ukraine? 

[kevindavis007]

You would think we'd learn...

Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise they'd be unmolested.

We see how that worked out.

When Stalin was in power, the Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians when the Russians removed their grain harvest, even the seed grain, by force and took it back to Moscow to save the regime embarrassment, but also to feed (real) Russians. All this BS about Ukraine being part of Russia is just that.

Enough "Peace in our time" type concessions. You'd think that lesson was learned in the 1930s.

Send the Ukrainians what equipment they need to win.

 

[Timber Rattler]

or Alaska.

Yep, Russia wants it back!

Putin Ally Hints at Russian Plot to Reclaim Alaska

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-hints-russian-plot-reclaim-alaska-1851019


Putin’s aide threatens to ‘claim back’ Alaska in response to US sanctions

https://alaskapublic.org/2022/07/06/putins-aide-threatens-to-claim-back-alaska-in-response-to-us-sanctions/


Russian lawmaker demands return of Alaska, California fort and reparations amid US-led sanctions

https://www.foxnews.com/us/russia-alaska-california-fort-reparations-sanctions


After Crimea, Russians Say They Want Alaska Back


https://www.themoscowtimes.com/archive/after-crimea-russians-say-they-want-alaska-back

A lot of people better wake up and take the Russians at their word.

[Hoodat]

Ukraine reports jump in number of downed Russian planes

Vitaly Shevchenko  |  8 hrs ago

Ukraine's military says it has shot down 10 Russian military jets in as many days, which marks a sharp increase over the preceding months.

The claim comes despite shortages experienced by Ukrainian forces due to delays in Western supplies.

Ukraine says a total of 342 Russian planes and 325 helicopters have been shot down since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.  .  .  .

.  .  .  Ukraine says it shot down some of the best aircraft available to the Russian air force between 17 and 27 February.

They include a highly sophisticated and rare A-50 military spy plane. If confirmed, this would be the second A-50 downed in just over a month, an embarrassing loss for Russia and a significant win for Ukraine.

The other Russian planes Ukraine claims to have destroyed in the time period are seven Su-34s and two S-35 fighter jets.

One weapon Ukraine is likely to have used is the US-supplied Patriot surface-to-air missile.

The higher number of Russian planes claimed to have been shot down recently suggests that "Ukraine is being more aggressive with risking Patriot launchers close to the frontlines in order to engage Russian jets," Justin Bronk, a senior research fellow at the London-based think-tank Rusi, told the BBC.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68423990

[Timber Rattler]

Ukraine reports jump in number of downed Russian planes

Vitaly Shevchenko  |  8 hrs ago

Ukraine's military says it has shot down 10 Russian military jets in as many days, which marks a sharp increase over the preceding months.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68423990

I don't think it's the Ukrainians who are doing the shootdowns now...

[DB]

It's us?  If it is get ready for WW3.

That's all just hearsay speculation. But really, what kind of WW3 can Russia wage short of nuclear? If they all want to die that's a choice but that would seem highly unlikely. Russia already has something like 500,000 dead in the Ukraine war it started. They're in no position to widen the war to the rest of NATO.

[Smokin Joe]

Ukraine reports jump in number of downed Russian planes

Vitaly Shevchenko  |  8 hrs ago

Ukraine's military says it has shot down 10 Russian military jets in as many days, which marks a sharp increase over the preceding months.

The claim comes despite shortages experienced by Ukrainian forces due to delays in Western supplies.

Ukraine says a total of 342 Russian planes and 325 helicopters have been shot down since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.  .  .  .

.  .  .  Ukraine says it shot down some of the best aircraft available to the Russian air force between 17 and 27 February.

They include a highly sophisticated and rare A-50 military spy plane. If confirmed, this would be the second A-50 downed in just over a month, an embarrassing loss for Russia and a significant win for Ukraine.

The other Russian planes Ukraine claims to have destroyed in the time period are seven Su-34s and two S-35 fighter jets.

One weapon Ukraine is likely to have used is the US-supplied Patriot surface-to-air missile.

The higher number of Russian planes claimed to have been shot down recently suggests that "Ukraine is being more aggressive with risking Patriot launchers close to the frontlines in order to engage Russian jets," Justin Bronk, a senior research fellow at the London-based think-tank Rusi, told the BBC.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68423990

The loss of an A-50 is no small deal. The Russians don't have many operational ones left (one or two).

[Smokin Joe]

That's all just hearsay speculation. But really, what kind of WW3 can Russia wage short of nuclear? If they all want to die that's a choice but that would seem highly unlikely. Russia already has something like 500,000 dead in the Ukraine war it started. They're in no position to widen the war to the rest of NATO.

The Russians have never balked at sending more meat to the front. They did it in WWII with machine guns at their back to ensure they did not retreat.

Communism may be pronounced 'dead', but the lingering totalitarianism makes it a difference without distinction.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1762908433949266023

[Hoodat]

from r/CombatFootage

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1b27cfx/ukrainian_drones_and_artillery_repels_a_russian/

[Hoodat]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b273f1/czech_republic_will_deliver_9_brand_new_ea_dita/

[PeteS in CA]

In 1915 it was The Fokker Scourge. In April 1917 was Bloody April for allied airmen. February 2024's Scourge Against Sukhois continues:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPBFvLGC-BM&t=234s

FWIW, SU-34s are fighter-bombers, and Su-35s are fighters, both modern (think F-15E and F-15C, but newer). I wonder whether the orcs have been flying missions like these all along, and Ukraine has/is doing something different, or if the orcs have started flying these missions to support an offensive.

[Timber Rattler]

This is great!!!!

Tucker Carlson calls Putin's justification for invasion "the dumbest thing he'd ever heard."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lRdkH_QoY&t=5355s

[DB]

In 1915 it was The Fokker Scourge. In April 1917 was Bloody April for allied airmen. February 2024's Scourge Against Sukhois continues:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPBFvLGC-BM&t=234s

FWIW, SU-34s are fighter-bombers, and Su-35s are fighters, both modern (think F-15E and F-15C, but newer). I wonder whether the orcs have been flying missions like these all along, and Ukraine has/is doing something different, or if the orcs have started flying these missions to support an offensive.

The west is testing all their new technology on live targets...

[PeteS in CA]

The west is testing all their new technology on live targets...

Not impossible. One of the benefits to the US of our alliance with Israel was learning how well US weapons worked against Soviet counterparts and how best those weapons could be used. Ukraine seems to be doing similarly, and is also being creative in adapting some western equipment for use with their (sometimes upgraded) Soviet era equipment (e.g. operating AGM-88 HARM missiles from MiG-29s). Suchomimus has speculated that the Ukrainians may have created a sort of Franken-SAM system, operating S-200 missiles (long range) with Patriot system radars (long search range) and these may have downed some of the Su-34s and Su-35s. Or maybe some F-16s have been deployed months earlier than publicly announced.

The recent loss of 2 of Russia's 3 (or 5) A-50 operational AWACS-type aircraft is probably forcing some hard choices on the Russians. Move remaining A-50(s) from other frontiers? Try to restore/upgrade existing non-op A-50s? Operate what they have in the Ukrainian theater farther from the front lines (making them less useful)? Stop A-50 flights and try to get necessary info using other less capable but better self-protecting aircraft?

[libertybele]

This is great!!!!

Tucker Carlson calls Putin's justification for invasion "the dumbest thing he'd ever heard."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lRdkH_QoY&t=5355s

Great video -- thanks for the post.  Yes, people are afraid. Including myself.  Our government has taken a very quick curve to the left towards socialism and what I am hearing from various news sources is disturbing; with the most obvious troubling occurrence in our country is that of ILLEGAL immigration and the blatant invasion that continues. We are to accept this???

[kevindavis007]

@Timber Rattler


Check this out:


https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1762832559665541514?t=oeCflgmdgRow2X4wmaVUXA&s=19

[Timber Rattler]

@Timber Rattler


Check this out:


https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1762832559665541514?t=oeCflgmdgRow2X4wmaVUXA&s=19

Free speech and all that in Russia I guess....not to mention pandering to his Chechen and Tatar lackeys.

[kevindavis007]

Free speech and all that in Russia I guess....not to mention pandering to his Chechen and Tatar lackeys.

But Putin is a defender of Christendom....

[kevindavis007]

They are in trouble:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1763545600878907847

[Hoodat]

Ukraine says it has shot down three more Russian warplanes

February 29, 2024  |  6:14 AM EST

KYIV, Feb 29 (Reuters) - Ukraine's military said on Thursday it had shot down three more Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers, the latest successes it has reported against Moscow's air force.
"After successful combat operations against an enemy aircraft in the night on Feb. 29, two more Russian aircraft were destroyed: Su-34 fighter-bombers in the Avdiivka and Mariupol sectors," Army chief Oleksandr Syrskyi said on the Telegram messaging app.  .  .

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ukraine-says-it-has-shot-down-three-more-russian-warplanes-2024-02-29/


The first of these three already reported upthread by @PeteS in CA  - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,499577.msg2982277.html#msg2982277

[Hoodat]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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BREAKING:

The thousands of Russians attending Navalny’s funeral in Moscow today are chanting the most forbidden words in Russia:

“No to the war”

«Нет» войне.

[kevindavis007]

They are brave:

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b3xzmx/an_unexpected_chant_at_navalnys_funeral/

[kevindavis007]

@Timber Rattler you should post this on you know where:

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1763694998891999537

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1763633526178447711

[Timber Rattler]

@Timber Rattler you should post this on you know where:

Good idea!  Done!

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4221290/posts

[sneakypete]

The day was also tinged with the geopolitical tension between Moscow and the West, with a crowd of diplomats, including U.S. Ambassador to Russia Lynne M. Tracy, in attendance a day after Putin reiterated his threats of nuclear war.

Navalny “remains a shining example of what Russia could and should be,” the U.S. Embassy said in a post on X. “His death is a tragic reminder of the lengths the Kremlin will go to silence its critics.”

@kevindavis007

I have to tell you that has to be one of the bravest and most shocking  public displays I have ever seen. It takes some serious commitment to political reform and justice for a Russian citizen to step forward and be counted by taking part in a public demonstration against the Police State Authority of the neo-Soviet Union.

Compare that to the Americans and other westerners that refuse to take public stands against their political leaders for fear of losing their jobs.

MUCH respect going out to everyone who was there.