Ukraine 4

[Hoodat]

Summations, but no credible proof. That goes for Brandon as well.

@libertybele @txradioguy

For those who wish to draw a parallel between those saying that there is no evidence of Zelenskiy corruption and those saying that there is no evidence of Biden corruption:

Biden:  GOP Reps Release 22 Examples of Biden’s Corruption After Dems Claim There’s No Evidence


Zelenskiy: 

[Kamaji]

@libertybele @txradioguy

For those who wish to draw a parallel between those saying that there is no evidence of Zelenskiy corruption and those saying that there is no evidence of Biden corruption:

Biden:  GOP Reps Release 22 Examples of Biden’s Corruption After Dems Claim There’s No Evidence


Zelenskiy: 

[DB]

The Dan Rather school of journalism...  We don't need any actual evidence... We know it is true... Fake but accurate...

[libertybele]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

Believe what you want.

 

[Kamaji]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

Believe what you want.

 

Zelensky is one of the few with high credibility here.  Believe Putin's lies all you want.

[Hoodat]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

You do realize that the words 'evident' and 'evidence' have the same root, right?  So where is the 'evidence'?

[libertybele]

You do realize that the words 'evident' and 'evidence' have the same root, right?  So where is the 'evidence'?

As I stated up thread, believe what you want.   

[Hoodat]

As I stated up thread, believe what you want.

Or in your case, believe what you 'feel' with zero regard for whether or not it is true.

[Bigun]

I don't think Zelinski himself is all that corrupt but his masters in the United States are corrupt to the core and will use Zelinski for their own nefarious purposes until the cows come home!

[Smokin Joe]

If, and I do believe this, that Zelensky wants Ukraine to remain sovereign and not a Russian vassal state, He'd likely dance with the Devil to keep the Russians out.
If he's dealing with Biden, there is corruption built in. It does not mean Zelensky is getting rich off of this (he was already rich when the Russians invaded), but Biden and those in his network from the days of his Vice Presidency likely are siphoning off a lot.

Which is why so many of us wanted materiel support, and not very much cash.

Between the Holodomor, the mining waste and complexes contaminated like Zhovti Vody, and still not dealt with (likely some Oligarch, somewhere, is keeping it that way), the Ukrainians have plenty of reasons for not wanting Soviet Russian control of the region.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't think Zelinski himself is all that corrupt but his masters in the United States are corrupt to the core and will use Zelinski for their own nefarious purposes until the cows come home!

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

[Hoodat]

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

B-I-N-G-O

[Kamaji]

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

[Bigun]

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

  Which is why we should insist that the pot contain very little $$$.

[Hoodat]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

Double B-I-N-G-O

[Smokin Joe]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

That is my belief, that the American corruption is an order or orders of magnitude greater than that on the receiving end.

The weapons being sent, even from eastern European nations, have been held up when Biden could use the US as an intermediary, 'pledges' are front page news, but deliveries lag considerably, and then they are weapons or systems that were often outmoded (M113-vietnam era), and understandably downgraded from the latest block builds in the US. But all this is being delivered at top dollar, and the older US systems are not being replaced here with new ones yet. Yet that 'money' is being budget and sent, where?

[Bigun]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

  I believe that absolutely!

[Cyber Liberty]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

I think there is a lot of corruption.  I am not sufficiently aware of life in Ukraine, but there is certainly a lot in the USA.  At least, in my little corner of it.

[sneakypete]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

Believe what you want.

 

@libertybele

Spoken like  a true surrender  monkey.

[sneakypete]

Or in your case, believe what you 'feel' with zero regard for whether or not it is true.

@libertybele

@Hoodat

She is going to  believe whatever it is she HAS to believe to avoid  going  to  war.

If the Soviets were to demand we surrender or they would attack,she would be screaming "We need to surrender!"

Some people are  just born that way.

[sneakypete]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

@Kamaji

Yes,and it is NOT just related to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine. It is everywhere the Dims and their RINO buddies stick their noses into anything. The war in Ukraine is seen by them as just one more chance to steal money and make deals with the military-industrial complex  so they get a cut of every dollar spent.

[Bigun]

@Kamaji

Yes,and it is NOT just related to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine. It is everywhere the Dims and their RINO buddies stick their noses into anything. The war in Ukraine is seen by them as just one more chance to steal money and make deals with the military-industrial complex  so they get a cut of every dollar spent.

 

[Smokin Joe]

@Kamaji

Yes,and it is NOT just related to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine. It is everywhere the Dims and their RINO buddies stick their noses into anything. The war in Ukraine is seen by them as just one more chance to steal money and make deals with the military-industrial complex  so they get a cut of every dollar spent.

Yup. Even a tenth of a percent of a billion dollars is a million bucks. The more money moving, the more to be skimmed.

[Kamaji]

Obliterated wasteland where not even one building still stands is reclaimed by Ukraine as it reveals it has retaken less than a square mile around Bakhmut in a week

Ukraine's military is painstakingly recovering territory around the embattled city of Bakhmut metre-by-metre
But little more than rubble remains where apartment blocks, offices, town halls and factories once stood

By DAVID AVERRE
18 September 2023

The sheer devastation of the war in Ukraine has been laid bare in desolate new images of towns recently recaptured from Russian occupiers by Kyiv's forces.

The city of Bakhmut and its satellite towns in the eastern Donetsk region have long been the epicentre of some of the war's bloodiest conflicts, with months of attrition and World War One-style trench warfare resulting in thousands of deaths on both sides - and Russia's eventual capture of Bakhmut in May.

Now Ukraine's military is painstakingly recovering its territory around the former industrial city metre-by-metre, with Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar announcing over the weekend her troops had pushed Moscow's forces out of the villages of Andriivka and Klishchiivka.

Both cities lie on higher ground and their capture could set the stage for reasserting control over the pivotal city.

But where apartment blocks, offices, town halls and factories once stood, little more than piles of rubble, the charred remains of trees and twisted hunks of burnt-out armoured cars remain.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12531163/Obliterated-wasteland-not-one-building-stands-reclaimed-Ukraine-reveals-retaken-square-mile-Bakhmut-week.html

[Timber Rattler]

Kyiv dismisses 7 top defense officials; Zelensky to address U.N., Congress

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/18/russia-ukraine-war-news/

Ukraine’s cabinet dismissed Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar from her post, along with six other top officials in the Defense Ministry, according to an update Monday shared on Telegram. The announcement comes after President Volodymyr Zelensky ousted defense chief Oleksii Reznikov this month, as the ministry grappled with corruption claims.

[sneakypete]

Obliterated wasteland where not even one building still stands is reclaimed by Ukraine as it reveals it has retaken less than a square mile around Bakhmut in a week

Ukraine's military is painstakingly recovering territory around the embattled city of Bakhmut metre-by-metre
But little more than rubble remains where apartment blocks, offices, town halls and factories once stood

By DAVID AVERRE
18 September 2023

The sheer devastation of the war in Ukraine has been laid bare in desolate new images of towns recently recaptured from Russian occupiers by Kyiv's forces.

The city of Bakhmut and its satellite towns in the eastern Donetsk region have long been the epicentre of some of the war's bloodiest conflicts, with months of attrition and World War One-style trench warfare resulting in thousands of deaths on both sides - and Russia's eventual capture of Bakhmut in May.

Now Ukraine's military is painstakingly recovering its territory around the former industrial city metre-by-metre, with Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar announcing over the weekend her troops had pushed Moscow's forces out of the villages of Andriivka and Klishchiivka.

Both cities lie on higher ground and their capture could set the stage for reasserting control over the pivotal city.

But where apartment blocks, offices, town halls and factories once stood, little more than piles of rubble, the charred remains of trees and twisted hunks of burnt-out armoured cars remain.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12531163/Obliterated-wasteland-not-one-building-stands-reclaimed-Ukraine-reveals-retaken-square-mile-Bakhmut-week.html

@Kamaji

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

Ukrainians and her western allies that support her with weapons,ammo,medical care,etc,etc,etc,are the ones at fault for the Soviets invading Ukraine,taking control of cities,and then fighting in those cities until they are turned into rubble?

AND.......,ONLY Ukraine and the west are at fault because the Soviets are only doing what Soviets do?

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

Ukrainians and her western allies that support her with weapons,ammo,medical care,etc,etc,etc,are the ones at fault for the Soviets invading Ukraine,taking control of cities,and then fighting in those cities until they are turned into rubble?

AND.......,ONLY Ukraine and the west are at fault because the Soviets are only doing what Soviets do?

Don't know where you got that from what I posted.

[PeteS in CA]

WRT the Bakhmut area, it's been a center of fighting since the Russians started assaulting it some 13 months ago.

[PeteS in CA]

Don't know where you got that from what I posted.

@Kamaji, I think @sneakypete has misunderstood your POV totally. He did similarly with me a day or two ago.

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji, I think @sneakypete has misunderstood your POV totally. He did similarly with me a day or two ago.

[kevindavis007]

We shall see:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1704007045874102370

[DB]

Bad translation?

[240B]

New war in Armenia

[catfish1957]

This is for all of you Zellinskyyyyyyyyy fans out there, and from today's speech at the U.N.  Start at about the 9:26 mark, and watch how he lectures about meeting  climate change objectives.  No enviro-whacko will ever be my ally.  How so many Briefer buys his bullshit, is beyond me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

[libertybele]

This is for all of you Zellinskyyyyyyyyy fans out there, and from today's speech at the U.N.  Start at about the 9:26 mark, and watch how he lectures about meeting  climate change objectives.  No enviro-whacko will ever be my ally.  How any Briefer buys his bullshit, is beyond me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

 

[catfish1957]

This is for all of you Zellinskyyyyyyyyy fans out there, and from today's speech at the U.N.  Start at about the 9:26 mark, and watch how he lectures about meeting  climate change objectives.  No enviro-whacko will ever be my ally.  How any Briefer buys his bullshit, is beyond me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

Bump, and does someone want to defend Zellniskyyyyyyyyyy here on this one?

[Kamaji]

This is for all of you Zellinskyyyyyyyyy fans out there, and from today's speech at the U.N.  Start at about the 9:26 mark, and watch how he lectures about meeting  climate change objectives.  No enviro-whacko will ever be my ally.  How any Briefer buys his bullshit, is beyond me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

It’s called playing to the audience, and it’s part of the Western/American corruption Zelenskyy has to deal with in order to obtain the weapons he needs to continue fighting against the Russian orcs.

If you don’t like it, then you should be taking it up with your own leaders - Joe Biden and the democrats - first.  They’re the ones who are corrupt and who demand obeisance to the eco-fascism as part of the quid pro quo for the weapons Ukraine needs for its existence. 

Oy vey. One would have thought that politics 101 was at least understood on a political discussion board.

But, I suppose, any excuse, no matter how flimsy, to continue believing in Putin. 

[ScottinVA]

This is for all of you Zellinskyyyyyyyyy fans out there, and from today's speech at the U.N.  Start at about the 9:26 mark, and watch how he lectures about meeting  climate change objectives.  No enviro-whacko will ever be my ally.  How any Briefer buys his bullshit, is beyond me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

I couldn’t give two shits about Zelensky and whatever his stances on global warming are.  What matters is aiding the Ukrainian people who detest the prospect of spending yet another generation under the Russian jackboot.  Any real conservative would stand with the Ukrainians and their courageous fight against those filthy orcs.

Anyone who “thinks” that shrunken little KGB thug in the Kremlin is somehow a white-hatted good guy isn’t employing brain cells.  He would happily obliterate the US and its allies if he believed he could get away with it.  A world with a dead Vladimir Putin and a dismembered, disarmed Russia would be a better world indeed.

[catfish1957]

It’s called playing to the audience, and it’s part of the Western/American corruption Zelenskyy has to deal with in order to obtain the weapons he needs to continue fighting against the Russian orcs.

If you don’t like it, then you should be taking it up with your own leaders - Joe Biden and the democrats - first.  They’re the ones who are corrupt and who demand obeisance to the eco-fascism as part of the quid pro quo for the weapons Ukraine needs for its existence. 

Oy vey. One would have thought that politics 101 was at least understood on a political discussion board.

But, I suppose, any excuse, no matter how flimsy, to continue believing in Putin.

Please stop with this SHIT.  I said f'n zero that was pro-Putin. Never have  He's a despicable piece of shit,and I wish someone would off him 

Some of you folks  just have no concept that both of these f'ers are screwing us. It's kind of the same bullshit binary argument that permeates a lot of our political discussions.  You are just not genuine enough to admit it,

[catfish1957]

I couldn’t give two shits about Zelensky and "1"whatever his stances on global warming are.  What matters is aiding the Ukrainian people who detest the prospect of spending yet another generation under the Russian jackboot.  Any real conservative would stand with the Ukrainians and their courageous fight against those filthy orcs.

"2"Anyone who “thinks” that shrunken little KGB thug in the Kremlin is somehow a white-hatted good guy isn’t employing brain cells.  He would happily obliterate the US and its allies if he believed he could get away with it.  A world with a dead Vladimir Putin and a dismembered, disarmed Russia would be a better world indeed.

"1" I almost stopped right there and realized your level of naivetity.  Global Warming/Climate Change zealots and enviro-whackos are this world's biggest threat.  Funny how a really decent snake oil salesman can cause so many to  ditch their principals and become allies with the like of Thunberg, Biden, Kerry, and Trudeau.  You are playing into their hands.

"2" Show me, I mean absolutely show me, where I am a supporter of Putin, in my entire posting history.  I dare you.  Otherwise....retract!!!!

Overall, you are good guy, but everyone once in a while, I got to speak up on our fleecing by Eastern European grifters. 
As a taxpayer, I am sick as hell of it.

[catfish1957]

Bump...to out this left leaning enviro-whacko.  Start at 9:26 for his true leanings.

No conservative buys into this scam.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

[catfish1957]

Transcript of Zellenskyyy's  radical positions on Climate change:

"Thank God, people have not yet learned to use climate as a weapon. Even though humanity is failing on its climate policy objectives – this means that extreme weather will still impact the normal global life and some evil state will also weaponize its outcomes. And when people in the streets of New York and other cities of the world went out on climate protest – we all have seen them… And when people in Morocco and Libya and other countries die as a result of natural disasters… And when islands and countries disappear under water… And when tornados and deserts are spreading into new territories… And when all of this is happening one unnatural disaster in Moscow decided to launch a big war and kill tens of thousands of people.

We must act united – to defeat the aggressor and focus all our capabilities and energy on addressing these challenges."

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3763502-volodymyr-zelenskys-speech-at-un-general-assembly-full-text.html

[Smokin Joe]

Please stop with this SHIT.  I said f'n zero that was pro-Putin. Never have  He's a despicable piece of shit,and I wish someone would off him 

Some of you folks  just have no concept that both of these f'ers are screwing us. It's kind of the same bullshit binary argument that permeates a lot of our political discussions.  You are just not genuine enough to admit it,

Maybe both are, but the one screwing us hardest lives at 1600 PA Ave., Washington, D.C.

[catfish1957]

Maybe both are, but the one screwing us hardest lives at 1600 PA Ave., Washington, D.C.

Thumbs up, there for sure.  Pedo Joe is the imminent threat.  And he is "all in" for Zellinsky.

[kevindavis007]

Bump...to out this left leaning enviro-whacko.  Start at 9:26 for his true leanings.

No conservative buys into this scam.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

No conservative should be praising the Confederate States of America.  A true conservative should be happy that we are sending money to weaken Russia. 

[Kamaji]

Please stop with this SHIT.  I said f'n zero that was pro-Putin. Never have  He's a despicable piece of shit,and I wish someone would off him 

Some of you folks  just have no concept that both of these f'ers are screwing us. It's kind of the same bullshit binary argument that permeates a lot of our political discussions.  You are just not genuine enough to admit it,

Screwing us how?  To the extent that money is being siphoned off, that's good old fashioned American corruption, not Ukraine, because they aren't getting a whole lot of cash. 

[Kamaji]

Thumbs up, there for sure.  Pedo Joe is the imminent threat.  And he is "all in" for Zellinsky.

And even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.

[catfish1957]

Screwing us how?  To the extent that money is being siphoned off, that's good old fashioned American corruption, not Ukraine, because they aren't getting a whole lot of cash.

Wow, tell that to the fire victims of Lahaina, East Palastine, Ohio, victims of Hurricane Idalia, and basically all of the rest us who are suffering under a southern invasion from Mexico.  Tell us again, why Zellinskigrift is more deserving of our tax dollars than us.

Jumping the shark big time, aren't you Kam?

[Kamaji]

Wow, tell that to the fire victims of Lahaina, East Palastine, Ohio, victims of Hurricane Idalia, and basically all of the rest us who are suffering under a southern invasion from Mexico.  Tell us again, why Zellinskigrift is more deserving of our tax dollars than us.

Jumping the shark big time, aren't you Kam?

Take it up with the corrupt American regime.

Furthermore, I'm not entirely sure what good howitzers, artillery rounds, or tanks would go in Ohio, or any other domestic disaster.  After all, that is what Ukraine has been getting - armaments, not dollars.

Or maybe one would prefer that all those American weapons be sold on the world arms markets - to the highest bidders, of course - in order to reduce them to cash, which after corrupt Americans take 20% or 30%, could be spent on left-wing NGOs to "help" in those locations?

[catfish1957]

No conservative should be praising the Confederate States of America.  A true conservative should be happy that we are sending money to weaken Russia.

That may be the one most freaking silliest thing I have ever heard you say at TBR.   Conservatives sending tax money to another near dicatator?  That's a conservative tenant nowadays?  Say what just said 3 times in succession, and realize how f'n funny you sound.

And the more silly comment about the CSA?  Yeah, we lost.....   But outside the abhorant slavery issue, just what did the C.S.A. get wrong?  We'd be 10000% better off without a super on-steroid government money wasting machine that we have right now.  I bet a state focused and empowered government wouldn't be $33T in debt right now either.