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« Reply #1325 on: August 23, 2023, 04:24:29 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 23, 2023, 02:23:48 am
Robotyne liberated.
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The wedge is being hammered deeper toward the Black Sea shore. Contrary to Trust-Fund Enviro-Lawyer's hope.
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« Reply #1326 on: August 23, 2023, 04:31:38 pm »
Whether the drone attack operators are infiltrated Ukrainians or Russians disaffected with Putin's war of (attempted) conquest, Ukraine is wisely leaving the Russians uncertain. Uncertainty is a weapon in war.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1327 on: August 23, 2023, 04:32:19 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 23, 2023, 04:31:38 pm
Whether the drone attack operators are infiltrated Ukrainians or Russians disaffected with Putin's war of (attempted) conquest, Ukraine is wisely leaving the Russians uncertain. Uncertainty is a weapon in war.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1328 on: August 23, 2023, 05:39:46 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 23, 2023, 04:24:29 pm
Quote from: Hoodat on August 23, 2023, 02:23:48 am
Robotyne liberated.
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The wedge is being hammered deeper toward the Black Sea shore. Contrary to Trust-Fund Enviro-Lawyer's hope.

In this part of Zaporizhia, the Russians have 3 major lines of defense. In capturing Robotyne - heretofore not a household name in most of the world - Ukraine penetrated the first line of defense. It's a salient, which could be vulnerable to being pinched off, trapping Ukrainian forces in a pocket. What Ukraine is doing, and will continue to do, is expand the width, the flanks, of the salient. Penetrating that first defense line means the Ukrainians can use those lines of trenches for flank assaults on the Russians operating in those trenches, thus expanding the salient into a wedge.

The Ukrainians will be attempting to rinse-and-repeat, attacking the second line, penetrating it, and turning trenches' flanks. At some point, Russian forces may notice that the Black Sea is just a few 10s of miles away (Robotyne is around 70 miles north of the Black Sea) and change their tactics (or boogie). Reality is shaping up very different from what Trust-Fund Enviro-Lawyer's hopes, but RFK Jr.'s relationship with reality seems tenuous in multiple ways.
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« Reply #1329 on: August 23, 2023, 05:42:19 pm »
Ten killed in private jet crash north of Moscow - Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on passenger list'


https://news.sky.com/story/ten-killed-in-private-jet-crash-north-of-moscow-wagner-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-on-passenger-list-12946006?fbclid=IwAR1kblimjop889W7txh-K5zwqhOUvgwdCw8vD-VOGaDXYuGuo2Q5LXmVBW0#:~:text=Ten%20people%20have%20been%20killed,was%20on%20the%20passenger%20list

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Seven passengers and three crew were on board the Embraer aircraft, which was en route from Moscow to St Petersburg, TASS news agency reported.

"An investigation has been launched into the Embraer plane crash that occurred tonight in the Tver region. According to the passenger list, among them is the name and surname of Yevgeny Prigozhin," Rosaviatsia said.

Unconfirmed media reports suggest the business jet belonged to Prigozhin, but it was not immediately clear if he had boarded the flight.

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Shot down?

https://rumble.com/v3aw0ix-russia-just-shot-down-a-private-jet-belonging-to-prigozhin-over-the-tver-re.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1330 on: August 23, 2023, 06:41:40 pm »
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« Reply #1331 on: August 23, 2023, 07:02:38 pm »
Explosion hits Moscow skyscraper in kamikaze drone attack on Russian capital's elite financial and government zone

Ukraine staged new kamikaze drone attack on Moscow's skyscraper district
High-rise building was hit by one of three military drones to target city overnight

By WILL STEWART
23 August 2023

Ukraine staged a new kamikaze drone attack on Moscow's skyscraper district in the early hours of this morning, triggering a huge explosion that sent debris crashing to the ground.

Dramatic video shows the moment the blast ripped through the new One Tower, which is under construction in the prestigious business and government zone of Moscow City around three miles from the Kremlin.

The high-rise was hit by one of three military UAVs to target Moscow overnight, with the impact of the explosion sending pieces of concrete and glass flying.

Several windows were broken in two buildings nearby following the drone attack, Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin said, adding there were no casualties.

It was the sixth consecutive day that drones were aimed at Moscow during the nearly 18 month conflict, now bogged down as Ukraine's troops fight a grinding counteroffensive.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12435761/Explosion-hits-Moscow-skyscraper-kamikaze-drone-attack-Russian-capitals-elite-financial-government-zone.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1332 on: August 23, 2023, 07:46:21 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on August 23, 2023, 05:42:19 pm
Ten killed in private jet crash north of Moscow - Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on passenger list'

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Anybody surprised?

Smart enough to stay away from windows, not smart enough to stay off of airplanes.
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« Reply #1333 on: August 23, 2023, 08:21:39 pm »
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« Reply #1334 on: August 23, 2023, 09:41:43 pm »
If this keeps up,it won't be long  before there will be Corporals commanding the Soviet forces.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1335 on: August 23, 2023, 09:45:11 pm »
Quote from: sneakypete on August 23, 2023, 09:41:43 pm
If this keeps up,it won't be long  before there will be Corporals commanding the Soviet forces.
Careful, there.
One of those corporals ran Germany for a while, and that was a real mess by the time he was out...
(Thank God it wasn't a sergeant, or he might have been a lot more effective)
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« Reply #1336 on: August 23, 2023, 09:45:24 pm »
The Mi-8 is the Soviet/Russia analog to the UH-1, very upgradeable and easily specialized for various functions. The Mi-8 AMTSh is a transport (men or cargo) version. Stories vary widely, from the pilot got lost, to the pilot defected.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1337 on: August 23, 2023, 09:53:51 pm »
Quote from: Ghost Bear on August 23, 2023, 07:46:21 pm
Smart enough to stay away from windows, not smart enough to stay off of airplanes.
If I wanted to disappear to get Putin and his goons off my back, I would be on that passenger list too.
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« Reply #1338 on: August 23, 2023, 10:54:24 pm »
Prigozhin was shot while being poisoned falling out of window onto exploding bomb.
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« Reply #1339 on: August 24, 2023, 03:42:26 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1340 on: August 24, 2023, 06:09:36 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1341 on: August 24, 2023, 11:14:22 am »
A tall building wasn't high enough for Putin to satisfactorily dispose of Prigozhin and Utkin (if in fact that's what happened, and they didn't engineer their own "deaths" to just disappear).
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« Reply #1342 on: August 24, 2023, 04:13:56 pm »
Take this with an appropriate grain of salt, but:

Ukraine: We raised our flag on Crimea today

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/08/24/ukraine-we-raised-our-flag-on-crimea-today-n573402

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For Ukraine’s Independence Day celebration, Volodymyr Zelensky brought some real fireworks right to the heart of Russia’s occupation. Officials in Kyiv announced this morning that they have landed forces on the western shores of Crimea, raised the Ukranian flag, and have engaged and destroyed Russian forces near two settlements.

No word yet from Russia, but this would be bad news indeed for Vladimir Putin if this beachhead succeeds. If it is a beachhead, that is:

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Special forces landed on the western shore of Crimea, near the settlements of Olenivka and Mayak, in a joint operation with the country’s Navy, according to Ukrainian Defense Intelligence.

“While performing the task, Ukrainian defenders clashed with the occupier’s units. As a result, the enemy suffered losses among its personnel and destroyed enemy equipment,” the intelligence agency said.

While they were there, the Ukrainian unit also raised the national flag, it added.

This was a landing on a peninsula of the Crimean Peninsula. It could fizzle, it could be just a symbolic raid, or it could be the start of the start of liberating Crimea from Russian occupiers.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1343 on: August 24, 2023, 04:18:38 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 24, 2023, 04:13:56 pm

This was a landing on a peninsula of the Crimean Peninsula. It could fizzle, it could be just a symbolic raid, or it could be the start of the start of liberating Crimea from Russian occupiers.

Losing already conquered Crimea would be the end of Pootin.

Not sure this is true or do-able considering the resources, geography, and in essence that which is at stake.
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« Reply #1344 on: August 24, 2023, 04:54:23 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 24, 2023, 04:13:56 pm
Take this with an appropriate grain of salt, but:

Ukraine: We raised our flag on Crimea today

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/08/24/ukraine-we-raised-our-flag-on-crimea-today-n573402


This was a landing on a peninsula of the Crimean Peninsula. It could fizzle, it could be just a symbolic raid, or it could be the start of the start of liberating Crimea from Russian occupiers.


I hope this is the start of liberating Crimea, but I'm leaning toward it being just a symbolic raid. 
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1345 on: August 24, 2023, 04:57:28 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on August 24, 2023, 04:54:23 pm

I hope this is the start of liberating Crimea, but I'm leaning toward it being just a symbolic raid. 

It was almost certainly symbolic, and intended mostly to rile up the Orcs.
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« Reply #1346 on: August 24, 2023, 05:46:11 pm »
For the first time in Russian history, a military helicopter with a crew and weapons flew in and surrendered to Ukraine, 300 km deep into Ukraine along a prearranged route
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« Reply #1347 on: August 24, 2023, 05:49:50 pm »
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It was almost certainly symbolic, and intended mostly to rile up the Orcs.
This will confuse the Russians. Russia has concentrated all forces to the South and East, believing Crimea to be a settled issue.
If Russian now has to shift forces South to defend Crimea, it will wreck all their current military plans.
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« Reply #1348 on: August 24, 2023, 06:04:30 pm »
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This will confuse the Russians. Russia has concentrated all forces to the South and East, believing Crimea to be a settled issue.
If Russian now has to shift forces South to defend Crimea, it will wreck all their current military plans.

Whether symbolic or opening a new front, it will thin Russian forces and complicate Russian logistics (something in which Russia is not notably excellent). Troops and supplies that are needed in the Zaporizhia and Donetsk fronts would be diverted to Crimea's west coast. Odessa is only a few 10s of miles farther from this peninsula than is Sevastopol, and the route from Sevastopol to the peninsula would be toward Ukrainian missiles and artillery.
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« Reply #1349 on: August 24, 2023, 06:26:29 pm »
Grabs Popcorn (hoping it won't be such a disappointment as last time)...
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